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Confused about spouse getting 50% of husband's Social Security while he still gets full amount - how does this work?

I'm really confused about how Social Security spousal benefits work. My neighbor is 67 and has barely worked outside the home - maybe 7 years total under Social Security. Her husband is also 67 and still working while collecting his full retirement benefit. She told me she's getting half of his Social Security amount even though she hardly paid into the system herself. And get this - he still gets his FULL amount, no reduction! I thought if someone gets benefits based on your record, your own check gets smaller? I'm approaching retirement age myself and trying to understand how this all works. Is this spousal benefit thing real or am I misunderstanding something? Could someone explain how she qualifies for half when she barely contributed?

Mei Wong

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This is absolutely normal and how spousal benefits are designed to work. Your neighbor is receiving what's called a "spousal benefit" because it's more than what she'd get based on her own work record. The key facts: 1. When a person files at their Full Retirement Age (FRA), they can get up to 50% of their spouse's Primary Insurance Amount (PIA) 2. The working spouse's benefit is NEVER reduced when a spousal benefit is paid 3. The spouse with the lower benefit doesn't need many work credits - just 40 quarters (10 years) to qualify for their own benefit, but can get spousal benefits with no work history at all If your neighbor worked only 5-7 years, her own benefit would be very small. Social Security automatically pays the higher of either her own benefit or the spousal benefit (but not both).

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GalaxyGlider

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Thank you so much for explaining! So his check doesn't get reduced at all? That seems so generous of the system. Do they both have to be at full retirement age for this to work? What if one of them had claimed early?

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Liam Sullivan

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my parents have this same setup!! mom gets half of dads ss even tho she was mostly stay at home. its a great deal if you ask me! the gov't actually does something right for once lol

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Mei Wong

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To answer your follow-up question - if either spouse claims before their Full Retirement Age (FRA), there are reductions: 1. If the working spouse claims early, their benefit is permanently reduced, which also reduces the maximum spousal benefit (since it's based on 50% of the worker's PIA) 2. If the spouse claiming spousal benefits files before their own FRA, their spousal benefit is reduced (approximately 25% reduction if claiming at 62) Since both your neighbors are 67, they're both at or past their FRA (which would be 66 and a few months for their birth years), so they're getting the maximum possible amounts.

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Amara Okafor

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WAIT SO THE WORKING SPOUSE DOESNT LOSE ANYTHING??? My wife never worked but I told her not to apply for SS because I thought it would reduce MY benefit!! She's 68 now and I've been collecting for 2 years! Have we been leaving money on the table all this time????

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I think I can explain why this seems confusing. You're mixing up two different Social Security concepts: 1. Spousal benefits: One spouse can get up to 50% of the other's benefit amount without reducing the working spouse's benefit at all. This is what your neighbors have. 2. Family maximum: There's a cap on total benefits paid to a family on one worker's record, but this mainly applies when there are children or multiple dependents involved, not just a spouse. The spousal benefit was designed specifically to help families where one person (historically often women) stayed home or worked less to raise children. It recognizes the non-financial contribution to the family.

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My sister tried to do this but they told her she couldn't get the spousal benefit because she had a pension from teaching. Something called WEP or GPO I think? Really unfair!

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You're referring to the Government Pension Offset (GPO), which is different from the Windfall Elimination Provision (WEP). The GPO reduces spousal/survivor benefits for people who receive pensions from jobs not covered by Social Security (like some teaching positions). It can reduce spousal benefits by two-thirds of the pension amount, sometimes eliminating the spousal benefit entirely. This doesn't apply to everyone though - only to those with non-covered pensions.

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StarStrider

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GalaxyGlider

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There's another important point about spousal benefits I don't see mentioned yet. If the spouse with the lower benefit amount has ANY work history, Social Security will pay their own benefit first, then add enough of the spousal benefit to reach the 50% mark. For example, if your neighbor earned enough for a $400 monthly benefit on her own record, and her husband's benefit is $2,500, she'd get: - $400 (her own benefit) - $850 (spousal benefit - enough to reach $1,250, which is 50% of $2,500) Total: $1,250 She doesn't get both benefits added together. It's her own benefit PLUS enough spousal benefits to reach the 50% threshold.

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Liam Sullivan

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oh wow i didnt know that! i thought u got either ur own benefit OR the spouse benefit, whichever was bigger. thats good to know

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Something nobody has mentioned yet - if your neighbor's husband dies before she does, her benefit would increase. As a widow, she would be eligible for 100% of what he was receiving (instead of the 50% spousal benefit). This is called the survivor benefit and is another way Social Security protects spouses who have limited work history of their own. Just something to keep in mind about how the program works overall.

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GalaxyGlider

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Thank you all for the helpful explanations! This makes so much more sense now. It's amazing that married couples can really maximize their benefits this way. My husband and I are both approaching retirement age and I worked part-time for many years, so I'll definitely be looking into whether the spousal benefit might be better for me. Feeling much more confident about our retirement planning now!

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