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Zara Rashid

@profile4 - Yes, but with strict limitations. You can withdraw your Social Security application (Form SSA-521) within 12 months of first receiving benefits. However, you must repay ALL benefits you've received so far, including Medicare premiums and any benefits family members received on your record. After 12 months, or if you can't repay benefits, withdrawal isn't an option.\n\nAlternatively, if you've reached FRA, you can suspend benefits, which doesn't require repayment but just stops current and future payments until you restart them (or reach 70 when they automatically restart). This allows your benefit to grow with delayed retirement credits.\n\nBut neither of these affects the RIB/LIM rule being discussed here, which specifically applies to people who took their own retirement first, then became eligible for survivor benefits later.

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NebulaNova

I don't think I can pay back everything! Ugh, I should have researched more before filing. I just assumed taking it at 62 was best because I needed the money then. Nobody told me about all these exceptions and special rules!

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AstroAdventurer

My friend's ex tried to claim on his record even tho she was remarried and SSA denied her. So your ex definitely can't claim while she's still married. But I think the more important question is are YOU getting the maximum benefit you're entitled to? Did you check if you qualify for any of those special filing strategies before they were eliminated?

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Carmen Lopez

Most of the special filing strategies (like file-and-suspend) were eliminated by the Bipartisan Budget Act of 2015. Since the original poster started benefits last year, they wouldn't have been eligible for those strategies anyway. The only special strategy still available is for widow(er)s who can choose when to take their survivor benefit versus their own retirement benefit.

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Yuki Ito

Thank you all for the helpful information! It seems clear that my ex-wife has no claim to benefits on my record as long as she remains married. That's a relief to know. My current wife and I are satisfied with our benefit decisions, even though she's receiving a reduced amount by claiming early. One follow-up question - if my ex-wife's current marriage ends and she then claims on my record when she's eligible, would I be notified by SSA? Or would that happen without my knowledge?

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Jamal Wilson

The SSA would not notify you if your ex-wife files for benefits on your record. The process happens entirely without your involvement or knowledge. Remember that her claim (if she ever becomes eligible to file one) would have absolutely no impact on your benefit amount or your current wife's benefits. The SSA considers each claim independently.

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Surprised by automatic spousal top-up when applying for Social Security at 62 - how to stop it?

I'm totally confused about what just happened with my Social Security application. I filed online for my retirement benefits last month (I'm 62, turning 63 soon) thinking I was ONLY applying for my own benefits. Today I got TWO pieces of mail - first was my application summary showing I applied for my own retirement, but the second form shocked me - it was titled "wife's insurance benefits" application?! I immediately checked my mySocialSecurity account and sure enough, it shows my regular retirement benefit processing AND a separate claim for spousal benefits as "approved" even though I NEVER intended to apply for that! I specifically want to wait until my Full Retirement Age (66+10mo) to apply for the spousal top-up since my husband's record is significantly higher. In a panic, I called my local office (miracle they answered) and the rep explained that I'm "required to receive any benefits I'm entitled to" including spousal excess benefits. She said my only option is to complete Form SSA-521 to withdraw from the spousal portion and potentially repay any excess benefits once they start in March. I've been reading so much about Social Security strategies and nowhere did I see that applying for my own benefits would AUTOMATICALLY trigger spousal benefits too! I thought these were separate decisions we could make. Did I completely miss something in the application? Was there a checkbox I should have unchecked? Has anyone else dealt with this situation? I'm worried about messing up the withdrawal form and potentially losing the ability to get higher spousal benefits later.

Dmitry Ivanov

my cousin had this problem and she just kept calling the 800 number until she got someone helpful. said it took like 8 tries but finally got a rep who knew what to do. good luck!!

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Amara Nnamani

Something to consider - have you calculated what your spousal benefit will be at FRA versus what your own benefit will grow to with delayed retirement credits if you wait until 70? If your own benefit plus delayed credits would be higher than your spousal benefit at FRA, this whole issue might be moot. For example, if your own benefit at FRA would be $1,500 and could grow to $1,860 at age 70, but your spousal benefit at FRA would only be $1,700, you'd be better off focusing on maximizing your own benefit rather than worrying about the spousal component. Do you know both those numbers? If not, I'd recommend calling SSA to get an estimate of both scenarios before proceeding with any withdrawal.

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GalacticGuru

That's a good point! My own benefit at FRA would be about $1,800, while the spousal top-up would add another $750 (so $2,550 total). If I delayed to 70, my own benefit would be around $2,300 - still less than the combined amount at FRA. That's why I was planning to take my own reduced benefit now for some income, then add the full spousal at FRA.

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Zainab Ismail

That's great news! Just be prepared that the actual benefit amount might be different once they do the final calculations. Also remember that these benefits will automatically stop when your daughter turns 16, and if your income increases above the annual limit ($22,320 for 2025), your benefits could be reduced. Make sure to report any significant income changes to avoid overpayments that you'd have to pay back later.

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Connor O'Neill

congrats!!! that extra $$ will def help with a 9yo (they get expensive lol). glad u got thru to someone who knew what they were talking about!

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Malik Johnson

OMG the whole WEP thing is SUCH A SCAM!!! I worked for 20 years in the private sector paying into SS and then 15 years teaching in Texas. They've cut my SS benefit by almost HALF because of my teacher pension. It's TOTALLY UNFAIR! They're basically STEALING money I earned!!!!!

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Emma Davis

While WEP can feel unfair, it's designed to address a specific issue with the Social Security benefit formula. Without WEP, people with non-covered pensions would receive proportionally larger SS benefits than people who paid into SS their entire careers. The formula provides higher replacement rates for lower earners, and without WEP, time spent in non-covered employment would appear as 'low earnings' rather than what it actually is - earnings covered by a separate pension system. That said, there are ongoing legislative efforts to reform WEP. The Public Servants Protection and Fairness Act has been introduced several times to modify how WEP is calculated.

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Oliver Zimmermann

Thanks everyone for the helpful responses! I'm going to try calling my local office first thing tomorrow morning, and if that doesn't work, I'll try the Claimyr service that a couple of you mentioned. I'll also have my pension increase letter ready to fax or mail if needed. I appreciate all the suggestions!

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Diego Rojas

These survivor benefit rules are SO CONFUSING!!! 😫 I've called SSA like 5 times and gotten different answers each time about switching between deceased spouses. One person told me I could only get benefits from my most recent spouse (WRONG), another said I couldn't switch at all once I started taking benefits (ALSO WRONG). The whole system is a mess. I wish they would train their employees better or at least have a clear explanation on their website. Why is it so hard to get consistent information??!! Sorry for the rant, just been dealing with this for 7 months and I'm at my wit's end.

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Freya Thomsen

I feel your frustration. SSA's complexity means even their own employees sometimes misunderstand the rules around multiple spouses and benefit switching. For what it's worth, the definitive rule is in their Program Operations Manual System (POMS) section GN 00204.030. You can actually reference this specific policy number when speaking with representatives. Sometimes having that exact reference helps get you to a supervisor or technical expert who knows these special situations better. It's still frustrating, but having specific policy numbers has helped me navigate their bureaucracy more successfully.

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NebulaNomad

I just wanted to thank everyone for all the helpful information! I feel so much better knowing I CAN switch to my second husband's survivor benefit when I reach FRA, regardless of when each spouse passed away. I've been stressing about this for weeks! I'll pass the information along to my sister about her spousal benefit situation too. It sounds like she should probably wait until her FRA if she wants to maximize her options, or at least carefully compare both ex-spouses' benefit amounts before making any decisions. I'm still nervous about dealing with SSA when the time comes to make the switch, but at least now I know what to expect and that I'm entitled to make this change. I really appreciate all your experiences and expertise!

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Chloe Martin

You're very welcome! One more tip: when you're ready to make the switch at your FRA, call and schedule an appointment specifically with a "Technical Expert" or "Claims Specialist" rather than just any Claims Representative. These are the higher-level staff who handle complex situations like yours. Ask for this specifically when you call, and you'll have a much better experience.

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Liam McConnell

my neighbor said they always mess up payments. she got wrong amount for like 5 months before they fixed it. make sure u check everythng twice

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Amara Oluwaseyi

This happened to me too! They underpaid me for 4 months before I noticed. The backpay was a hassle to get straightened out. Keep detailed records of EVERYTHING and check your bank account against the benefit verification letter they send you.

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Nia Thompson

SSA system is completely broken anyway. Friend of mine tried to do what ur talking about, waited till 70, then the govt changed how they calculate COLA and he barely got more than if hed taken it at normal time. Just take the money now!!!!

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Yuki Tanaka

This is simply incorrect information. COLA adjustments apply to ALL beneficiaries regardless of when they started benefits. Your friend's situation must have involved other factors. The delayed retirement credits of 8% per year are guaranteed by law and have remained consistent for decades.

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Zara Ahmed

Thank you all for the thoughtful responses! After considering everything, I think I'm going to wait until 70 to start my benefits since I'm still earning good income and don't need the SS money right now. The guaranteed 8% annual increase is appealing, and given my family history, I'm likely to live past the break-even point. I appreciate everyone sharing their experiences and knowledge!

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GalaxyGuardian

Sounds like a well-thought-out decision! Just make sure to reassess if your circumstances change. And remember to create your my Social Security account online if you haven't already - it's helpful to periodically check your earnings record for accuracy while you're still working.

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Giovanni Rossi

watch out for march payments they sometimes get delayed because of tax season the system gets overloaded

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Dylan Mitchell

I'm jealous you get the 3rd! It comes earlier than my payment on the 4th Wednesday. I have to budget really carefully at the end of each month. 😩

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Dmitry Petrov

I know EXACTLY what you mean!!!! The end of the month is ALWAYS tight for me too!!!! Why can't they just pay everyone on the SAME DAY???? The whole system is ridiculous if you ask me!!!!

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Ravi Kapoor

Just wanted to say THANK YOU for asking this question!! I'm a teacher in Texas with 31 years in and my husband gets SS. I had NO CLUE about these changes and have been assuming I'd get nothing from his record. Going to look into this more now!!!!

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Oliver Weber

You're welcome! I'm glad it helped you too. This whole system is so complicated, especially for teachers and other public employees.

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Javier Gomez

One final consideration: make sure you're looking at your true pension amount when doing these calculations. Some public pension systems offer annuity options with survivor benefits that reduce the monthly payment. The GPO calculation would be based on the pension amount before any such reductions. Also, don't forget that the spousal benefit maximum is 50% of your husband's PIA, not 50% of what he actually receives. If he delayed claiming past his FRA to increase his own benefit, your spousal benefit would still be based on his PIA at full retirement age, not his increased amount. I'd recommend scheduling an appointment with SSA in early 2025 once they've fully implemented the new calculation procedures. They should be able to provide you with personalized estimates based on your specific situation.

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Oliver Weber

Thank you for this additional information. I'll make sure to talk to my pension system about the exact amount they'll use for these calculations. And I'll definitely schedule that SSA appointment in early 2025!

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