Social Security earnings limit for self-employed at 63 - exceeded limit, now what?
I started collecting SS retirement benefits last year when I turned 62. I'm still running my small consulting business, and I just realized I went over the earnings limit for 2024. Not by much, maybe $1,500 over the limit, but still over. I'm confused about how self-employment income is calculated for the earnings test. Is it my net profit after expenses? Gross income? I've heard different things, and the SSA website isn't very clear. Also, what's the earnings limit for 2025 when I turn 64? I need to plan better so I don't get hit with an overpayment notice. Anyone dealt with this self-employment situation before?
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Anastasia Smirnova
For self-employment, Social Security looks at your net earnings, not gross. So it's your profit after legitimate business expenses, but before income tax deductions. For 2024, the limit is $22,320 if you're under full retirement age the whole year. For 2025, they haven't announced it yet, but it will likely be around $23,000 given typical COLA increases. Since you went over by $1,500, they'll withhold $1 in benefits for every $2 you exceeded the limit, so about $750 from future payments. They usually adjust this the following year after you file your tax return.
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Diego Chavez
•Thanks, that helps! So they'll take the $750 out of my benefits next year? Do they notify me first or just reduce the payments?
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Sean O'Brien
This earnings limit thing is RIDICULOUS! The government wants seniors to keep working but then PENALIZES us for making money!!! I got hit with a $4,200 overpayment notice last year because I didn't understand these stupid rules. Had to spend HOURS on the phone trying to get a payment plan set up. The whole system is broken!!!
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Zara Shah
•same happened to my dad he just turned 63 and went back to work part time at his old company. SS took 3 months of his checks completely
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Luca Bianchi
I ran into this exact issue last year with my plumbing business. What saved me was tracking ALL my business expenses meticulously. Make sure you're claiming every legitimate business expense - vehicle mileage, home office, equipment, supplies, phone, internet portion used for business, etc. This brought my net earnings down below the limit. Also, the earnings test is monthly, not just annual. If you stop working or reduce hours to stay under the monthly limit ($1,860 in 2024), you can receive full benefits for those months regardless of annual earnings. This is called the Monthly Earnings Test Exception and few people know about it.
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Diego Chavez
•I had no idea about the monthly option! That could help me a lot since my work is seasonal. So if I earn nothing for 4 months of the year, I'd get full benefits those months even if I go over annually?
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GalacticGuardian
I spent two weeks trying to get through to someone at Social Security about this exact question. Finally used a service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) to get through to a real person at SSA without the endless hold times. They have a video showing how it works https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU The agent I spoke with confirmed that for self-employment they look at your net earnings, but they also consider time spent working. If you work more than 45 hours per month in your business, they consider that substantial work even if your net income is below the limit. Fewer than 15 hours is always non-substantial. Between 15-45 hours depends on the skill required.
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Nia Harris
•Wait, so its not just about money but also hours? Didnt know that part. Might have to check out that service cuz i cant ever get thru to ssa
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Mateo Gonzalez
my brother in law had this problem. he talked to his accountant who told him to set up an s-corp instead of doing schedule c. that way he could pay himself a salary under the limit and take the rest as distributions which dont count towards the earnings test. worked for him but probably depends on how much ur making overall
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Anastasia Smirnova
•This is true, but be careful with this approach. The IRS requires S-corps to pay reasonable compensation as salary before taking distributions. If your salary is artificially low, it can trigger an audit. Also, setting up and maintaining an S-corp has costs and paperwork that might outweigh the benefits for smaller businesses.
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Diego Chavez
Update: I called SSA this morning and finally got through after trying for 3 days! The rep confirmed what many of you said - they look at net earnings for self-employment. She also explained that they'll take the adjustment from future benefits next year after I file my taxes. I'm going to track my hours and income more carefully going forward, and I might talk to my accountant about restructuring. Thanks everyone for your help!
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Luca Bianchi
•Great! One other thing to keep in mind - the earnings limit gets higher the year you reach Full Retirement Age (FRA), and then goes away completely the month you hit FRA. So if your FRA is 67, when you turn 67 there's no more earnings limit at all. Makes a big difference for planning!
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