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As someone who's been navigating Social Security for a few years now, I can confirm what others have said - your financial advisor is absolutely correct! 401k withdrawals do NOT count toward the Social Security earnings limit. I was in a similar boat when I started collecting at 62, taking about $30k annually from my 401k while receiving SS benefits. Never had any issues with benefit reductions because of those withdrawals. The key thing to remember is that the earnings test only looks at "earned income" - wages, salary, self-employment income, etc. Your 401k money was already earned years ago when you were working and contributing to it. Now you're just accessing money you previously saved. Your brother might be thinking of the taxation rules for Social Security benefits, which IS affected by total income including 401k withdrawals. That's a completely separate calculation from the earnings limit though. Two different rules for two different purposes! You should be able to retire comfortably at 63 with your SS and 401k plan without worrying about the earnings limit affecting your benefits.

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Thank you for sharing your experience! It's really reassuring to hear from someone who's actually been through this exact situation. The distinction between the earnings test and benefit taxation rules seems to be where a lot of the confusion comes from - I can see how people (like my brother) might mix them up since they both involve Social Security and income calculations. Your explanation about the 401k money being "already earned" when we contributed it years ago really helps clarify why it doesn't count as current earnings. I feel much more confident about my retirement plan now!

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I'm glad I found this thread because I was having the same exact confusion! I'm 61 and planning to file for Social Security next year at 62, and I've been worried about how my 401k withdrawals would affect my benefits. Reading through everyone's responses has been really educational. It sounds like the consensus is clear that 401k distributions don't count toward the earnings limit, which is a huge relief. I was actually considering delaying my Social Security filing because I thought the 401k money would push me over the limit. One thing I'm still a bit unclear on though - if I do occasional freelance work (I'm a graphic designer), would that count as self-employment income toward the earnings limit even if it's just a few small projects here and there? I'm thinking maybe $3,000-4,000 total per year, nothing major, but I want to make sure I stay under the limit. Also, has anyone here actually had their benefits reduced due to the earnings test? I'd be curious to hear about the process of how Social Security calculates and applies the reduction if it happens.

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I'm so sorry for your loss. This is such a challenging situation to navigate while grieving. I went through something similar when my brother passed and left behind his disabled son. A few practical tips that might help: Start gathering ALL medical documentation NOW - not just recent stuff, but everything from childhood diagnoses, school IEPs, therapy records, everything. SSA wants a complete picture of how the disability affects daily living and work capacity. Also, consider getting a letter from her current doctors specifically addressing her ability to work. They need to understand not just the diagnosis, but how it impacts her functional capacity. One thing that caught me off guard was that they may want to do their own medical evaluation even with extensive records. Don't be surprised if they schedule her for additional appointments. The good news is that with a well-documented case like Down Syndrome, approval rates are generally good. The frustrating part is just the bureaucratic timeline. Stay on top of deadlines and don't hesitate to call if you don't hear back when they say you will. Hang in there - you're doing everything right by planning ahead!

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This is really comprehensive advice, thank you! I hadn't thought about getting a specific letter from her doctors about work capacity - that's a great point. We have tons of medical records but they're scattered across different providers over the years. I'm going to start organizing everything into one folder this weekend. The part about them potentially wanting their own evaluation is good to know too. Did your nephew have to go through that additional evaluation, and if so, how did it go?

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I'm really sorry for your loss - navigating all this while grieving must be incredibly overwhelming. I'm a disability benefits advocate and see families go through this transition regularly. Here's what you should know: Your daughter's benefits will likely continue after 18 since Down Syndrome typically qualifies for adult disabled child benefits, but there WILL be a gap while they process the adult disability determination. This is unavoidable - even with clear-cut cases like Down Syndrome. For your benefits at 62, you're currently receiving "child-in-care" benefits which end when she turns 18 (or if her disability continues, when she's no longer in your care). At that point, you can switch to either widow's benefits (reduced at 62) or your own retirement benefit - whichever is higher. Here's my strongest recommendation: Start the process 6+ months early AND consider consulting with a disability attorney who offers free consultations. They can help ensure all paperwork is complete and may even represent her for free if needed (they only get paid if she's approved). Also, definitely look into setting up an ABLE account or special needs trust now if you haven't - any inheritance or assets need to be handled carefully to protect her future benefits eligibility. The system is frustrating but manageable with proper planning. You've got time to prepare!

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This is excellent advice, especially about getting legal help early. I'm curious about the ABLE account vs special needs trust - what are the main differences and can you have both? We haven't set up either yet and I'm not sure which would be better for our situation. Also, when you mention "child-in-care" benefits ending - does that happen automatically when she turns 18, or only if SSA determines she's no longer disabled? I want to make sure I understand the timing correctly so I can plan our finances accordingly.

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Diego, I've been in a similar situation with survivor benefits and 1099 work. One important thing nobody mentioned yet - make sure you understand that Social Security calculates your net self-employment earnings using Schedule SE, not just Schedule C profit. There's a formula that reduces your net earnings by 7.65% (half of the self-employment tax) before applying the earnings test. This actually works in your favor! Also, consider asking your potential client if they can structure payments to help you stay under the limit - maybe defer some income to January if you're getting close to $23,400 by December. I've found SSA is actually pretty reasonable to work with if you're proactive about reporting and asking questions upfront.

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Thank you Chloe, that's really valuable information about the Schedule SE calculation! I didn't realize there was that additional 7.65% reduction on top of the business expense deductions. That could make a significant difference in staying under the earnings limit. The idea about structuring payments is smart too - I'll definitely discuss timing with the potential client if I decide to move forward. It's reassuring to hear that SSA can be reasonable to work with when you're upfront about everything. This whole thread has been incredibly helpful for understanding all the nuances I need to consider.

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I'm also a widow receiving survivor benefits and considering 1099 work. One thing I learned the hard way is to keep detailed monthly records of your earnings throughout the year, not just annual totals. SSA can ask for month-by-month breakdowns if they review your case. I use a simple spreadsheet to track each payment, the date received, and running totals. Also, if you're doing healthcare contract work, make sure you understand whether you'll be truly independent or if the client might treat you like an employee (which could affect your 1099 status with the IRS). The last thing you want is tax complications on top of the SSA earnings limits. Good luck with your decision!

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This is such practical advice, thank you! I definitely want to avoid any tax complications. The monthly tracking spreadsheet is a great idea - I can see how that would be much easier than trying to reconstruct everything at year-end if SSA has questions. Regarding the employee vs contractor distinction, what are the key things I should look for to make sure I'm truly independent? I want to make sure the arrangement is structured properly from the start to avoid issues with both the IRS and SSA down the road.

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Based on everything you've shared - your continued part-time work, your good health, and your husband already receiving benefits - waiting until at least your Full Retirement Age would likely be more advantageous than claiming early. This would avoid both the permanent early claiming reduction and the earnings test reduction. You might even consider waiting until 70 for your maximum benefit, especially if family longevity suggests you'll live well into your 80s or beyond. I recommend using the calculators on SSA.gov to compare different scenarios based on your exact earnings record, or consulting with a financial advisor who specializes in Social Security claiming strategies.

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Thank you so much for this advice. I think I've decided to wait at least until my Full Retirement Age before claiming anything. I'll use the SSA calculators to get more precise numbers for my situation. This discussion has been incredibly helpful!

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I'm glad you found this discussion helpful! Just to reinforce what others have said - the old "claim and switch" strategies are definitely off the table now. One additional thing to consider: since you mentioned you're in good health and planning to work part-time, you might also want to look into whether those continued earnings could potentially increase your benefit calculation. Social Security uses your highest 35 years of earnings, so if your current part-time work years are higher than some of your earlier lower-earning years, it could bump up your Primary Insurance Amount. The SSA recalculates benefits annually if you have qualifying earnings. Just another factor to weigh as you decide on your timing!

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That's a great point about the annual recalculation! I hadn't considered that my part-time earnings might actually help boost my benefit amount. I've been working for over 40 years, but some of my early career years were pretty low income, so these part-time earnings at a higher rate could definitely replace some of those lower years. This gives me even more reason to keep working and wait to claim. Thanks for adding that perspective!

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Thank you all for the helpful information! I've got a much better idea of what to expect now. I'll definitely bring all the documentation mentioned (death certificate, marriage certificate, my latest tax returns, etc.) to my appointment. It sounds like I should expect my survivor benefit to be based on my wife's SSDI amount of $2,750, but reduced to about 91% of that (roughly $2,500) if I claim at age 65. Then the earnings test would further reduce it while I'm still working. I'm thinking the smart strategy might be to file the paperwork now so it's in the system, but only actually claim the benefits if I lose my job. Otherwise, I might be better off waiting until either my FRA or even taking my own benefit at 70. I'll update after my appointment in case it helps anyone else in a similar situation.

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That sounds like a solid plan. One small correction though - you can't just "file and suspend" survivor benefits like you described. You either apply and receive the benefits (subject to any reductions) or you don't apply. But what you can do is get everything ready so if you do lose your job, you can apply immediately. And yes, the strategy of taking survivor benefits while letting your own retirement benefit grow until 70 can be very advantageous if your own benefit at 70 would exceed the survivor benefit. This is one of the few remaining "claim now, claim more later" strategies after the 2015 law changes.

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I'm so sorry for your loss, Levi. I went through something very similar when my husband passed away at 62 while on SSDI. The good news is that survivor benefits are indeed based on the full SSDI amount your wife was receiving, not what she would have gotten with early retirement. One thing I wish someone had told me earlier - when you go to your SSA appointment, ask them to run both scenarios for you: taking survivor benefits now (reduced) versus waiting until your FRA, and also ask them to calculate what your own retirement benefit would be at 70. Having those numbers side by side really helped me make the best decision. Also, if you do end up needing to apply due to layoffs, the effective date can be the month after your wife passed away, but you have to apply within certain time limits to get retroactive payments. Don't let them tell you it can only start from when you apply - that's not always true for survivor benefits. Keep all your documentation organized and make copies of everything before you go. The process can take a while, but having everything ready upfront helps avoid delays. Wishing you the best with your appointment.

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Thank you so much for your condolences and this really helpful advice, Omar. I hadn't thought about asking them to run all three scenarios side by side - that's brilliant and will definitely help me make the most informed decision. The point about retroactive payments is especially important to know. I was under the impression I could only get benefits starting from when I apply, so I'll make sure to ask about that specifically. I'm getting more confident about this appointment now that I have a better sense of what questions to ask and what documentation to bring. It's reassuring to hear from people who've been through this process successfully, even though I know everyone's situation is a bit different. Did you end up taking the survivor benefits right away or did you wait? I'm curious how the decision worked out for you.

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