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My mom just went thru this last month! She applied online and everything worked fine... they even backpaid her for the month she turned FRA even tho she applied a little late.
They can backpay up to 6 months from when you apply, but ONLY if those months are after your FRA. If you apply late but still within that window you don't lose anything.
Thanks everyone for the helpful information! Just to make sure I've got this straight: 1. Apply 3-4 months before August 2025 2. I'll be eligible for full benefits for the entire month of August even though I turn FRA on the 14th 3. My first payment will arrive in September (3rd Wednesday) 4. The earnings test won't apply to me at all once I reach FRA in August This is all much clearer now. The SSA website is so confusing with all the different rules!
You've got it exactly right! And don't worry about the confusion - the Social Security rules are complicated even for people who work with them regularly. Good luck with your retirement!
my friend remarried at 62 and kept her dead husbands ss check but i think she gets a lot less than she would if she stayed single. the whole system is so confusing!
Your friend's situation might be different. If she was receiving survivor benefits and remarried after 60, she should keep getting the same survivor benefit amount. It doesn't get reduced upon remarriage after 60. However, if she was getting spousal benefits from an ex-spouse who was still alive (not survivor benefits), those DO stop upon remarriage at any age. Many people confuse these different types of benefits.
Anyone else notice how they ALWAYS want to do ANOTHER medical review even when you've been approved for years?? My brother has been disabled since birth (literally) and they STILL make him do reviews every 3 years like he's suddenly going to be cured!! The whole system is designed to wear you down so you give up!!
Also wanted to mention that you should check to see if you qualify for SSI while your waiting to hit 62. Some people forget about that option if they have limited income and resources.
This is potentially misleading. SSI (Supplemental Security Income) is needs-based and has very strict income and resource limits. You must have less than $2,000 in countable resources ($3,000 for couples) and very limited income. It's also not related to work credits or marriage history - it's purely a needs-based program for people with limited resources who are aged 65+, blind, or disabled. The original poster should certainly check eligibility if they have very limited resources, but SSI is not a standard "waiting" option for people approaching retirement age unless they meet those strict criteria.
I just realized something else I should have mentioned - I did work part-time for many years but it was all under the table (cleaning houses) so I never paid into Social Security. I'm wondering if that affects anything or if there's any way to count some of that work now?
Unfortunately, work that wasn't reported to the IRS ("under the table") doesn't count toward Social Security credits. There's no way to retroactively claim those earnings now without potentially triggering tax issues for those prior years. However, if you're still working, even part-time, you could start building credits now. You need 40 credits (10 years of work) to qualify for retirement benefits on your own record. In 2025, you earn one credit for each $1,750 in covered earnings, up to 4 credits per year. If collecting on your ex-spouse's record is your best option, that's perfectly fine. Just be aware that if you do accumulate enough credits for your own benefit, SSA will pay your own benefit first, and then supplement it with ex-spouse benefits if your ex's record would provide a higher amount.
I just used that Claimyr service someone mentioned above last week when I was trying to resolve an issue with my RIB application. It worked really well - got through to an agent in about 15 minutes instead of the 3+ hours I spent on my previous attempts. Just wanted to confirm it's legitimate since I was skeptical at first.
ALSO!!! Don't forget you can actually claim BOTH benefits at different times! Some people don't realize you can take survivor benefits at FRA (getting 100% of deceased spouse's PIA) while letting your OWN retirement benefit grow until 70. OR if your own benefit at FRA is higher than survivor, take your retirement at FRA and switch to survivor at 70. Run the numbers both ways!
This strategy would have been excellent advice several years ago, but unfortunately the law changed with the Bipartisan Budget Act of 2015. Now, if you were born after January 1, 1954, you must file for all benefits you're eligible for at the same time. The SSA will pay the higher amount, but you can't switch between them anymore. Since the original poster is turning 70 next month, they were likely born after the cutoff date and wouldn't be able to employ this strategy.
omg i remember when I got slapped with an overpayment notice for $12k from SSA because of some weird calculation with my sons SSI and my work. i fought it for like 8 months and they eventually reduced it but it was such a nightmare. document EVERYTHING. save all letters, take notes of every call with who you talked to and what they said. trust me on this one!!
Based on everything you've shared, I recommend taking these specific actions: 1. Visit your local SSA office in person (make an appointment first) and bring: - All pay stubs showing your PCA income year-to-date - A written statement detailing your work activity - Your concerns about potential overpayment 2. Request to speak with a Technical Expert or Claims Specialist specifically about the interaction between child-in-care benefits and the earnings test 3. Ask for a written explanation of how your specific state's PCA program income is counted for earnings test purposes 4. Consider requesting voluntary suspension of benefits until this is resolved 5. Set up an SSA online account if you haven't already to monitor your benefits The child-in-care benefit is subject to the annual earnings test, but there can be complexities with how certain types of income are counted. Getting clear documentation now will help protect you later.
Thank you for this detailed action plan! I'll call tomorrow to set up an in-person appointment. I do have an SSA online account but it doesn't show much detail about the earnings test calculations. Your advice about asking for a Technical Expert is really helpful - I didn't know to ask for someone with that specific title.
I'm in a similar boat waiting for Medicare reimbursement after starting widow's benefits last month. Has anyone received their reimbursement via direct deposit, or do they send a paper check? I'm worried about missing a check in the mail since I've had mail delivery problems in my neighborhood.
they use whatever method u get ur regular ss payments. if u do direct deposit for ss then the medicare money comes same way
Update: I finally got through to SSA this morning! The representative confirmed they have the correct start date for my Medicare (August 2022) despite what the letter said. She told me the Medicare reimbursement should come within 6-8 weeks as a separate payment. She also noted that I'll see the reimbursement pending in my MySocialSecurity account before it hits my bank account. Thanks everyone for your help and sharing your experiences. I'll update again when I receive the payment!
That's great news! Glad you were able to get through and get confirmation. The MySocialSecurity account tip is especially helpful - I'll remember that for the future. Fingers crossed your reimbursement comes on the shorter end of that timeframe!
just wonderin - how long were u married to ur ex? cuz i think theres a 10 yr rule for ex-spouse benefits. if u were married less than 10 yrs u might not be eligible anyway
We were married for 14 years, so I definitely meet that requirement! I've done some research and I know I need to have been married at least 10 years, not be currently remarried (my husband passed, so I'm not), and my ex needs to have been eligible for Social Security (which he was). So I think I qualify on all counts.
Based on all the information shared, here's what will likely happen: 1. Your phone interview on December 10th will proceed as scheduled 2. You'll explain the death certificate delay situation 3. SSA will take your application and mark it pending until the certificate arrives 4. Once you submit the certificate in January, they'll finish processing your claim 5. If approved, benefits will be paid retroactive to your application date (or the appropriate entitlement date) One important note: Since you're already receiving survivor benefits on your husband's record, SSA will determine which benefit amount is higher. You won't receive both - just the higher of the two amounts. The good news is that this switch is usually pretty straightforward since SSA already has most of your information in their system from your current claim.
Thank you for breaking it down so clearly! That makes perfect sense. And yes, I understand I'll only get the higher of the two benefit amounts - my ex-husband's benefit would be about $780 more per month than what I'm currently receiving, so it's definitely worth making the switch. I appreciate everyone's help with this!
To follow up on your question about earnings - SSA counts GROSS earnings toward the limit, not net after taxes. And they count it when earned, not when paid (except for special payments like bonuses or accumulated vacation pay). Given that you're only $320 below the annual earnings limit, you might want to keep careful track of your income throughout the year. Going over by even a small amount could trigger withholding of some of your widow benefits.
That's really helpful, thank you! I'll track my earnings carefully. Would it be better to apply for widow benefits after the start of the new year when the earnings limit might increase a bit? Or should I just be careful with my hours for the rest of this year?
One more important point - when you do go to apply for your own retirement benefits at 67, make sure you specifically tell SSA you want to SWITCH from widow benefits to retirement benefits. Don't simply say you want to "apply for retirement" or they might just give you a small increase instead of recalculating the full amount you're entitled to based on your work record. Also, you can actually file for this switch online through your my Social Security account when the time comes, which might be easier than dealing with representatives who may not understand the rules.
This is excellent advice! I'll definitely remember to be specific about switching from widow to retirement benefits when I turn 67. I didn't realize I could do this online - that's much better than trying to explain everything to a representative who might not understand. Thank you!
Check if they didnt take out taxes earlier!!!! My brother had extra withholding applied to his acct by mistake after filing a W4-V years ago. They suddenly "fixed" it and sent him back money from earlier this year. No explanation til he got a letter weeks later!!
UPDATE: You all were right! I finally got a letter in the mail today explaining the payment. It was indeed a Medicare IRMAA adjustment based on my 2023 tax return showing lower income than 2021. They had me in a higher premium bracket and are refunding the difference for the first part of 2024. Mystery solved! Thank you all for your help and suggestions!
Glad you got it figured out! This is actually happening to a lot of people right now as 2023 tax returns are processed. The IRMAA adjustments can take people by surprise, both when they go up and when they result in refunds like yours.
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Luca Russo
I used that Claimyr service someone mentioned above last week after trying for DAYS to reach SS about my disability review. It actually works! Got through in like 15min after spending hours getting busy signals. Way better than waiting on hold forever or getting hung up on.
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Mateo Sanchez
•Really?? might try it... spent 2 hrs on hold yesterday & then they HUNG UP ON ME when someone finally answered!!! SS phone system is THE WORST!!
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NebulaNinja
One strategy to consider: if you know which months you'll earn over $1,950 in 2025, you could ask SSA to suspend your benefits just for those specific months. This way, you won't have an overpayment to deal with later. Then in 2026, when only the annual limit applies, you can adjust your work schedule as needed throughout the year as long as your total stays under the limit. Just make sure to report your expected earnings to SSA in advance.
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Zara Mirza
•That's a smart approach I hadn't considered. I know exactly which months I'll be over the limit (June-August), so maybe I should just have them suspend my benefits for summer and restart in September. Thanks for this suggestion!
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