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I'm confused about how Social Security counts income for my husband and me. We're paid caregivers for our adult daughter who receives a DDA (Developmental Disabilities Administration) waiver. We have the live-in caregiver 'difficulty of care' exemption, so we don't receive W-2s or 1099s for this work. When we apply for our Social Security retirement benefits next year, does this caregiving income count toward our earnings record? Or since it's tax-exempt under the difficulty of care exemption, is it invisible to Social Security? I'm worried we've been working for years but might not be building up our SS credits or increasing our benefit amount. Has anyone navigated this specific situation before?
I'm planning to retire next year (2025) at 63 - before my FRA. I'm trying to figure out the earnings limit situation with some vacation time I've built up. My HR dept says they'll pay out all my unused vacation time when I leave, but I'm confused about how SSA counts this for the earnings limit. I read that weird paragraph on page 4 of the "How Work Affects Your Benefits" booklet that says if payments like vacation pay were EARNED in a different year than when they're paid, they shouldn't count toward the year you receive them. So here's my question - if I have vacation time that I accrued during 2024, but it gets paid out in my final check in 2025 when I retire, does that count against my 2025 earnings limit? The person I talked to at SSA just kept saying "gross earnings count" but didn't seem to understand my question about the TIMING of when the vacation was earned versus paid. Do I need to keep separate records for this? Has anyone dealt with this vacation payout situation before? I'm worried about accidentally going over the earnings limit and having benefits withheld!
In my experience, the local field offices are hit-or-miss with understanding special payments. If you're getting nowhere, ask to speak with a Technical Expert (TE) - they generally have more specialized knowledge about these complex situations than the regular service representatives. Also, document EVERY interaction with SSA - date, time, who you spoke with, and what they told you. This was extremely valuable when I had to escalate my case after getting incorrect information multiple times.
I'm a former SSA claims specialist and can confirm that vacation payouts for time accrued before retirement are indeed considered "special payments" under SSA policy. The key documentation you'll need is a detailed statement from your employer showing: 1. Total vacation hours accrued as of 12/31/2024 2. Dollar amount of the payout attributable to pre-retirement accrual 3. Clear statement that this represents compensation for services performed in 2024 When you contact SSA after receiving the payout, specifically use the term "special payment" - this triggers the correct policy review. Don't just say "vacation pay" as many representatives will automatically assume it counts toward current year earnings. One tip: if your employer uses a payroll system that tracks vacation accrual dates, ask for a detailed report showing when each hour was earned. This provides ironclad documentation if SSA questions the timing later. The Form SSA-131 that others mentioned is typically only required for larger employers or more complex situations, but having your employer complete one voluntarily can speed up the review process significantly.
I'm planning to retire next year and just discovered a potential nightmare with my Social Security application. My birth certificate says I was born on September 9th, but my mother always told me it was the 10th. I didn't even discover this discrepancy until my mid-30s! The problem is I've used the 10th on EVERYTHING for my entire working life - every W-2, every 401k, health insurance, driver's license, passport, literally every employment document for 40+ years lists the 10th. Will Social Security reject my application because of this one-day difference? Has anyone dealt with something similar? I'm worried this tiny discrepancy will delay my benefits or cause major verification issues. Is there a process to fix this before I apply or should I just apply with the date on my birth certificate and explain the situation?
just curious, if the birth certificate says the 9th but you've been celebrating on the 10th your whole life, which one do you consider your real birthday??? do you celebrate on the 9th now or still the 10th? ๐
I'm a retired SSA claims representative and want to reassure you that this type of discrepancy is very manageable. Since you've already confirmed your Social Security Statement shows the 10th, you're in good shape. The key is that SSA has been using the 10th for your entire earnings history - that's what matters for benefit calculations. When you apply, just include a brief note explaining the one-day difference and mention that all your employment records consistently used the 10th. You might also want to bring copies of a few documents (driver's license, passport, etc.) that show the 10th to demonstrate the consistent pattern. Birth date discrepancies of 1-2 days were actually quite common historically, especially for births that occurred around midnight or in rural areas with delayed record-keeping. SSA has procedures for handling these situations and they're generally very reasonable about it when there's a clear, consistent pattern in your work history like yours.
I'm planning to start collecting Social Security next year when I turn 62. I currently receive a pension of $2,800/month from my previous employer (state government) and I work part-time at a local hardware store making about $1,100/month. I've heard there's some earnings limit before they reduce your SS benefits when you claim early, but I'm confused about whether my pension counts toward this limit or just my part-time job income. I don't want to lose my SS benefits, but I also can't afford to quit my part-time job completely. Does anyone know the maximum I can earn in 2025 before they start reducing my Social Security? And does the WEP (Windfall Elimination Provision) affect this too? I'm so confused about all these different rules!
To summarize everything in this thread: 1. Earnings limit for 2025 if under FRA whole year: $22,320 (only wages count, not pension) 2. Your part-time job earnings are about $13,200/year, so you're under the limit 3. You likely face a WEP reduction due to your government pension 4. The WEP reduction depends on your years of "substantial earnings" under Social Security 5. The online calculator doesn't automatically show WEP reductions 6. You should contact SSA directly for an accurate calculation Based on what you've shared, you can definitely continue your part-time job without losing SS benefits to the earnings limit. The WEP reduction will happen regardless of whether you work or not, so that shouldn't affect your decision about the part-time job.
One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is that you might want to consider the timing of when you apply for Social Security. Since you're planning to start collecting at 62, you'll be taking a permanent reduction in your monthly benefit amount (around 25-30% less than your full retirement age benefit). With WEP potentially reducing your benefit even further, it might be worth running the numbers to see if delaying your claim by even a year or two could significantly improve your monthly income, especially since your part-time job and pension are covering your current expenses. Every year you delay past 62 increases your benefit by about 6-8% until you reach full retirement age. Just something to consider as part of your overall planning - sometimes the math works out better to wait even if you're eligible early.
My 65th birthday is coming up in a few months, and I'm planning to file for my Social Security retirement. My wife is 63 and owns a small accounting practice that she's built up over the last 15 years. She doesn't want to retire yet - loves what she does and her business is doing really well right now. I'm confused about how this affects our situation. Can she continue working at her own business while I collect my SS benefits? Will her income somehow reduce my payment? And what about when she hits her FRA - she'd be eligible for spousal benefits on my record since my benefit amount is higher than hers would be. Does her continuing to work affect that too? I've tried to navigate the SSA website but keep getting conflicting info. Any advice is appreciated!
Thank you everyone for the helpful responses! I feel much better knowing that my wife can keep her business going without affecting my benefits. We'll probably have her wait until FRA to claim anything since the business is doing well. One more question - if she does wait until FRA to claim spousal benefits, will they look at all her earnings up until that point to calculate her own benefit? Or do they just use earnings up to 62 or something?
SSA will consider all of her earnings through the previous year when she files for benefits, regardless of her age. So if she continues working until her FRA, those additional years of earnings will be included in her calculation. This is actually helpful in many cases since later-career years often have higher earnings that can replace lower-earning years from earlier in her career in the 35-year calculation. Just remember that at claim time, she'll automatically receive whichever is higher - her own benefit or the spousal benefit (which is up to 50% of your Primary Insurance Amount).
Just wanted to add one more important point that hasn't been mentioned yet - since your wife is self-employed, she should also consider the impact on her Medicare premiums down the line. While her business income won't affect your Social Security benefits, if she continues to have high earnings from her accounting practice, those earnings could affect her Medicare Part B and Part D premiums through IRMAA (Income-Related Monthly Adjustment Amount) when she becomes eligible for Medicare. This doesn't change the advice about Social Security benefits, but it's something to factor into her overall retirement planning. The IRMAA thresholds are based on modified adjusted gross income from 2 years prior, so her business income will be considered even if she's receiving Social Security benefits at that time.
Carmen Vega
After doing more research on your situation, I want to add that there is a process for requesting an earnings record correction with Social Security, but it requires evidence that you actually paid the self-employment taxes for those years. The difficulty of care exemption creates a unique situation that many tax preparers misunderstand. Moving forward, make sure your tax preparer includes Schedule SE with your tax returns to pay self-employment tax on this income. For past years, you can: 1. Amend returns for the past three tax years by filing Form 1040X along with Schedule SE 2. For years beyond the amendment window, you may still be able to file a request with SSA using Form SSA-7008 (Request for Correction of Earnings Record), but success will depend on your specific circumstances This is definitely a situation where speaking directly with someone at SSA who specializes in earnings record issues would be beneficial.
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Yuki Kobayashi
AuthorThank you so much for this additional information! I'll definitely look into Form SSA-7008. We're meeting with our tax preparer next week to go through our returns and start the amendment process for the years we can fix. I really appreciate everyone's help with this confusing situation.
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Miguel Castro
I'm new to this community but going through a very similar situation with my adult son who has autism. We've been caregivers under a state waiver program for 5 years and just discovered we may have been missing out on Social Security credits this whole time. Reading through everyone's responses has been incredibly helpful - it sounds like the key issue is whether self-employment taxes were paid, not just the income tax exemption. I'm definitely going to request my Social Security earnings statement to see what's actually been recorded and find a tax professional who understands these special situations. Thank you all for sharing your experiences - it's reassuring to know we're not the only family dealing with this confusion!
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