Can I collect spousal SS benefits at 65 with state pension then switch to my own at 70?
Hi everyone, I need some clarity on my retirement options! I've been working for the state government for 23 years and plan to retire at 65 with my state pension. My husband already started collecting his Social Security at 62 (about $1,850/month). I've also worked in the private sector earlier in my career and paid into Social Security, but my state job doesn't contribute to SS. My question is: When I retire at 65, can I file for spousal benefits (half of my husband's) and then switch to my own Social Security benefit at my FRA (67) or maybe wait until 70 for the maximum amount? I'm the higher earner based on my SS record. Also, would my state pension trigger any offsets or reductions? I know regular income from working can reduce benefits, but is a pension considered "earned income" for the SS earnings limit? So confused by all these WEP/GPO rules!
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Ethan Moore
Something similar happened with my brother in law. He got state pension and tried to get his wifes SS but they reduced it alot. Don't remeber what it was called but SS took most of it away.
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Aisha Ali
•Oh no, that's what I'm afraid of! Did they tell him why they reduced it? Was it because of his pension?
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Yuki Nakamura
You're running into the Government Pension Offset (GPO), which is different from the earnings test. Your state pension WILL affect your ability to collect spousal benefits. The GPO will reduce your Social Security spousal benefits by 2/3 of your government pension amount. For example, if your state pension is $3,000/month, your spousal benefits would be reduced by $2,000. If half of your husband's benefit is less than that reduction, you might not receive any spousal benefits at all. And no, you can't do the "file for spousal at 65 then switch to your own at 70" strategy anymore. That option (called "restricted application") was eliminated for anyone born after January 1, 1954 by the Bipartisan Budget Act of 2015. Also, your own SS retirement benefit might be reduced by the Windfall Elimination Provision (WEP) because you worked in a job not covered by Social Security.
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StarSurfer
•the govt ALWAYS finds a way to take your money!!!! they make us pay into SS our whole life then pull this GPO/WEP garbage. happened to my cousin who was a teacher for 30 yrs. total scam!!!
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Carmen Reyes
My situation was kinda like yours. I retired from county job with pension and tried to get my husband's SS (he passed away). Social Security told me about this Government Pension Offset thing and I only got about $213 of what should have been a $1,700 survivors benefit. It's really confusing but they have a calculator on the SSA website that might help you estimate what you'll actually get. And no, pension isn't counted as earned income for the earnings limit - that's only if you're working a job. But it still reduces benefits because of that GPO thing.
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Aisha Ali
•I'm sorry about your husband. Thanks for sharing your experience - that's really helpful. Do you know if the WEP will also affect my own Social Security when I eventually claim it? I worked in the private sector for about 14 years before my state job.
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Andre Moreau
There are several issues to address here: 1. The Government Pension Offset (GPO) will reduce your spousal benefits by 2/3 of your state pension amount. If your state pension is substantial, this might eliminate your spousal benefits entirely. 2. The Windfall Elimination Provision (WEP) may reduce your own Social Security benefit. However, if you have 30+ years of "substantial earnings" under Social Security, the WEP won't apply. With 14 years in the private sector, you'll have some reduction, but it won't be the maximum WEP reduction. 3. The "restricted application" strategy (taking spousal benefits then switching to your own) is only available to people born on or before January 1, 1954. If you're turning 65 soon, you were born after this date and cannot use this strategy. When you apply for any Social Security benefit, you're deemed to be applying for all benefits you're eligible for. 4. Pension income is not considered "earned income" for the earnings test, so that particular reduction won't apply. I recommend getting a benefits calculation from Social Security that factors in both WEP and GPO before making decisions. You can call SSA but it's often difficult to get through.
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Zoe Christodoulou
•I had the same issue with getting through to Social Security about my WEP situation. I tried for WEEKS and kept getting disconnected or waiting for hours. Finally used a service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) that got me a callback from SS in about 15 minutes. They have a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU. Totally worth it to avoid the frustration of calling over and over.
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Jamal Thompson
i think yur overthinking this. just take ur own ss at 70 and forget about the spouse thing. my uncle got a teachers pension and his own ss and hes fine.
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Yuki Nakamura
•This is not accurate advice. Whether the GPO and WEP apply depends on when the government service occurred and whether Social Security taxes were paid during that employment. Your uncle's situation might be different - perhaps he worked 30+ years under Social Security or his teaching position was in a state that participates in Social Security. The poster should definitely understand how GPO/WEP will affect her specific situation.
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Aisha Ali
Thank you all for the helpful responses! I had no idea about that restricted application strategy being eliminated - I guess I was reading outdated information. I'll definitely need to look more carefully at the GPO calculator. My state pension will be around $4,200/month, so it sounds like that would completely wipe out any spousal benefits. I guess my best strategy might be to just wait and collect my own Social Security at 70, even with the WEP reduction. I'll try to get specific calculations from SSA using that Claimyr service someone mentioned. This is all so much more complicated than I expected!
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Andre Moreau
•That's a good plan. With a $4,200 monthly pension, the GPO would reduce any spousal benefits by $2,800 (2/3 of $4,200). Since half of your husband's benefit would be well below that amount, you likely wouldn't receive any spousal benefits. Regarding WEP, the maximum reduction for 2025 is $615.50 per month, but with 14 years of substantial earnings, your reduction would be less than that. Waiting until 70 to maximize your own benefit is often the best strategy when dealing with WEP.
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