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Yara Assad

Can you get unemployment if you get fired from your job in Washington?

My supervisor terminated me last Friday after what they called 'performance issues' but I think it was really because I complained about unsafe working conditions at our warehouse. I've been working there for almost 2 years and never had any write-ups before this. Can I still file for unemployment benefits through Washington ESD if I was fired? I'm really stressed about paying rent next month and need to know if I should even bother applying or if being fired automatically disqualifies you.

You can absolutely get unemployment benefits even if you were fired, but it depends on WHY you were fired. Washington ESD looks at whether it was 'misconduct' or not. Performance issues usually don't count as misconduct unless you were deliberately not doing your job. If it was just that you couldn't meet their standards or they were downsizing, you should qualify.

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That's reassuring! They never said I was being deliberately bad at my job, just that my numbers weren't where they wanted them. Should I mention that when I file?

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Yes, definitely be honest about the circumstances when you file your claim. Document everything you remember about the firing.

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I got fired for attendance issues last year and still got approved for benefits. The key thing is that it wasn't willful misconduct. Being late because your car broke down is different than just not showing up because you don't feel like it.

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How long did it take for your claim to get approved? I'm worried about the adjudication process taking forever.

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Mine took about 3 weeks because they had to investigate, but it worked out fine in the end.

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File your claim ASAP regardless. Even if you're not sure you qualify, it's better to get the process started. Washington ESD will investigate and make the determination. If your employer contests it, there will be an adjudication process where both sides can present their case.

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What happens during adjudication? Do I need to prove anything specific?

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They'll review the separation reason, may contact your employer, and possibly interview you by phone. Just be honest about what happened.

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Yes, you can potentially get unemployment benefits even if you were fired, but it depends on the reason. Washington ESD will determine if you were fired for misconduct or just general performance issues. Performance problems usually don't disqualify you unless there was willful misconduct involved.

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That's reassuring to hear. They said it was performance but I honestly think they just wanted to get rid of me because I asked about overtime pay.

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definitely file anyway, worst case they can deny it but you might as well try

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Yes, you can absolutely get unemployment if you're fired in Washington! The key is whether you were fired for 'misconduct' or not. Performance issues usually don't count as misconduct unless you were deliberately not doing your job. If they fired you for complaining about safety issues, that actually might be wrongful termination and you'd definitely qualify for UI benefits.

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That's reassuring to hear. How do I prove it wasn't misconduct? I don't have any documentation about the safety complaints I made.

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You'll need to document everything you remember - dates, who you talked to, what safety issues you reported. Washington ESD will investigate and contact your employer for their side too.

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You can definitely apply for unemployment even if you were fired! The key thing Washington ESD looks at is whether you were terminated for 'misconduct.' Performance issues usually don't count as misconduct unless it was willful or deliberate. Questioning safety concerns definitely shouldn't disqualify you - that's actually protected in most cases.

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That's a relief to hear. So I should definitely file a claim then? How long does it usually take for them to decide?

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Yes, file as soon as possible! The decision process varies but typically takes 2-4 weeks. They'll contact both you and your former employer to get both sides of the story.

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Washington ESD distinguishes between being fired 'for cause' versus other reasons. If your employer claims misconduct, they need to prove it was willful and substantial. Performance issues, personality conflicts, or good faith safety concerns rarely qualify as misconduct. File your claim and let them investigate.

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What exactly counts as misconduct then? I'm worried about applying because I was late a few times.

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Misconduct has to be deliberate violation of employer rules or standards. Occasional tardiness usually isn't enough unless it was excessive and you ignored warnings.

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Yes, you can potentially get unemployment benefits even if you were fired! Washington ESD looks at whether you were terminated for 'misconduct' or not. Performance issues usually don't count as misconduct unless you were willfully ignoring job duties or company policies. You should definitely apply - the worst they can say is no, but you might be surprised.

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That's encouraging! I was worried they'd automatically deny anyone who got fired. What exactly counts as misconduct then?

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Misconduct typically means things like stealing, intentionally violating safety rules, or repeatedly refusing to follow instructions after warnings. Poor performance due to lack of skills or training usually doesn't qualify as misconduct.

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If you're having trouble getting through to Washington ESD to check on your claim status or have questions about the process, I found this service called Claimyr that helps you actually reach an agent. They have a website at claimyr.com and there's a demo video at https://youtu.be/7DieNd3C7zQ. I used it when my claim was stuck in adjudication and finally got to talk to someone who could explain what was happening.

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Is that legit? I've been trying to call Washington ESD for weeks and just get busy signals.

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Yeah it's real, they basically call on your behalf and get you connected to an actual person. Saved me a lot of frustration.

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Yes, you can potentially get unemployment even if you were fired, but it depends on the reason. Washington ESD will investigate whether it was misconduct or just performance/business reasons. If it was misconduct (like stealing, fighting, no-showing repeatedly), you'll likely be disqualified. But poor performance or personality conflicts usually don't disqualify you.

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That's a relief to hear. It wasn't anything like stealing or fighting, just them saying I wasn't meeting sales targets consistently.

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Performance issues are usually not considered misconduct under Washington state law. You should definitely file your claim.

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File your unemployment claim as soon as possible! The sooner you apply, the sooner your benefits can start if approved. Washington ESD will contact both you and your former employer to get both sides of the story during the adjudication process. Don't let fear stop you from applying - the worst they can do is say no.

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I was planning to wait until I heard back from some job applications, but you're right, I should just file now.

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Definitely don't wait! Even if you find a job quickly, having that safety net application in progress is important.

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Yes, you can definitely get unemployment benefits in Washington if you're fired, but it depends WHY you were fired. If it was for misconduct (like stealing, violence, repeatedly violating company policy after warnings), then you'd be disqualified. But if it was for performance issues, lack of work, or other non-misconduct reasons, you should be eligible. File your claim right away - Washington ESD will investigate and make the determination.

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That's really helpful, thank you! They said it was performance but I never got any formal write-ups or warnings. Should I mention that when I file?

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Absolutely mention that. Document everything - lack of progressive discipline, the timing with your HR complaint, any witnesses. Washington ESD will contact your employer for their side too.

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You should absolutely file for unemployment benefits. The key distinction Washington ESD makes is between being fired for misconduct versus being fired for inability to do the job. If it was performance-related and not deliberate misconduct, you'll likely qualify. Make sure to file your claim as soon as possible since there's a waiting period.

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How long does the whole process take? I need to know when I might start getting payments.

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Usually takes 2-3 weeks for processing if there are no issues. Since you were fired, your claim might go into adjudication where they investigate the circumstances.

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Mine took forever to get through adjudication when I got fired. Couldn't reach anyone at Washington ESD for weeks.

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File immediately! Even if your employer contests it, you should still apply right away. The worst they can do is say no, but if you wait too long you'll lose out on benefits you might be entitled to. I got fired from my last job for 'attitude problems' (aka standing up for myself) and still got approved for unemployment.

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Did Washington ESD make you wait longer since your employer probably fought it?

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It took about 6 weeks total because it went to adjudication, but I eventually got all my back pay too.

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Getting fired doesn't automatically disqualify you from unemployment benefits in Washington. It depends on WHY you were fired. If it was for misconduct, then yes, you'd be disqualified. But if it was for performance issues, lack of work, or other reasons that aren't misconduct, you should be eligible. You should definitely apply - let Washington ESD make the determination.

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That's really helpful, thank you! What exactly counts as 'misconduct' though? I was never written up or anything, they just said my productivity wasn't meeting standards.

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Misconduct usually means willful violations of company policy, like stealing, being drunk at work, or repeatedly ignoring direct orders. Poor performance alone typically isn't misconduct unless you were deliberately not doing your job.

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I got fired last year and still got benefits. The key is being honest on your application. Don't lie about being fired - Washington ESD will find out anyway when they contact your employer. Just explain your side of the story clearly.

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Did they make you wait longer to get approved since you were fired instead of laid off?

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Mine took about 3 weeks for the adjudication process, but that's pretty normal from what I've heard.

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3 weeks?? Mine's been in adjudication for 6 weeks now and I can't get through to anyone at Washington ESD to check on it.

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I got fired from my warehouse job 6 months ago for missing too many days (I was having car troubles) and Washington ESD still approved my claim. They said it wasn't misconduct because I wasn't intentionally trying to hurt the company. You should apply right away - don't wait!

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Wow, that gives me hope! Did you have to go through any kind of appeal process or did they approve it right away?

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It took about 3 weeks for them to make a decision. They called my old employer and asked them questions about why I was fired, then they approved my claim. The waiting was stressful but worth it.

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I was in almost the exact same situation 6 months ago - got fired for "poor performance" from a customer service job. Washington ESD approved my claim after about 3 weeks of adjudication. The key is being honest about what happened but also explaining your side. If you complained about scheduling issues, that might have been retaliation which could actually work in your favor.

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Did you have any documentation about the scheduling complaints you made? I only talked to my manager verbally about it.

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I had some text messages, but even verbal complaints can help your case. Just be prepared to explain the timeline of when you complained versus when you were fired.

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I've been through this process and honestly the hardest part was actually getting through to someone at Washington ESD to check on my claim status during adjudication. If you file and they need to investigate, you might want to try Claimyr - it's a service that helps you actually reach ESD agents by phone. There's a demo video at https://youtu.be/7DieNd3C7zQ that shows how it works. Saved me hours of calling and getting hung up on.

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Never heard of Claimyr before. Does it actually work or is it just another service trying to make money off desperate people?

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I was skeptical too but it actually got me through to someone same day I used it. Check out claimyr.com - they explain how it works better than I can.

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I'll definitely look into that if my claim gets stuck in adjudication. Thanks for the tip!

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Getting through to Washington ESD to check on your claim status or ask questions can be really frustrating though. I spent weeks trying to call and either got busy signals or hung up on after waiting for hours. Someone on here told me about Claimyr (claimyr.com) which actually got me connected to a real person at Washington ESD in like 20 minutes. They have a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/7DieNd3C7zQ. Super helpful when you need to talk to someone about your specific situation.

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Is that like a third party service? How does it work exactly?

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Yeah it's a service that helps you get through the phone lines to Washington ESD. They basically handle the calling and waiting for you, then connect you when an agent is available.

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I've heard of that too, might be worth trying if you can't get through the normal way.

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I was in a similar situation last year - got fired for 'attitude problems' when I complained about unsafe working conditions. Washington ESD approved my claim after investigating. The employer tried to fight it but couldn't prove I did anything wrong. Definitely apply!

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How long did the investigation take in your case? I'm stressed about paying bills while this gets sorted out.

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About 3 weeks total. The hardest part was actually getting through to Washington ESD when I had questions. I ended up using this service called Claimyr that helped me reach an agent quickly - saved me hours of calling. Check out claimyr.com if you need to talk to someone.

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The unemployment system in Washington actually leans toward helping workers, not employers. They know that most firings aren't for serious misconduct. When you file your claim, just answer all questions honestly and provide any documentation you have about your work performance or the issues that led to your termination.

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That makes me feel better. I was worried they'd automatically side with the employer.

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Nope, Washington ESD is pretty fair about investigating both sides. They've seen every excuse in the book from employers trying to avoid paying unemployment taxes.

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The misconduct standard in Washington is pretty high. They have to prove you willfully violated company policy or were grossly negligent. 'Performance issues' usually means they couldn't prove misconduct, so you should be fine. Make sure when you file that you explain your side of the story clearly in the application.

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This is exactly right. I work in HR and we rarely even bother contesting unemployment claims for performance terminations because it's so hard to prove misconduct.

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That makes me feel a lot better. I was worried I'd automatically be denied.

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ugh the whole system is so stressful!! I got fired 3 months ago and STILL waiting on my adjudication to be resolved. Washington ESD is so backed up it's ridiculous. But definitely file anyway because even if it takes forever at least you might get something eventually.

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3 months?? That's insane. Have you tried calling them?

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I've called probably 200 times and either get busy signal or they hang up after being on hold for hours. It's a nightmare.

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This is exactly why I mentioned Claimyr earlier - it's designed to deal with those exact calling problems. Might be worth trying after 3 months of no progress.

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ugh the whole system is so confusing! I got fired too and I have no idea if they're going to contest my claim or not. My boss was pretty mad when I left but it wasn't really my fault that I couldn't learn their computer system fast enough

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That sounds like it should qualify as job-related rather than misconduct. Did they provide adequate training?

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not really, they basically threw me on the floor after like one day of training and expected me to figure it out

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The key thing is to apply immediately and be completely honest about what happened. When Washington ESD reviews your claim, they'll contact your former employer to get their side of the story. If there's a discrepancy between what you say and what your employer says, it can complicate things. Document everything you can remember about your termination.

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Should I mention that I feel like they didn't train me properly? Or just stick to the facts about being fired for performance?

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Definitely mention the lack of training - that's relevant to whether your performance issues were your fault or the employer's fault. Washington ESD considers whether you had the tools and knowledge to succeed.

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Here's the deal with Washington unemployment law: You're eligible if you're unemployed through no fault of your own. Being fired for misconduct disqualifies you, but misconduct is defined pretty narrowly - it has to be willful or wanton disregard of employer interests. Poor performance, inability to do the job, personality conflicts, or even single instances of poor judgment usually don't rise to the level of misconduct that would disqualify you.

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This is exactly what I needed to know. It definitely wasn't misconduct by that definition. How long does the whole process usually take?

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If your employer doesn't contest it, you could see benefits in 2-3 weeks. If they do contest, expect adjudication to take 4-6 weeks or more.

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You should apply right away! Even if they challenge it, you can appeal. I got fired from my retail job last year for 'attendance issues' (even though I had legitimate medical reasons) and I still got approved for benefits after the initial review.

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How long did the whole process take? I'm worried about how I'll pay bills while waiting for a decision.

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It took about 3 weeks total, but I had to go through adjudication because my employer contested it. The key is to apply immediately and keep filing your weekly claims even while it's being reviewed.

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I was in a similar situation last year. Got fired from my warehouse job for allegedly missing too many days, but half of those were approved time off. Filed for unemployment anyway and after they investigated, I got approved. The employer has to prove it was misconduct, not just poor performance.

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Did your employer contest it? I'm worried mine will fight the claim.

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Yeah they contested it but I had documentation showing my absences were approved. Having records helped a lot during the hearing.

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I was in a similar situation last year and trying to get through to Washington ESD by phone was impossible. I must have called 200+ times over two weeks. Finally found this service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) that helped me get connected to an actual person. They have a video demo at https://youtu.be/7DieNd3C7zQ showing how it works. Made the whole process so much easier when I could actually talk to someone about my specific situation.

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I haven't even tried calling yet but everyone says it's impossible to get through. How does Claimyr work exactly?

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They basically keep calling Washington ESD for you until they get through, then connect you to the agent. Way better than sitting there redialing all day. Worth checking out if you need to talk to someone about your claim.

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Never heard of this but anything that helps with Washington ESD phone system sounds good to me. Those hold times are insane.

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wait so if i get fired for being late all the time i still get unemployment?? that doesn't seem right

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It depends on the specifics. If you were chronically late despite warnings and it violated company policy, that could be misconduct. But if it was occasional lateness or due to circumstances beyond your control, probably not.

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The system isn't perfect but it's designed to help people who lose jobs through no fault of their own. Chronic rule violations are different from performance issues or workplace conflicts.

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File online at esd.wa.gov as soon as possible. You have to file in the week you become unemployed or you can lose benefits. Even if you think you might not qualify, file anyway and let them decide.

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Already bookmarked the site. Planning to file first thing Monday morning.

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I got fired for supposedly 'not following procedures' but really it was because my manager didn't like me. Washington ESD approved my claim after investigating. Your employer has to prove misconduct, not just that they fired you. Don't let them intimidate you into not filing.

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How long did the investigation take for your case?

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About 4 weeks total. They called me, called my employer, then made their decision. I got approved and started receiving benefits retroactively.

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I've been trying to call Washington ESD for weeks about my own claim issue and can never get through. The phone system is completely overwhelmed. If you need to talk to someone about your specific situation, you might want to check out claimyr.com - they have a service that helps you get connected to actual ESD agents. I saw their demo video at https://youtu.be/7DieNd3C7zQ and it looks pretty straightforward.

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Is that legit? I'm always skeptical of services that charge to help with government stuff.

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I understand the skepticism, but sometimes you need help navigating the system. They don't ask for your personal info or anything sketchy - they just help you get through to the right person at ESD.

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Make sure you keep applying for jobs while your claim is being processed. Washington ESD requires you to do job search activities and report them on your weekly claims. Don't let that slide even if you're confident about getting approved.

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How many jobs do I need to apply for each week?

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You need to complete 3 job search activities per week. This can include applying for jobs, attending job fairs, networking events, or WorkSourceWA workshops.

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And keep detailed records! Washington ESD can audit your job search log at any time.

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ugh the whole system is so stressful. I'm going through adjudication right now too for a different reason and it's been 4 weeks with no updates. At least you know why you were fired - sometimes employers make up vague reasons just to try to block your claim.

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4 weeks?? That seems like forever when you need the money.

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Tell me about it. Bills don't wait for Washington ESD to make their decision.

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I got fired from my last job for attendance issues (was dealing with childcare problems) and still got approved for unemployment. Washington ESD looks at whether you had good cause for the issues that led to your firing. Performance problems or business conflicts usually aren't enough to disqualify you from benefits.

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Did they ask for a lot of documentation during your adjudication?

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They asked me to explain my side of the story and provide any relevant documents. I sent them my work schedule showing the conflicts with my childcare.

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That's smart - always provide context for why things happened the way they did.

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I'm going through this right now actually. Got fired three weeks ago for 'not meeting expectations' and my claim is still in adjudication. Washington ESD is taking forever to make a decision and I can't get anyone on the phone to explain what's happening.

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That's exactly what I'm worried about! How are you handling the wait financially?

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It's rough honestly. I've been trying to call Washington ESD every day but always get the busy signal or get disconnected. Someone mentioned Claimyr earlier - might have to try that because this is getting ridiculous.

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Seriously try Claimyr! I was skeptical at first but they have a video demo showing exactly how it works: https://youtu.be/7DieNd3C7zQ. Way better than spending hours redialing Washington ESD.

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Be prepared for your employer to fight it though. Most companies automatically contest unemployment claims to try to keep their UI tax rates low. Don't take it personally - it's just business to them.

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That's really frustrating but good to know what to expect.

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Yep, my company contests every single claim regardless of circumstances. It's just policy.

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Just want to say that 'performance issues' is usually employer code for 'we want to fire you but don't have a good reason.' If you weren't stealing, fighting, or deliberately sabotaging things, you'll probably be fine for UI benefits.

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That makes me feel better. I definitely wasn't doing anything malicious, I was really trying my best.

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Whatever you do, don't wait to file thinking you won't qualify. I made that mistake and lost out on like 2 weeks of benefits because the waiting period starts when you file, not when you get approved.

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Good point, I'll file today. Do I need any special documents when I apply?

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You'll need your Social Security number, employment history for the past 18 months, and details about why you were separated from your job.

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If you're having trouble getting through to Washington ESD to check on your claim status, I found this service called Claimyr that actually got me connected to a real person. They have a website at claimyr.com and there's a demo video at https://youtu.be/7DieNd3C7zQ showing how it works. Saved me hours of calling.

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How much does something like that cost? Seems sketchy to pay to call unemployment.

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It's worth it when you can't get through any other way. Much better than sitting on hold for hours or getting disconnected.

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I might try that if I run into issues. The Washington ESD phone system is notorious for being impossible to reach.

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I went through this same situation and had a nightmare trying to reach Washington ESD by phone to check on my claim status. Spent hours on hold just to get disconnected. Someone on here recommended Claimyr.com - it's a service that helps you get through to an actual ESD agent. I was skeptical at first but watched their demo video (https://youtu.be/7DieNd3C7zQ) and decided to try it. Got connected to an agent in like 15 minutes and finally got my adjudication issues sorted out.

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Really? I've been trying to call them for days with no luck. How does that service work exactly?

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They basically handle the calling for you and deal with the busy signals and hold times. When they get an agent on the line, they connect you. Saved me so much frustration.

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I've heard of that but wasn't sure if it was legit. Did you have to give them personal info or anything sketchy?

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Nah, nothing sketchy at all. Just basic contact info so they can connect the call to you. Way easier than the alternative of calling 200+ times a day.

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The Washington ESD website has a whole section about this. You can get benefits if you're fired for reasons other than misconduct. Performance issues usually don't count as misconduct unless you were deliberately underperforming or ignoring training.

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I looked at the website but it's pretty confusing. Should I mention in my application that I think they were just downsizing?

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Just be honest about what happened. If they said it was performance but you think it was really about cutting costs, mention both. ESD will investigate and make their own determination.

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whatever you do dont lie on the application!! my friend got in huge trouble for not being completely honest about why he got fired. they found out from his employer and he had to pay back everything plus penalties

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Definitely won't lie. I'm just trying to figure out how to explain the situation accurately since I'm not even sure exactly why they fired me.

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Just describe what they told you and what you experienced. You don't need to speculate about their real motives - stick to the facts.

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WAIT don't get your hopes up too much. I got fired for being late a few times and Washington ESD denied my claim saying it was misconduct. Had to appeal and it took MONTHS to get resolved. The system is brutal and they side with employers most of the time. But yeah you should still apply because you never know.

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Oh no, now I'm worried again. How many times were you late? Maybe that's different from performance issues?

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I was late like 8 times in 3 months. They said it showed a pattern of misconduct. But your situation sounds different - performance issues are usually treated better than attendance problems.

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DONT LET THEM INTIMIDATE YOU! I got fired from three jobs and got unemployment every time. Employers try to scare you into not filing but Washington ESD usually sides with the worker unless its really bad misconduct like stealing or violence.

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three jobs?? maybe there's a pattern there lol

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All different reasons and I got UI benefits each time so obviously Washington ESD agreed they were bogus firings!

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I work in HR and I can tell you that most terminations for 'performance' aren't actually misconduct under unemployment law. Companies sometimes try to contest claims anyway, but if you were just struggling to meet standards rather than refusing to do your job, you should be fine.

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That's reassuring. They never gave me any formal warnings or put me on a performance improvement plan. It felt really sudden.

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That actually works in your favor. Employers are supposed to give you a chance to improve before termination for performance issues. The lack of progressive discipline suggests it wasn't really about misconduct.

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This is good to know. I'm in a similar situation and was worried I wouldn't qualify.

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The specific criteria Washington ESD uses is whether you were discharged for misconduct connected with your work. Things like tardiness, poor quality work, or inability to meet standards generally don't count as misconduct unless they're willful or show a disregard for the employer's interests.

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They said I wasn't meeting sales targets but I was never trained properly on the system. Would that count as misconduct?

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Probably not if you can show you were trying but lacked proper training. Document everything you remember about the training you received.

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Same thing happened to my cousin, she got fired for performance but still got unemployment because they couldn't prove she was deliberately doing bad work.

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Whatever you do, don't let your former employer intimidate you about filing for unemployment. Some employers will tell you that you're not eligible just to discourage you from applying. They have to pay higher unemployment taxes when former employees get approved, so they have an incentive to fight it.

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My manager did mention something about how I 'probably wouldn't qualify anyway' when I was being fired. Now I'm wondering if that was intentional.

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Classic employer tactic. File your claim and let Washington ESD decide - don't let them make that decision for you.

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Whatever you do, be completely honest on your unemployment application about being fired. If you lie and they find out during the investigation, you'll be disqualified for sure. Better to tell the truth and let Washington ESD make the determination.

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Good point. I'll make sure to explain exactly what happened and why I think it was unfair.

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yes be honest but also dont make yourself look bad either, just state the facts

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The adjudication process can take anywhere from 2-6 weeks depending on how complex your case is. Since yours sounds pretty straightforward (performance vs misconduct), it might be on the quicker side. Just be patient and keep filing your weekly claims even while it's pending.

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Do I file weekly claims even before the adjudication is complete?

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Yes! You need to keep filing weekly claims for every week you want to potentially receive benefits, even during adjudication.

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This is important - if you don't file weekly claims during adjudication, you can lose out on those weeks of benefits even if you get approved.

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Make sure you keep records of everything - your termination letter, any emails, witness contacts if you have them. If it goes to a hearing you'll need documentation.

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I don't have much paperwork since they just walked me out, but I'll write down everything I remember.

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That's better than nothing. Also try to get contact info for any coworkers who witnessed the safety issues you reported.

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I tried calling Washington ESD so many times to ask questions about my adjudication and could never get through. Finally used that Claimyr service someone mentioned and actually got to talk to a real person who explained exactly what was happening with my claim. Worth it when you're stressed and need answers.

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How much does something like that cost?

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I'd rather pay a reasonable fee to actually talk to someone than waste weeks trying to get through on my own. The peace of mind was worth it for me.

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The Washington ESD website has a good section explaining misconduct vs non-misconduct separations. Basically if you were trying to do your job but just couldn't meet their expectations, that's not misconduct.

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Yeah but then you have to actually get through to someone at Washington ESD to ask questions if you're confused about anything...

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That's exactly why I mentioned Claimyr earlier - sometimes you really need to talk to a human to understand your specific situation.

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Whatever you do, don't lie on your application. Be honest about being fired but explain the circumstances. Washington ESD can handle the nuance - they deal with this stuff all day.

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Definitely planning to be completely honest. Lying would just make things worse if they found out.

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I work in HR and see this all the time. Most employers don't contest unemployment claims unless it was really serious misconduct because it costs them time and money. Even if they do contest it, Washington ESD investigates fairly thoroughly.

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That makes me feel better. My company is pretty small so hopefully they won't bother fighting it.

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small companies actually contest more often in my experience because they take it personally

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True, though they often don't have good documentation to support their case which works in the employee's favor.

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The unemployment system is so messed up. They deny claims for people who actually need help but then approve claims for people who got fired for legitimate reasons. Makes no sense.

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The system isn't perfect but it does try to distinguish between people who lost jobs due to economic reasons versus those who were fired for serious violations. It's not always clear cut.

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I guess. Just frustrating when you see people gaming the system while others who follow the rules get screwed over.

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I got fired from three jobs in my twenties and got unemployment from all of them lol. As long as you weren't doing drugs at work or punching customers you're probably fine

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Three jobs?? What were you getting fired for?

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First one was retail and I was too slow, second was food service and I kept messing up orders, third was because I called in sick too much. All got approved for benefits though.

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Don't let one bad experience scare you. Every case is different and Washington ESD has to evaluate each situation individually. The fact that you mentioned lack of training is actually a strong point in your favor. Employers have a responsibility to provide adequate training and support.

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That makes me feel better. I really do think they set me up to fail by not training me properly on their systems.

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Exactly! If they fired you for not meeting standards they never properly explained, that's on them, not you.

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ugh the whole system is so frustrating!! I got fired from my retail job 2 months ago for being late too many times (my car kept breaking down) and STILL haven't gotten a decision on my claim. Every time I try calling Washington ESD I either get a busy signal or sit on hold for hours just to get hung up on. How is this acceptable??

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That's awful! Have you tried filing an appeal or anything? Two months seems way too long.

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I don't even know what to appeal yet because they haven't made a decision! My account just says 'adjudication in progress' with no other info.

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Being late repeatedly could potentially be considered misconduct, but it depends on the circumstances. If you had valid reasons (transportation issues) and communicated with your employer, you might still be eligible.

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File your claim online at esd.wa.gov as soon as possible. Even if you're not sure you qualify, let them make that decision. The worst they can do is say no, but you might be surprised. I got approved even though I was nervous about my circumstances.

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I'm going to apply tonight. Do I need any special documents or just my basic info?

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You'll need your Social Security number, driver's license, and employment history for the past 18 months. Having your last pay stub helps too but isn't required to start the application.

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Been through this process twice - once for poor performance and once for a layoff. The performance firing actually took longer to adjudicate but I still got approved. Washington ESD seems to understand that not every job is a good fit and that doesn't mean the employee did anything wrong.

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That's reassuring. I really was trying my best at that job, it just wasn't a good match.

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Exactly! And that's not misconduct. Good luck with your claim - sounds like you have a solid case.

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Same thing happened to my brother last year - fired for 'performance' after complaining about his manager. He got approved for unemployment and actually ended up getting a better job while collecting benefits. Don't give up!

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That gives me hope! I'm actually kind of relieved to be out of that toxic environment.

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Here's what Washington ESD considers misconduct: willful or wanton disregard of employer's interests, deliberate violation of workplace rules, illegal activity, etc. 'Performance issues' usually means you were trying but not succeeding, which isn't misconduct.

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This is really helpful, thank you! I definitely wasn't willfully disregarding anything, I was just struggling to keep up with their sales targets.

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The worst part is waiting for Washington ESD to make a decision. But file your claim ASAP because even if they approve it, you can't get benefits for weeks you didn't file. The clock starts ticking when you submit your application, not when they approve it.

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Good point! I'll file online tonight. Is there anything specific I should say or avoid saying in the application?

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Just be honest and factual. Don't badmouth your employer but do mention relevant details like the lack of training. Keep it professional but thorough.

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For anyone reading this thread - make sure you file your weekly claims even while your initial claim is in adjudication! I made that mistake and had to backdate everything which was a huge hassle. You won't get paid until the adjudication is resolved, but you need to keep certifying to maintain your claim.

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Good to know! I was wondering about that. Do you file them online or over the phone?

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Online is way easier. Just log into your Washington ESD account and you can do your weekly claim there. Much faster than trying to call in.

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File online at esd.wa.gov as soon as possible. You can file the same week you lost your job. Even if your claim gets denied initially, you can appeal the decision. Don't let being fired stop you from applying.

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I'll file tonight. Thanks for all the encouragement everyone, I was really stressed about this.

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good luck! most people who get fired for performance reasons end up getting approved

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For anyone reading this thread - here's what Washington ESD considers when you're fired: 1) Was it willful misconduct? 2) Did you violate known company rules? 3) Were you warned about the behavior? 4) Was the violation substantial enough to harm the employer? Performance issues rarely meet this standard.

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This is really helpful! In my case, I was never written up or formally disciplined. Does that help my case?

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Absolutely! Lack of progressive discipline or warnings typically works in your favor. It suggests the termination wasn't for clear misconduct.

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What if you were fired during your probationary period? Does that change anything?

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Probationary status doesn't automatically disqualify you. Washington ESD still applies the same misconduct standards regardless of how long you worked there.

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Don't forget to set up your WorkSourceWA account if you haven't already. You'll need it for reporting your job search activities. The website can be a bit clunky but it's required for maintaining your unemployment eligibility.

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Is that separate from the Washington ESD website?

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Yes, WorkSourceWA is a different system but they connect. You'll use it to log job search activities and access training resources.

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If you're worried about the adjudication process taking forever, I had good luck with that Claimyr service someone mentioned earlier. Used it when my claim was stuck for weeks and finally got to talk to someone who could explain what was happening. Worth checking out claimyr.com if you run into issues.

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I'm seeing this mentioned a few times now. Definitely going to bookmark it in case I need it.

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Wish I had known about this 3 months ago! Going to try it this week.

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If your employer does contest your claim, don't panic. You'll get a chance to tell your side of the story during the adjudication interview. Just be honest and stick to the facts.

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How do I know if they're going to contest it?

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Washington ESD will notify you if there's a dispute. You'll get paperwork explaining the next steps if that happens.

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I'm going through the exact same thing right now. Got terminated last week supposedly for 'attitude problems' but really I think it's because I refused to work mandatory overtime every single weekend. Filed my claim online yesterday and already dreading the waiting game.

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Ugh, that's so frustrating. Hopefully we both get approved quickly. Did you save any documentation from your job?

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I kept copies of all my performance reviews which were actually pretty good. Also have some emails showing the unreasonable overtime demands.

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That documentation will be really helpful if your employer contests the claim. Refusing excessive overtime generally isn't misconduct either.

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Same thing happened to my brother. He got fired from his construction job for 'not meeting productivity standards' but really they just expected him to know things he was never taught. Washington ESD approved his claim after investigating. Took about a month total.

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That sounds exactly like my situation! Did he have to provide any specific documentation or proof?

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He saved all his text messages with his supervisor about not understanding certain procedures. That helped show he was trying to get clarification but wasn't getting the support he needed.

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The system is so backed up right now. I've been waiting 3 weeks just to get someone to look at my claim. If you end up needing to actually talk to someone at ESD, good luck with that. I finally used that Claimyr service someone mentioned earlier and actually got through to an agent the same day.

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How much did that cost? I'm already stressed about money.

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Honestly, it was worth it for the peace of mind. I was spending hours every day trying to call and getting nowhere. Sometimes you just need to talk to a real person who can look at your specific situation.

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If your claim does go to adjudication because of the firing, be patient but persistent. I used that Claimyr service someone mentioned earlier when I needed to check on my adjudication status and it really helped. Otherwise you're just stuck waiting with no updates.

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I'll definitely keep that in mind if I have trouble getting information from Washington ESD.

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adjudication can take weeks, its so frustrating when you need answers about your claim

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One thing to keep in mind - if Washington ESD approves your claim, your former employer might appeal the decision. Don't panic if that happens, it's pretty common. You'll get a chance to present your side during the appeal process. Document everything now while it's fresh in your memory.

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What kind of things should I document? I don't have any written communications about the firing.

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Write down dates, times, who said what, any witnesses present. Even if you don't have written proof, your detailed account of events can be valuable during the investigation.

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I work in HR and see this all the time. Most terminations for performance don't rise to the level of misconduct unless the employee was deliberately sabotaging work or ignoring direct orders. Questioning safety protocols? That's definitely not misconduct - that's actually protected activity in most cases.

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That makes me feel much better about my situation. Should I mention the safety concerns when I file my claim?

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Definitely include that context! It shows you were acting in good faith and looking out for workplace safety. That's the opposite of misconduct.

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The worst they can do is say no, but if you were fired for performance and not misconduct, you have a good chance. I got unemployment after being fired for not meeting quotas at a call center. Just be prepared to possibly go through an appeal process.

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How does the appeal process work if they initially deny me?

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You file an appeal within 30 days and then there's usually a phone hearing where you can explain your side of the story.

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phone hearings are actually pretty fair, the administrative law judges listen to both sides

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One more thing - make sure you start your job search right away and keep track of it. Washington ESD requires you to be actively looking for work and you'll need to report your job search activities on your weekly claims.

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How many jobs do I need to apply to each week?

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I think it's 3 job search activities per week, but check the current requirements when you file your claim.

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yeah its 3 activities but they can be applications, networking, job fairs, etc not just applications

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You mentioned unsafe working conditions - if you filed any formal complaints with OSHA or reported it to your supervisor in writing, that could actually help your case a lot. Retaliation for safety complaints is a big deal.

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I didn't file with OSHA but I did send an email to my supervisor about it. I should still have that in my sent folder!

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Perfect! Print that out and keep it safe. That's solid evidence that the firing might have been retaliatory.

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File ASAP and don't stress too much about whether you'll qualify. The system is designed to help people who lose their jobs through no fault of their own. Performance issues are usually not considered misconduct in Washington.

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Thank you, that's exactly what I needed to hear. Filing Monday for sure.

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Bottom line: being fired doesn't automatically disqualify you from unemployment benefits in Washington. The circumstances matter more than the fact that you were terminated. File your claim and let Washington ESD make the determination based on the facts.

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Thank you everyone for all the advice and support. I feel much more confident about filing now.

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you got this! dont let employers scare you out of benefits you might be entitled to

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The worst they can do is deny your claim, and even then you can appeal. But honestly, most 'performance' firings get approved for benefits unless there's clear evidence of misconduct.

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How long do appeals take if you get denied?

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Appeals can take several weeks, but you should keep filing your weekly claims during the process in case you win.

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I got fired from my last job for being late too many times and still got unemployment. It wasn't considered misconduct because I wasn't deliberately trying to be late - I was having car trouble. The key is being able to show it wasn't willful.

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That gives me hope. My situation sounds similar - it wasn't like I was trying to do a bad job.

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Exactly. As long as you were making a good faith effort to do your job, you should be okay. Performance issues happen for lots of reasons that aren't the employee's fault.

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ugh the whole system is so stressful. I'm dealing with an overpayment issue right now and can't get anyone on the phone. Might have to try that Claimyr thing someone mentioned earlier. At least when you're first applying you can do most of it online without having to call.

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Yeah I'm definitely going to try filing online first. Hopefully I won't need to call unless there's a problem.

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That's probably your best bet. The online system works fine for basic applications. It's only when you need to talk to an actual person that it becomes a nightmare.

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File your claim immediately! Don't wait. Even if there's a dispute, you want to get the process started. I waited two weeks after getting fired and regretted not filing sooner.

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Good point. I'll file tonight. Better to have it processing while I job search than to wait and potentially lose benefits.

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Exactly! And keep documenting your job search activities from day one. Washington ESD requires proof you're actively looking for work.

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The whole thing is nerve-wracking when it's your first time but Washington state actually has pretty worker-friendly unemployment laws compared to other places. Focus on being honest about what happened and don't assume you'll be denied just because you were fired.

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Thanks everyone for all the advice. I'm going to file my claim tomorrow morning.

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Good luck! Remember to keep records of everything and don't hesitate to use services like Claimyr if you need to actually talk to someone at Washington ESD.

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You've got this! The worst part is the uncertainty while waiting for a decision.

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Just remember you'll need to do the weekly claims and job search requirements even while your claim is being investigated. Don't skip those or you could lose benefits even if you get approved.

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Good point. I'll make sure to stay on top of all the requirements.

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The job search log is actually pretty easy to maintain if you stay organized with it from the start.

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Pro tip: Start your job search right away even while waiting for your claim to be approved. Washington requires you to be actively looking for work and they can ask for proof. Keep a log of where you apply, when, and any responses you get.

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How many jobs do you have to apply to per week? I've heard different numbers.

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I think it's 3 per week minimum, but check the requirements when you file your weekly claim. They spell it out pretty clearly.

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Does anyone know if you can collect unemployment if you get fired during your probationary period? I was let go after 2 months and they said it was because I 'wasn't a good fit' but didn't give any specific reasons.

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Yes, you can still be eligible even during probation. 'Not a good fit' isn't misconduct - that's usually just a personality or skills mismatch which wouldn't disqualify you.

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That's reassuring. I was worried they could just fire you for any reason during probation and you'd be out of luck.

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Whatever you do, don't let your employer pressure you into saying you quit when you were actually fired. Some shady employers try this to avoid their unemployment insurance rates going up. If you were fired, say you were fired on your application.

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Good point. My manager did ask if I wanted to 'resign instead' but I said no. Glad I stuck to my guns.

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Yeah, that's a red flag right there. They know they don't have grounds for a misconduct termination or they wouldn't be offering that option.

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I used that Claimyr service someone mentioned earlier and it really works. I was skeptical too but after calling Washington ESD 150+ times over 3 days with no luck, I figured it was worth trying. Got through to an agent in under 20 minutes and finally got my claim status updated. Definitely recommend it if you're having trouble reaching them.

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I might have to try that. I'm at my wit's end with trying to call them directly.

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It's definitely worth it just for the peace of mind. I was going crazy not knowing what was happening with my claim.

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Quick question - do you have to wait a week before getting your first unemployment payment, or is that just an old rule? I keep seeing conflicting info online.

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There's still a one-week waiting period in Washington. So your first payable week is actually your second week of unemployment.

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Ugh, that's annoying but good to know. Thanks!

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I work in HR and see this situation a lot. Most terminations for performance issues don't rise to the level of misconduct that would disqualify someone from unemployment. The bar is actually pretty high - the employee has to have willfully violated clear company policies or engaged in behavior that shows deliberate disregard for the employer's interests.

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That's really helpful insight from the other side. I feel more confident about my claim now.

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Just be honest and thorough in your application. The adjudicator will look at all the facts and make a fair determination.

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One thing to watch out for - if you had any kind of severance agreement, make sure you understand how that affects your unemployment timing. Sometimes you can't start collecting until after the severance period ends.

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I didn't get any severance, so that shouldn't be an issue for me. But good to know for others.

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The waiting is honestly the worst part. I was fired 6 months ago (wrongfully, in my opinion) and went through this whole process. Once I got approved though, they backdated everything so I got a nice chunk of money all at once. Just hang in there and keep filing your weekly claims.

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How long did your adjudication take? And did you have to do a phone interview?

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About 5 weeks total, and yes they did a brief phone interview with me and my former employer. Just be honest and stick to the facts.

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I'm curious - does anyone know if the employer has to provide documentation when they contest an unemployment claim? My former boss was pretty disorganized and I doubt they kept good records of my supposed 'performance issues.

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Yes, Washington ESD will ask both sides for documentation. If the employer can't provide evidence to support their claim of misconduct, that works in your favor.

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That's what I was hoping. They barely even had an employee handbook, let alone progressive discipline documentation.

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Try not to stress too much about it. The majority of unemployment claims get approved, even when people are fired. Washington's system is generally pretty fair as long as you're honest about what happened.

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Thanks for the encouragement. I keep second-guessing myself but I know I didn't do anything that would count as misconduct.

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Make sure you check your Washington ESD account online regularly for any correspondence or requests for additional information. Sometimes they need more details and if you don't respond quickly it can delay your claim even more.

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Good advice. I set up notifications so I'll get an email if anything changes with my claim.

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I had a similar situation last year where I complained about safety issues and then got fired a few weeks later for 'poor performance.' Washington ESD approved my claim and even noted that the timing seemed suspicious. Don't be afraid to mention the potential retaliation aspect.

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That's exactly what I'm worried about - retaliation for my HR complaint. I'm definitely going to mention that in my application.

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Definitely do. Washington has strong protections against retaliation and ESD takes that stuff seriously.

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Bottom line - file your claim ASAP and don't let anyone tell you that being fired automatically disqualifies you. That's just not true in Washington. The system is there to help people who lose their jobs through no fault of their own, which includes most terminations that aren't for serious misconduct.

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Thank you everyone for all the helpful advice! I'm going to file my claim today and feel much more confident about the process now.

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Good luck! Come back and update us on how it goes.

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Check your employee handbook if you still have it. Sometimes it shows what the company considers 'misconduct' vs. other reasons for termination. That might help you understand how to describe your situation.

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Good idea. I think I have a copy at home somewhere. I'll look for it tonight.

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The unemployment office will contact your former employer to get their side of the story. Be prepared for them to possibly contest your claim, especially if they're trying to keep their unemployment insurance rates low.

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What happens if they contest it? Do I have to prove they're wrong?

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If they contest it, your claim goes to adjudication where ESD reviews both sides. You'll have a chance to provide your version of events. Keep any documentation you have about your employment.

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The adjudication process can take a while, but don't let that discourage you from applying. I went through it and eventually got approved.

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I'm going through something similar right now. Got let go for 'not being a good fit' which seems like code for 'we don't want to pay severance.' It's frustrating but I'm glad to hear others have been successful with their claims.

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Yeah, 'not a good fit' sounds like what they told me too, just in different words. Hopefully we both get approved.

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Fingers crossed! I filed my claim yesterday and already got my first determination saying I'm eligible. Still waiting to see if my employer contests it though.

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Make sure you understand the difference between being fired for cause vs. being laid off. Even if they called it a firing, if it was really about business needs or restructuring, that's different from misconduct.

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They specifically said it was performance, not business needs. But I suspect they were just looking for reasons to cut staff.

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Document everything you remember about what they said and when. Those details could be important if your claim gets contested.

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Don't let them intimidate you into not applying. Even if you're not 100% sure you qualify, you have the right to apply and let ESD make the determination. That's literally what the system is for.

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You're right. I think I was just psyching myself out. I'm going to apply tonight and see what happens.

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If you do get approved, make sure you understand the job search requirements. You'll need to be actively looking for work and document your search activities. It's not just free money - there are obligations that come with it.

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I'm definitely planning to look for work regardless. Do I need to register with WorkSource or anything like that?

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Yes, you'll need to register with WorkSourceWA and complete your job search activities. The requirements are pretty clearly outlined on the ESD website.

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The job search requirements aren't too bad. Just keep good records of where you apply and any networking you do.

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UPDATE: I just wanted to thank everyone for the advice. I applied for unemployment last night and got an email this morning saying my claim was approved! I was worried for nothing. Now I just need to keep filing my weekly claims and looking for work.

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That's great news! Glad it worked out. Good luck with your job search.

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See? I told you to apply right away. Sometimes these things work out better than we expect.

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Awesome! This gives me hope for my own situation. Thanks for updating us.

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Pro tip: when you file your weekly claims, make sure you're actively looking for work and documenting your job search. Washington ESD requires 3 job search activities per week.

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What counts as a job search activity?

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Applying for jobs, attending job fairs, networking events, interviews, even updating your resume can count. Just keep good records.

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I'm dealing with a similar situation right now. Got let go for 'not being a good fit' which is basically the same as performance issues. Filed my claim last week and haven't heard anything yet.

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Keep me posted on how it goes! It sounds like we're in similar boats.

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If you need to check on your claim status and can't get through on the phone, that Claimyr thing someone mentioned earlier might help you actually reach someone.

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Washington state is pretty employee-friendly when it comes to unemployment benefits. Unless you did something really egregious, you'll probably qualify.

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That's good to hear. I was worried I'd be stuck without any income while job hunting.

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Just make sure you file online through the SecureAccess Washington portal. It's faster than trying to do it over the phone, and you'll get confirmation that everything went through.

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Thanks! I'll get started on that right now.

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One more thing - if you do get approved, your benefit amount will be based on your earnings from the past year. The firing itself doesn't affect how much you get, just whether you qualify.

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Good to know. I'm hoping everything works out. Thanks everyone for all the advice!

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Good luck! Most people in your situation do get approved. The system is designed to help people who lose their jobs through no fault of their own, and performance issues usually fall into that category.

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I really appreciate all the support and information. This community is great!

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Yeah, this thread has been super helpful for me too. I was in a similar situation a few months ago and seeing everyone's experiences made me feel less alone in dealing with Washington ESD.

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That's exactly why I shared the Claimyr info - we all need help navigating this system sometimes, and actually talking to a real person at Washington ESD can make all the difference in understanding your situation.

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Final thought - even if there's any doubt about your eligibility, file anyway. Let Washington ESD make the determination rather than assuming you won't qualify. You might be surprised.

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Definitely filing today. Thanks again everyone!

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The whole adjudication process is a nightmare. I got fired for 'insubordination' because I refused to work in unsafe conditions, and it took Washington ESD six weeks to approve my claim. Six weeks without income while they figured out what should have been obvious.

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Six weeks?! That's insane. Did you try calling to check on the status?

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Tried calling constantly but could never get through. Finally used Claimyr to reach an actual agent who explained what was taking so long. Wish I'd known about that service earlier.

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Another vote for Claimyr! Seems like it's the only way to actually talk to Washington ESD these days.

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ok i'm convinced. filing my claim today. got fired last month for 'not being a good fit' which sounds like bs to me

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Not being a good' fit is usually not misconduct. That sounds more like a personality conflict or cultural mismatch, which'shouldn t disqualify you frombenefits.

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that's what i thought too. thanks for the encouragement!

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Remember everyone - even if your employer contests your claim, that doesn't mean you'll be denied. Washington ESD investigates each case independently. I've seen plenty of cases where employers claimed misconduct but couldn't actually prove it when ESD dug into the details.

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This is true. My former employer tried to say I was fired for poor performance but when Washington ESD asked for specific examples and documentation, they couldn't provide much. Claim was approved.

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That's reassuring. I'm feeling much more confident about filing now.

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Just want to add - if your claim gets denied initially, you can appeal! Don't give up if the first decision doesn't go your way. The appeals process exists for a reason and many people win on appeal.

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Good to know there's a backup plan. Hopefully it won't come to that though.

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Appeals can take a while though, so it's better to get it right the first time. Make sure to include all relevant details when you file.

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The bottom line is: if you weren't stealing, fighting, or deliberately violating clear company policies, you'll probably qualify for unemployment. Performance issues, personality conflicts, and workplace disagreements usually don't count as misconduct.

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That's a helpful way to think about it. My situation definitely doesn't involve any of those serious violations.

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Exactly. The bar for misconduct is pretty high - it has to be willful and substantial harm to the employer's interests.

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Thanks for posting this question! I'm in a similar boat and was afraid to apply. This thread convinced me to file my claim. Hopefully we both get approved quickly!

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Good luck! Let me know how it goes for you. I'm filing mine tonight.

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Will do! Here's hoping Washington ESD processes our claims faster than some of the horror stories in this thread.

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I work in HR and see this situation a lot. Most employers don't fight unemployment claims for performance-related terminations because it's hard to prove misconduct. They usually only fight claims for things like theft, violence, or repeatedly violating clear policies after warnings.

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That's really helpful to know from someone on the employer side! Do you think my situation sounds like something they'd fight?

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Based on what you've described, probably not. Fighting unemployment claims costs time and money, and 'performance issues' with inadequate training is hard to defend as misconduct.

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Just apply already! You're overthinking this. I got fired from 3 different jobs over the years and got unemployment every time. Washington ESD is actually pretty fair about these things, they just want to make sure you weren't doing anything really bad.

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You're right, I need to just do it. I keep getting paralyzed by all the what-ifs.

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Exactly! The worst case scenario is they deny it and you appeal. But you'll never know until you try, and you're losing money every day you wait.

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Pro tip: when you file your weekly claims, make sure you answer all the questions correctly about looking for work. Even if your claim gets approved, you can lose benefits if you mess up the weekly certification process. Read the questions carefully each time.

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Good to know! I haven't even thought about the weekly requirements yet. Is there anything tricky about those?

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The work search requirements are the big one. You need to be actively looking for work and keep records of your job search activities. They can audit you at any time.

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I had to use Claimyr twice last year when I had issues with my claim. First time was when I got fired and needed to explain my situation to Washington ESD. Second time was when they wanted documentation I didn't understand. Both times it saved me weeks of trying to get through on my own. The video demo really shows how much easier it makes the whole process.

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It sounds like having access to actual people at Washington ESD makes a huge difference. I might need that if my claim gets complicated.

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Yeah, there's just some things you can't figure out from the website. Having a real conversation with someone who knows the system is invaluable.

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File your claim tonight! I'm serious. Every day you wait is money you're losing. Even if it takes Washington ESD weeks to approve it, your benefit period starts from when you first file, not when they approve it. Don't overthink it.

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You're absolutely right. I'm going to stop reading horror stories online and just file the application. Thanks everyone for the encouragement!

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Good! And remember, even if they deny it initially, you can always appeal. Don't give up if the first answer isn't what you want to hear.

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One more thing - if you do get approved, don't spend all your benefits right away. Sometimes Washington ESD will review claims months later and decide you weren't eligible. Then you have to pay it all back. Keep some money aside just in case.

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Ugh, that sounds scary. How often does that happen?

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Not super often, but it happens enough that you should be aware of it. Usually it's when there was some miscommunication about why you were fired or if your employer appeals later.

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The good news is that retail jobs are everywhere right now, so even if you do have issues with your unemployment claim, you should be able to find something else pretty quickly. The job market is way better than it was a few years ago.

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True, I've already seen a bunch of job postings. I just want to make sure I get the unemployment I'm entitled to while I'm looking.

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Absolutely! You paid into the system, you deserve to use it when you need it. That's literally what it's for.

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I was denied initially when I got fired but won my appeal. The key was showing that I was trying to do my job correctly but wasn't given the resources I needed. Sounds like you have a similar situation. Don't be discouraged if the first decision isn't favorable.

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How long did the appeal process take? I'm hoping I won't need to go through that but good to know it's possible to win.

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About 6 weeks from when I filed the appeal to when I got the decision. They scheduled a phone hearing where I got to explain my side of the story. It was nerve-wracking but worth it.

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Whatever you do, be completely honest on your application. Washington ESD will find out the truth anyway when they contact your employer, and lying on your application is automatic disqualification. Better to be honest about performance issues than to try to hide them.

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Yeah I'm definitely planning to be completely truthful. I don't want to make things worse by trying to hide anything.

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Smart approach. The investigators have heard every story before - they appreciate honesty and it usually works in your favor.

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Last piece of advice - start looking for jobs immediately even if you think your unemployment claim will be approved. Washington ESD requires you to be actively seeking work, and the sooner you start building your job search log, the better. Plus you might find something great before your benefits even kick in!

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Good point! I've been so focused on the unemployment application that I haven't even started job hunting yet. I should do both.

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Exactly! And if you do get a job offer while your claim is pending, you can always withdraw your application. But having unemployment as a backup while you look gives you more negotiating power.

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Hope everything works out for you! Being fired sucks but at least Washington has decent unemployment benefits compared to some states. You should be able to get by while you find something better.

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Thanks everyone for all the advice! Feeling much more confident about this now.

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