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How owning an S corp rental property affects Social Security earnings limit after retirement?

I retired early last year at 63 and started collecting Social Security. I own an S corporation that holds a couple rental properties. The properties bring in about $2,600/month in income but I'm not actively managing them - I hired a property manager who handles everything. I'm getting confused about how this rental income through my S corp might count toward the yearly earnings limit ($21,240 for 2025 I think?). My tax guy is on vacation and I've been reading contradicting info online. Some places say S corp distributions don't count toward the earnings test, but others mention something about "substantial services" being the determining factor? Anybody gone through this with Social Security? Really worried about accidentally triggering benefit reductions!

I'm a newcomer to this community but have been dealing with similar retirement income questions. This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm particularly interested in the documentation aspect everyone mentioned. For those who have gone through this process, what specific documents did you keep to prove passive ownership? I'm thinking of setting up an S corp for some rental properties I inherited, but want to make sure I structure everything properly from the start to avoid issues with SSA later. Also, does anyone know if there are differences in how SSA treats inherited rental properties versus ones you purchased yourself? Thanks for all the great information shared here!

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As a newcomer to this community, I've been following this thread closely as I'm considering early retirement next year and have been worried about how my small business income might affect Social Security benefits. Reading through everyone's experiences has been incredibly educational! One thing I'm curious about that hasn't been fully addressed: for those of you who have S corps with rental properties, how do you handle the timing of reporting to SSA? Do you report your expected salary at the beginning of the year, or wait until you know your actual earnings? I'm particularly concerned about accidentally under-reporting and then having issues later if circumstances change. Also, @Andre Dubois - have you been able to connect with SSA yet using the Claimyr service that @Liam O'Donnell mentioned? I'm very interested to hear how that goes since I've had similar frustrations trying to reach someone by phone. Thanks to everyone who has shared their experiences here. This thread has been more helpful than hours of trying to research this topic on my own!

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Welcome to the community @Royal_GM_Mark! Great timing questions about reporting to SSA. From what I've learned reading through this thread and doing my own research, you typically report your expected annual earnings at the beginning of the year through your my Social Security account online. If your circumstances change significantly during the year, you can update your estimate. The key is being conservative in your estimates - it's better to slightly overestimate your salary and get a small adjustment later than to underestimate and face benefit reductions. Since S corp salary is pretty predictable (you set it), this should be straightforward compared to variable income sources. For the timing aspect, I'd suggest reporting your expected S corp salary for the full year, but keep in mind that if you change your salary mid-year or have any other changes, you should update SSA promptly. The Annual Earnings Report that several people mentioned is also important to file accurately. I'm also very curious to hear how @Andre Dubois makes out with the Claimyr service - that phone wait time issue seems to be a common frustration that many of us face when trying to get definitive answers from SSA!

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Can my ex-military husband with no SS credits claim Social Security through me?

I've worked and paid into Social Security my entire adult life (30+ years now). My husband served in the military for 25 years and receives a military pension, but has almost no Social Security work credits since he was career military. We've been married for 20 years, and as we're starting to think about full retirement planning, I'm wondering about Social Security benefits for him. Since he doesn't qualify for SS benefits on his own record, can he claim spousal benefits based on my work record even though he has a military pension? I've heard about government pension offset, but I'm confused about whether military pensions affect Social Security spousal benefits the same way. Does anyone know how this works?

OMG ppl are so lucky with military pensions! My dad worked for the county for 35 years and gets a good pension but when he tried to get any SS from my moms record they said nope because of that GPO thing. makes no sense why military is treated different from other govt workers!

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The difference is that military service members have been paying into Social Security since 1957, while many state and local government employees (like your father) were covered by pension systems that operated outside of Social Security and didn't contribute to it. The GPO was designed to treat government workers who didn't pay into Social Security similarly to dual-earner couples where both spouses paid into the system.

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As someone new to understanding Social Security benefits, this thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm in a somewhat similar situation - my spouse worked for a state agency that didn't pay into Social Security for most of their career, but I've been in the private sector my whole working life. Reading about how military pensions are treated differently than other government pensions really clarifies why we're facing the GPO reduction while military families like yours won't. It sounds like you and your husband are in a much better position than I initially thought when I saw your question. The key takeaway I'm getting is that the type of government service really matters - if Social Security taxes were paid during that service, then GPO doesn't apply. Thanks to everyone for sharing their experiences and knowledge!

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Social Security COLA adjustment letters for 2025 - why did husband get his but I'm still waiting?

Has anyone else not received their 2025 COLA letter from SSA yet? My husband got his Social Security benefit increase letter last week showing his monthly amount will be $1,828 starting January. It's been 9 days and I STILL haven't gotten mine! We usually get them within a day or two of each other. I'm getting anxious because we need to plan our budget for next year. I checked MySocialSecurity online but it only shows my current benefit amount. Are they sending them out in batches? Should I be worried that something's wrong with my account? When did everyone else get their COLA notices?

Anyone else notice the Medicare Part B premium went up again?? That ate up almost half of my COLA increase! Every year they give with one hand and take with the other. My actual increase after the Medicare premium went up was only $32.

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YES! This happens EVERY SINGLE YEAR and nobody talks about it! The COLA is basically meaningless when they just increase the Medicare premiums at the same time. It's all smoke and mirrors to make it look like they're helping seniors when really we're just barely keeping up with inflation.

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I'm in the same boat - still waiting for my COLA letter! My friend who lives across town got hers 10 days ago, but nothing in my mailbox yet. I called the post office thinking it might be a mail delivery issue, but they said SSA mail is usually pretty reliable. It's frustrating not knowing the exact amount for budgeting purposes, especially with all the end-of-year financial planning we need to do. At least it sounds like this is normal based on everyone's experiences here. I'll try that 2.5% calculation method someone mentioned and keep checking my online account in December.

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Social Security survivor benefits with WEP/GPO confusion - husband's police pension

I'm completely lost with my situation and need guidance. My husband (retired police officer) died 3 months ago and I'm being told I don't qualify for ANY Social Security survivor benefits because of his pension. He did pay into Social Security for years before becoming a police officer, but someone mentioned 'windfall elimination' affecting his benefits. His ex-wife received his life insurance payout (apparently she was never removed as beneficiary), and I had to leave my job earlier this year to care for him during his illness. I'm currently on state temporary disability but that ends in January. Between grieving multiple recent losses and trying to understand these complicated pension offset rules, I feel paralyzed. I live in Massachusetts - does anyone understand the Government Pension Offset (GPO) and if there's any way I qualify for survivor benefits? I called SSA twice and got different answers each time.

I'm so sorry for your loss and everything you're going through right now. The combination of grief and navigating these complex benefit rules is overwhelming. Based on what you've shared, I'd strongly recommend bringing a few key documents to your SSA appointment: your husband's death certificate, your marriage certificate, and any records of his police pension amount. Since he worked 12-15 years paying into Social Security before joining the police force, there's a real possibility he earned enough credits for you to receive some survivor benefits, even with the GPO reduction. The fact that you're getting conflicting information over the phone is unfortunately common - getting an in-person appointment for an official determination is definitely the right approach. Also, please don't give up on that $255 death benefit - as his current spouse living with him at the time of death, you should be entitled to it regardless of his ex-wife's status. Take care of yourself during this difficult time.

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I'm so deeply sorry for your loss, and I can only imagine how overwhelming this must feel while you're still grieving. The WEP/GPO rules are incredibly confusing even for people who aren't dealing with loss. Based on what you've shared, you absolutely should pursue this further - don't let phone representatives discourage you from applying. With 12-15 years of Social Security-covered work, your husband likely earned enough quarters to qualify for his own Social Security benefits (you need 40 quarters/10 years). Even though WEP would have reduced his benefit amount, if he qualified for ANY Social Security retirement benefit, you should be eligible for survivor benefits - they'll just be reduced by the GPO formula (2/3 of your pension amount). Also, please fight for that $255 death benefit - the ex-wife being the life insurance beneficiary has nothing to do with the Social Security death benefit, which goes to the surviving spouse who was living with the deceased. Bring your marriage certificate and his death certificate, and don't leave without an official written determination. You deserve clear answers during this difficult time.

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Andre, this is exactly the kind of detailed explanation that's so helpful. I wanted to add that in Massachusetts specifically, there are some additional resources that might help. The MA Dept of Elder Affairs has SHINE counselors (Serving the Health Insurance Needs of Everyone) who are trained specifically on Medicare and Social Security issues, including the complex WEP/GPO calculations. They offer free one-on-one counseling and can even accompany you to SSA appointments if needed. You can find a local SHINE counselor at mass.gov/shine-program. @6021399eecdb - also wanted to mention that if your husband was a union member through his police work, the union might have benefits counselors who understand these pension offset rules well. They sometimes have experience helping surviving spouses navigate exactly this situation. Don't give up - you have advocates out there who want to help you get what you're entitled to.

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Can I start Social Security at 65 after planning to wait until 67? Is there a specific enrollment period?

I've been planning my retirement for years, intending to wait until my Full Retirement Age of 67 to maximize my Social Security benefits. I just turned 65 last month and my circumstances have changed - my health isn't great and I'm really starting to think I should start taking my benefits now rather than waiting 2 more years. My question is: Can I just apply for Social Security retirement benefits anytime I want? Or are there specific enrollment periods I need to be aware of? I know Medicare has strict enrollment windows, but I'm confused about whether Social Security retirement has similar timing restrictions. I'm worried I might have to wait until some annual enrollment period if I decide to start now at 65 instead of my original plan of 67. Any guidance would be appreciated!

anybody know if taking ss early affects spouse benefits?? my wife never worked much

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Great question, though it's tangential to the original post. Yes, when you claim your own retirement benefits affects your spouse in two ways: 1. Your spouse cannot claim spousal benefits based on your record until you've filed for your own benefits 2. If you take reduced benefits by claiming early, it doesn't directly reduce your spouse's spousal benefit percentage (which is up to 50% of your PIA), but it does mean you're bringing less total income into the household If your spouse has her own work record, she should compare her own benefit to the spousal benefit - she'll receive whichever is higher, but not both.

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As someone who went through a similar decision process last year, I can confirm what others have said - there are no enrollment periods for Social Security retirement benefits. You can apply anytime after 62. One thing that really helped me was using the SSA's online retirement estimator to see exactly how much my monthly benefit would be at different claiming ages. The difference between 65 and 67 for me was about $180/month, which sounds like a lot until you factor in getting 24 extra months of payments. Since you mentioned health concerns, you might also want to consider that Social Security has a "do-over" option - if you claim benefits and then change your mind within the first 12 months, you can withdraw your application (you just have to pay back everything you received). This could give you some peace of mind if you're on the fence. The application process itself was straightforward - took me about 45 minutes online, and my first payment arrived about 5 weeks later. Just make sure you have your documents ready (birth certificate, W-2s from last year, bank account info for direct deposit).

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