Can I switch from my small early SS retirement to full spousal benefits when my husband reaches FRA?
I'm turning 62 in September and eligible for Social Security retirement benefits - but honestly, it's going to be a tiny amount (about $840/month) because I was out of the workforce for many years raising our kids. My husband (64) plans to wait until his Full Retirement Age in 2027 to file for his much larger benefit. Can I take my own small benefit early at 62, then switch to a spousal benefit when he files at his FRA? I'll be almost 65 when he files. Will I get the full 50% spousal benefit or will it be reduced because I started my own benefit early? Also, I've heard something about Social Security closing filing strategy "loopholes" - does this affect the strategy I'm considering? I don't want to mess this up since we're planning our retirement finances carefully. Thanks!
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Paolo Ricci
Yes, you can start your own retirement benefit at 62 and then when your husband files at his FRA, you can receive spousal benefits too. BUT - and this is important - your spousal benefit will be permanently reduced because you took your own benefit early. You'll get the higher of either your own reduced benefit or the reduced spousal amount (which is less than 50% of his PIA). Unfortunately this isn't one of those "loopholes" like file-and-suspend that got closed in 2015. It's just how the system works now - early filing penalties stick with you permanently. If you wait until your own FRA to file for anything, you could get the full 50% spousal benefit. If you need the money now, take it early. If you can wait, you'll get more later. I was in a similar situation last year and decided to wait until my FRA.
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GalaxyGuardian
•Thank you for explaining! So if I understand correctly, even though I'll be 65 when my husband files at his FRA, my spousal benefit will STILL be reduced because I started my own benefit at 62? That's disappointing - I thought maybe I could get the full 50% once I reached 65 or when he filed. This makes our planning more complicated.
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Amina Toure
they arent closing anymore loopholes the big one was file and suspend that ended in 2016!! but ya ur spousal is PERMANENTY reduced if u take your own early just how it works now, ive been on SS for 3 yrs now
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Oliver Zimmermann
•This whole system is DESIGNED to confuse people into making bad choices! I applied early at 62 before understanding this rule and now I'm stuck with a permanently reduced spousal benefit even though my husband waited until 70 to maximize his benefit. The SSA representative NEVER explained this to me when I applied. Typical government trap to save money at our expense.
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Natasha Volkova
Let me clarify this since there's some confusion in the responses. When you take your own retirement benefit early at 62, you'll receive a reduced amount (about 70% of your full retirement age benefit). Later, when your husband files at his FRA: 1. SSA will calculate your spousal benefit (50% of your husband's PIA) 2. Subtract your own PIA (not your reduced benefit) from that amount 3. Apply a reduction factor to the difference based on when you first claimed benefits 4. Add that reduced differential to your already-reduced retirement benefit This is called the "excess spousal benefit" and it's permanently reduced because you filed for your own benefit early. To maximize your lifetime benefits, you should calculate whether the 3+ years of early benefits outweigh the permanent reduction. If you can wait until your own FRA (which sounds like it's 67), you would get the full 50% spousal benefit when your husband files. I recommend making an appointment with SSA to get a personalized calculation for your specific situation.
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GalaxyGuardian
•Thank you for the detailed explanation! So my understanding is if I take my own benefit at 62 ($840/month), then when my husband files at his FRA (his PIA is about $3,100), I would NOT simply get 50% of his PIA ($1,550). Instead, I'd get a complicated calculation based on when I first filed. This makes it much harder to decide what's best financially. Is there a calculator online that could help me run these numbers?
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Javier Torres
My sister just went through this exact situation! She took her tiny benefit at 62 (like $790) and when her husband filed 2 years later she only got like $1,080 total instead of the $1,400+ she thought she would get. Something about "deemed filing" and "excess spousal" rules. She was SO upset. Wish she had asked here first!
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Oliver Zimmermann
•Same happened to my neighbor! These "deemed filing" rules are just another way the government tricks seniors. They DELIBERATELY make these rules confusing so people make mistakes and get less money. Notice how they NEVER send out clear explanations of these complex rules before you need to make these decisions!
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Emma Davis
I've helped many clients through this exact scenario. Here's what you need to know about taking your benefit at 62 and then adding spousal benefits later: 1. Your own retirement benefit will be reduced by about 30% from taking it at 62 instead of your FRA (67) 2. When your husband files at his FRA, your spousal benefit will be calculated as follows: - If 50% of his PIA is higher than your PIA (not your reduced benefit), you'll get a differential amount - This differential is also reduced because you filed early - You'll receive your reduced benefit PLUS the reduced differential 3. This is NOT one of the "loopholes" that was closed. The strategies eliminated were: - File and suspend (ended April 2016) - Restricted application for spousal only (phased out for people born after Jan 1, 1954) If you need the income now, take it. But if you can wait until at least your FRA, you'll maximize your lifetime benefits, especially if your husband has longevity in his family (meaning you might receive survivor benefits for many years). The SSA website has a retirement estimator that can help with calculations: https://www.ssa.gov/benefits/retirement/estimator.html
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GalaxyGuardian
•This is incredibly helpful, thank you! I didn't realize how the early filing would permanently affect the spousal benefit calculation. I need to think carefully about whether I can afford to wait until my FRA. My husband's parents both lived into their 90s, so planning for potential survivor benefits is important too. I'll check out that estimator.
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CosmicCaptain
Just wanted to add that I've been trying to reach SSA for weeks to ask this exact question! Every time I call I'm on hold for hours and then get disconnected. So frustrating when trying to make important retirement decisions!
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Paolo Ricci
•I had the same problem trying to contact SSA last month! I finally used this service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) that holds your place in line and calls you when an agent is about to answer. Saved me from spending hours on hold. They have a video demo here: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU It was so worth it because I needed specific answers about my reduced spousal benefit calculation that I couldn't get from the website. The agent I spoke with was able to run the numbers for my specific case and it helped me make my decision.
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Amina Toure
btw my friend told me something about survivor benifts being different from spousal so make sure u look into that 2!! if ur husband passes away later the early filing penalty on YOUR benefit doesnt affect survivor benefits the same way!!
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Emma Davis
•This is correct - survivor benefits work differently than spousal benefits. If your husband passes away, you would be eligible for survivor benefits up to 100% of what he was receiving (or would have received if he hadn't filed yet), reduced if you claim before your FRA. Your early filing penalty on your own retirement benefit doesn't affect the survivor benefit calculation in the same way it affects spousal benefits. This is actually an important consideration in your planning - especially since your husband has a significantly higher benefit. The survivor rules are generally more generous than the spousal rules.
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Oliver Zimmermann
DONT TRUST THE SSA CALCULATORS they haven't updated them properly with all the rule changes. My neighbor used it and got a completely wrong estimate. Then when she went to apply they told her something completely different. TYPICAL GOVERNMENT INCOMPETENCE!!!!
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Natasha Volkova
•While the online calculators provide estimates rather than exact amounts, they're generally reliable for basic planning. For complex scenarios involving spousal benefits and early filing, it's always best to speak directly with an SSA representative who can access your complete earnings record and provide personalized calculations. The main limitation with the calculators is that they require you to manually input your earnings history and may not perfectly account for all the nuances of combined retirement/spousal benefit calculations when early filing is involved. They're a good starting point, but not the final word for complex situations.
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GalaxyGuardian
Thank you all so much for the helpful responses! This is much more complicated than I thought, but I understand better now. I'm going to run some calculations to see whether taking my small benefit early is worth the permanent reduction to my eventual spousal benefit. Since we have some savings, I might be able to wait until my FRA. I'll definitely try to speak with SSA directly to get exact numbers for my situation before making a final decision.
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