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I'm planning to retire next year at 63 and start collecting my Social Security retirement. I understand there's an earnings limit ($23,660 in 2025 I think?) before they reduce benefits, but I'm confused about what counts as "earnings." I'll be taking distributions from my 401k to supplement my Social Security - around $28,000/year. Do these 401k withdrawals count toward the earnings limit? My financial advisor said they don't count because they're not "earned income" but my brother insists they do and that I'll lose some benefits. Can anyone clarify this for me? I don't want to get hit with unexpected benefit reductions!
I'm 57 and currently receiving survivor benefits from my late husband who passed away three years ago. I've been working part-time as a W-2 employee at a healthcare facility, carefully staying under the annual earnings limit. Now I have an opportunity to do similar work but as an independent contractor with 1099 income instead. I'm confused about how this might affect my survivor benefits. Does Social Security treat 1099 income differently than W-2 earnings when calculating the earnings limit? And is the earnings limit calculated monthly or just annually? I don't want to accidentally go over and have to pay back benefits. Thanks for any insight!
i heard that if u do 1099 work u can do the thing where u put all money into a solo 401k and then it doesnt count for SS earnings test. my tax guy told me that last year but i didnt try it
That's actually incorrect and could get someone in trouble with SSA. For the earnings test, Social Security counts your earnings before any deductions for retirement plans. Contributing to a Solo 401(k) can reduce your income taxes, but not your countable income for the Social Security earnings test. Be careful about getting tax advice that sounds too good to be true.
Thanks everyone for all the helpful information! I'm going to call SSA directly to confirm everything before making my decision. I'll definitely keep careful records of all my business expenses if I go the 1099 route, and make sure to set aside money for quarterly taxes. It seems like self-employment might actually work better for me since I can deduct legitimate business expenses from my countable income. I really appreciate all your insights!
Good plan! One more tip: When you call SSA, ask them about how to submit earnings estimates for the year. They have a form for this, and it helps them adjust your benefits proactively rather than discovering an overpayment later. Also ask them to document your call in your file - that can help protect you if there are questions later about whether you properly reported your work activity.
That's smart to call SSA directly! Just be prepared for long wait times - I've found that calling right when they open at 7am local time usually gets you through faster. Also, if you do switch to 1099 work, consider opening a separate business checking account to keep your contractor income and expenses clearly separated. It makes tax time much easier and gives you better documentation if SSA ever questions your net earnings calculation.
I stopped working completely about 2 years ago but I'm not collecting Social Security benefits yet (waiting until I'm closer to my full retirement age). In the meantime, I've been withdrawing money from an inherited IRA for my living expenses. I have taxes withheld from each withdrawal. My question is: do these IRA withdrawals count in any way toward the 35-year earnings record that Social Security uses to calculate my future benefits? I'm wondering if these withdrawals are somehow being reported as "income" that could potentially increase my future SS payment. Since I'm not earning any wages from actual employment, I'm curious if these withdrawals might help my eventual benefit amount. This might be a silly question, but I want to make sure I understand how all this works before I apply for benefits!
If u do decide to work part time just make sure its real employment where they take out SS taxes. Some contractor jobs don't do that automatically and then you'd have to pay self employment tax yourself.
Just wanted to add one more thing that might be helpful - since you mentioned you're waiting until closer to your full retirement age, make sure you understand the earnings test if you do decide to work part-time. If you claim benefits before your FRA and earn too much from work, SSA will temporarily reduce your benefits (though you get credit for this later). But if you're not claiming benefits yet, you can earn as much as you want without any penalty. This might actually be the perfect time to do some part-time work to boost those final years in your calculation!
I'm facing a decision about my Social Security benefits and need some advice from people who understand all these complicated rules. I'm turning 62 next month and considering taking my retirement benefit early, which would be about $1,450 monthly. My husband is 66 and already receiving his benefit of $3,100 per month. I've heard conflicting information about whether I could start with my reduced benefit now, then switch to a spousal benefit (half of his, which would be $1,550) later, and then when I reach 70, switch back to my own benefit which would have grown to about $1,850 by then. Is this switching strategy still allowed? I thought they changed some rules about this but I'm not sure if it affects my situation. I'm trying to maximize our household income over the long term. Thanks for any help!
Based on everything you've shared - your continued part-time work, your good health, and your husband already receiving benefits - waiting until at least your Full Retirement Age would likely be more advantageous than claiming early. This would avoid both the permanent early claiming reduction and the earnings test reduction. You might even consider waiting until 70 for your maximum benefit, especially if family longevity suggests you'll live well into your 80s or beyond. I recommend using the calculators on SSA.gov to compare different scenarios based on your exact earnings record, or consulting with a financial advisor who specializes in Social Security claiming strategies.
I'm glad you found this discussion helpful! Just to reinforce what others have said - the old "claim and switch" strategies are definitely off the table now. One additional thing to consider: since you mentioned you're in good health and planning to work part-time, you might also want to look into whether those continued earnings could potentially increase your benefit calculation. Social Security uses your highest 35 years of earnings, so if your current part-time work years are higher than some of your earlier lower-earning years, it could bump up your Primary Insurance Amount. The SSA recalculates benefits annually if you have qualifying earnings. Just another factor to weigh as you decide on your timing!
My wife passed away last September at 63 (would've been 64 in December). She had been receiving SSDI since age 61 after her MS made it impossible to continue working. I'll be turning 65 next month and I'm trying to figure out what my survivor benefits might look like if I need to claim them. I'm still working full-time, but my company just announced potential layoffs for Q1 2025, so I'm trying to understand all my options. My big question is: would my survivor benefits be based on what my wife was actually receiving from SSDI (approximately $2,750/month) or would SSA recalculate it as if she had taken early retirement at 61 (which would've been much lower, around $1,950/month)? I have an appointment scheduled with my local SSA office in a few weeks, but I'm anxious to get some sense of what to expect before I go in. Has anyone dealt with similar circumstances? I understand my own retirement benefits calculation, but the survivor benefits rules seem much more complicated.
Thank you all for the helpful information! I've got a much better idea of what to expect now. I'll definitely bring all the documentation mentioned (death certificate, marriage certificate, my latest tax returns, etc.) to my appointment. It sounds like I should expect my survivor benefit to be based on my wife's SSDI amount of $2,750, but reduced to about 91% of that (roughly $2,500) if I claim at age 65. Then the earnings test would further reduce it while I'm still working. I'm thinking the smart strategy might be to file the paperwork now so it's in the system, but only actually claim the benefits if I lose my job. Otherwise, I might be better off waiting until either my FRA or even taking my own benefit at 70. I'll update after my appointment in case it helps anyone else in a similar situation.
That sounds like a solid plan. One small correction though - you can't just "file and suspend" survivor benefits like you described. You either apply and receive the benefits (subject to any reductions) or you don't apply. But what you can do is get everything ready so if you do lose your job, you can apply immediately. And yes, the strategy of taking survivor benefits while letting your own retirement benefit grow until 70 can be very advantageous if your own benefit at 70 would exceed the survivor benefit. This is one of the few remaining "claim now, claim more later" strategies after the 2015 law changes.
I'm so sorry for your loss, Levi. I went through something very similar when my husband passed away at 62 while on SSDI. The good news is that survivor benefits are indeed based on the full SSDI amount your wife was receiving, not what she would have gotten with early retirement. One thing I wish someone had told me earlier - when you go to your SSA appointment, ask them to run both scenarios for you: taking survivor benefits now (reduced) versus waiting until your FRA, and also ask them to calculate what your own retirement benefit would be at 70. Having those numbers side by side really helped me make the best decision. Also, if you do end up needing to apply due to layoffs, the effective date can be the month after your wife passed away, but you have to apply within certain time limits to get retroactive payments. Don't let them tell you it can only start from when you apply - that's not always true for survivor benefits. Keep all your documentation organized and make copies of everything before you go. The process can take a while, but having everything ready upfront helps avoid delays. Wishing you the best with your appointment.
Aaron Lee
One important thing that no one has mentioned is that you should still be aware of Required Minimum Distributions (RMDs) for your 401k. Starting at age 73, you're required to take minimum withdrawals from traditional retirement accounts regardless of whether you need the money. Those withdrawals won't affect your Social Security earnings test, but they are taxable income and can impact how much of your Social Security benefits get taxed.
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Harper Hill
AuthorThanks for bringing that up. I'll need to plan for RMDs in about 10 years. I should probably talk to my financial advisor about strategies to minimize the tax impact when that time comes.
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Connor Gallagher
Just wanted to add another perspective as someone who went through this exact situation. I retired at 62 and was also worried about the 401k withdrawals affecting my Social Security. Everyone here is absolutely right - 401k distributions do NOT count toward the earnings limit. However, one thing to watch out for is if you have any stock options or deferred compensation from your previous employer that vest after retirement. Those CAN count as earnings for the test depending on how they're structured. I almost got caught by this when some restricted stock units vested a few months after I retired. Luckily my HR department flagged it for me. Also, if you're married, make sure your spouse understands these rules too if they're also collecting early benefits. The earnings limits apply individually, not to household income.
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