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To clarify the vacation pay question - yes, unused vacation payouts generally count for the earnings test in the month they're received, not earned. This is different from regular wages. If your final check includes substantial vacation payout and arrives in March, that portion could count against your March earnings limit. The distinction is: - Regular wages: Count when earned (February in your case) - Vacation/sick/bonus payouts: Count when received (March) If this is a concern, you might ask your employer if they can issue separate checks - one for final wages (can arrive in March) and another for vacation payout (ideally paid in February before benefits start).

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Thank you for clearing that up. I have about $4,800 in vacation time that will be paid out. I'm going to talk to payroll today to see if they can issue that payment in February instead of with my final regular paycheck in March.

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One other thing nobody mentioned - if 2025 is your first year of retirement, you can use the monthly earnings test instead of the annual one. This means after you officially retire, you can make as much as you want for the remainder of the year before retirement, and then be limited to $1,860/month ($22,320 ÷ 12) for any month after retirement. This is a big advantage in the first year! After 2025, you'd be subject to the annual limit only.

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That's really good to know! So basically as long as I genuinely retire in February, and make sure my vacation payout happens in February too, I should be fine for the rest of 2025 as long as I don't earn over $1,860 in any single month. This is all so complicated, but I'm starting to understand it better.

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Social Security at 67 vs. SSDI now - is disability worth pursuing with 3 years until FRA?

I just turned 64 and recently lost my job when my entire department was eliminated. The job search has been brutal - I've applied to dozens of positions where I'm perfectly qualified, only to see companies hire people half my age (they actually post photos of their training classes on LinkedIn!). At this point, I'm seriously weighing my options for the next 3 years until I reach my full retirement age for Social Security. I have some documented medical conditions that likely qualify me for SSDI, but I'm wondering if it's worth the hassle for just 3 years. My wife reached her FRA in June but is still working, and we're fortunate that our house is paid off and we're financially stable. We're hoping to both maximize our SS benefits when the time comes. A few questions: - Will going on SSDI now affect my eventual retirement benefit amount when I convert at FRA? - Is the application process too burdensome for such a short timeframe? - Would I still qualify for Medicare at 65 if I'm on disability? One bright spot is that when I turn 65 next year, I can get Medicare and my wife can drop me from her expensive employer plan. I'm still applying for jobs, but feeling increasingly defeated by the age discrimination. We don't desperately need the income, but I'd like some financial independence rather than relying entirely on my wife's earnings during these pre-retirement years. Any insights from those who've been in similar situations?

My wife went thru this exact situation. Applied for disability at 63, took about 5 months to get approved (she has MS so pretty clear cut case). Main advantage was getting her income started again while preserving her full SS amount when she hit FRA. Just had her 66th birthday and the switch from SSDI to regular SS was automatic, same amount, no paperwork. Only hassle was all the medical documentation needed for initial application. Since you're financially ok might be worth the peace of mind to have your own income source again.

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Thanks for sharing your wife's experience. That's encouraging to hear it was automatic at FRA. Peace of mind and having my own income again would definitely be valuable to me psychologically, even if we don't desperately need it financially.

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btw has anyone asked if ur even eligible for SSDI? you need to have worked enough in recent years to qualify - like 5 of last 10 yrs i think?

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You're referring to the recency of work test, and you're close - the general rule is that you must have worked 5 out of the last 10 years before becoming disabled. However, the specific requirement is 20 quarters of coverage (work credits) in the last 10 years. For someone aged 64, you need a total of 40 work credits throughout your lifetime, with 20 of those earned in the 10 years before disability. Given the OP mentioned being recently employed before the layoff, they likely meet this criterion, but it's definitely something to verify before applying.

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Thank you all for the extremely helpful responses! I've learned so much. Based on your advice, I'm going to: 1. Wait until I fully retire in 18 months before claiming any benefits to avoid the earnings test complications 2. Schedule an in-person appointment at my local SSA office to verify all this information 3. Get the details in writing about how survivor benefits would work in my specific situation It's such a relief to know the age gap won't reduce my survivor benefits. That was my biggest concern. And the warning about getting conflicting information from SSA reps is definitely noted - I'll make sure to document everything carefully.

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That sounds like an excellent plan! One more tip: when you go to your in-person appointment, ask them to run calculations for different claiming scenarios. They have software that can show you the lifetime difference between claiming at different ages. It's very helpful for seeing the long-term impact of your decisions.

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just remebered something else - my neighbor said she had to provide marriage certificate when applying for survivor benifits. make sure u know where yours is! they are super strict about documentation

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my neighbor worked for SSA for 30 years before retiring and she always told me they never actually skip payments unless theres a problem with eligibility. have you had any changes lately? new job? inheritance? moved? sometimes these trigger reviews and they hold payments

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No changes at all! That's what's so strange. I haven't worked since retiring in November, no inheritance or other income changes, same address... everything has been completely stable. I've only been receiving benefits for a few months so I don't know why there would suddenly be an eligibility issue.

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After reading through all your responses, I'm pretty sure this is a specific issue that needs direct SSA intervention. One possibility is that there was an unprocessed Change of Payment Address (even if you didn't change addresses), a bank account verification issue, or a routine eligibility review. These can sometimes result in a payment being held but not necessarily communicated clearly in your online account. Your March payment being scheduled suggests you're still eligible, which is good news. I would definitely prioritize speaking with an agent directly.

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Update: I FINALLY got through to SSA this morning after trying for three days straight! Turns out there was a "system flag" on my account because my payment date needed to be adjusted to align with my birth date payment schedule. The representative said February's payment wasn't actually skipped - it's being processed as a separate payment and should arrive within 5-7 business days. She removed the flag and said all future payments should arrive on schedule. Thanks everyone for your help and suggestions!

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Theres a Facebook group called "Social Security Fairness" with over 100k members fighting for WEP/GPO repeal. They post regular updates about the legislation and have form letters you can send to your representatives. Might be worth joining if you want to stay updated or get involved in advocacy efforts.

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That's great to know - I'll definitely look up that group. I feel so isolated dealing with this issue since most Americans don't have foreign pensions and don't understand how WEP works. It would be nice to connect with others in the same boat.

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my neighbor said her congresman told her the wep repeal might be included in end of year budget stuff. has anyone else heard this??

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They say that EVERY YEAR and it never happens!! I've been watching this issue for 4 years now and they always say "oh it might be in the year-end package" but then it gets dropped at the last minute. I'll believe it when I see it signed into law.

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One more important point: Even if your benefits are completely suspended due to earnings, you're still ENTITLED to those benefits. This becomes important if something happens to change your situation. For example, if you stop working or reduce hours later (before FRA), you can notify SSA and your benefits would be reinstated based on the new earnings estimate. Also, keep in mind that only wages and self-employment income count toward the earnings test. Investment income, pension payments, government benefits, interest, and dividends don't count against you.

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Ev Luca

That's a crucial distinction about what types of income count! My new position would be a regular W-2 job, but I do have some investments that generate income. Good to know those won't affect the calculation.

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Im so CONFUSED by all this!!! Doesnt taking a job that pays more than the limit mean your NOT RETIRED?? Why should anyone get SS if there still working and making good money? The whole system makes no sense!

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The earnings test isn't about whether you're "retired" - it's a calculation that recognizes people might partially retire or need supplemental income. Once you reach Full Retirement Age, the earnings test goes away completely - you can earn unlimited amounts while receiving full Social Security benefits. The reason for this policy is that Social Security was designed to replace income in retirement, but acknowledges that the transition to full retirement is often gradual for many people.

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one more thing - when u do turn 62 make sure u check if its better to take ur own SS or the ex-spouse benefit. depends on ur work history. if u take it at 62 its reduced no matter what

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This is excellent advice. At 62, both your own retirement benefit and any ex-spouse benefit would be reduced by about 30% compared to waiting until your Full Retirement Age (FRA). You'll get whichever is higher - your own benefit or the ex-spouse benefit - not both. If your own work record would give you a higher benefit, you might not need the ex-spouse benefit at all. The SSA should be able to tell you the projected amounts for both options.

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Thank you all for this valuable information! I'm disappointed I might have missed out on some benefits when my daughter was younger, but at least I understand the rules better now. I'll definitely check on both my own retirement benefit and the ex-spouse benefit when I turn 62 to see which is better. I'm going to try to schedule an appointment with SSA to discuss everything properly. I feel less anxious now that I have more knowledge about how this all works.

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Good plan to meet with SSA. One last tip: bring your marriage certificate, divorce decree, and ex's Social Security number if you have it. This will help them look up your specific situation more efficiently. And definitely mention that you were never informed about potential mother's benefits when your daughter was younger - it probably won't result in back payments, but it might help them improve their training for representatives.

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I just remembered something else important - check if you qualify for the earnings test! If you're still working before FRA while collecting benefits, SSA withholds $1 for every $2 you earn above the annual limit (about $21,240 in 2023). But once you reach FRA, they recalculate and give you credit for those months they withheld benefits. So you might see an increase from that if you've had benefits withheld. This is different from the early filing reduction though.

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No, I'm fully retired now so that doesn't apply to me. But that's really good info for others who might be working while collecting early SS benefits!

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My cousin said if u work for 10 more years after taking early SS they have to recalculate everything and give u the higher amount. Is that right???

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Not exactly. If you continue working while receiving benefits, SSA automatically recalculates your benefit each year to see if your new earnings increase your monthly amount. This can happen if your recent earnings are higher than one of the 35 years used in your original calculation. However, the early filing reduction percentage still applies to any new calculation. Your cousin might be confusing this with the recalculation that happens at FRA if you had benefits withheld due to the earnings test.

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u should definitely reapply anyway. my aunt got denied three times for disability but kept trying and finally got approved. sometimes u just get a different person reviewing ur case.

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While persistence can help with disability claims that involve subjective evaluation, GPO calculations are unfortunately very straightforward math. If 2/3 of the pension exceeds the survivor benefit amount, the result will be $0. That said, it never hurts to verify the calculation is correct, especially with COLA adjustments over time.

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Thank you everyone for your helpful responses. I'm going to make an appointment with my local Social Security office to review my specific situation. I'll also try that Claimyr service to speak with someone by phone before my appointment so I'm better prepared. It sounds like I might still get $0 due to GPO, but at least I'll know for sure and can check if they're calculating everything correctly. I'll update this thread after I speak with them in case it helps others in my situation!

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My wife just reminded me they send a mailing when you turn 59 and 6 months with some kind of statement and info about signing up. So maybe just wait a bit and you'll get one automatically? Not sure if its the same statement your talking about though.

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That's partially correct. SSA sends a statement to workers a few months before they turn 60, 62, and 65 if they don't already have an online account. However, this is relatively new and the timing isn't always exact. Since the OP needs this for current tax/planning purposes, waiting isn't the best option. Creating the online account will provide immediate access to the same information.

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UPDATE: I successfully created my my Social Security account! It was actually pretty straightforward. I had to verify my identity through my cell phone and answer some questions about my credit history. The statement has EVERYTHING my accountant needed - all my earnings year by year, estimated benefits at different ages, and even a breakdown of SS and Medicare taxes I've paid. Thanks to everyone for the advice!

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Good for you! Now make sure you check it every year. My husband found out someone had been working using his SS number because he noticed earnings on there from a year he was unemployed after his heart attack. Helped him stop identity theft before it got worse!

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