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Social Security survivor benefit confusion - does delayed filing at 70 actually help widow when spouse filed early?

I'm totally confused about survivor benefits strategy after reading conflicting advice. My situation: I'm 60 (born in 1965) and my husband is 63 (born in 1962). We've both worked full careers (I did 38 years, he did 42) with similar earnings - our SS projections only differ by about $100 (his is higher). Our original plan was for him to wait until 70 to maximize his benefit (and presumably create the highest survivor benefit if he passes first), while I'd file at 62 to get some income flowing. But now I'm second-guessing everything. I recently read that a widow(er) doesn't actually get the deceased spouse's age 70 amount, but instead gets a percentage of their FRA amount? And worse, if I've already filed early at 62, I'd get a REDUCED percentage of his FRA amount because I filed early? This seems to contradict the standard advice of "higher earner waits, lower earner files early." If I file at 62 and my husband dies after he's turned 70, have I permanently reduced what I could get as a survivor benefit? I understand if he died first, I could take survivor benefits and let my own benefit grow until 70, but I'm specifically confused about the scenario where I've ALREADY filed early and THEN he passes away later. Would filing early at 62 permanently restrict my survivor benefit? Sorry if this sounds morbid, but we're trying to make the smartest financial decisions for whichever one of us ends up alone. Thanks for any clarity!

As someone new to this community but dealing with similar retirement planning questions, I want to thank everyone for this incredibly helpful discussion! The distinction between early filing reductions on your own benefit versus survivor benefit reductions based on when you claim survivor benefits is something I had completely misunderstood. Carmen, your situation really resonates with me - my spouse and I are also close in age with similar earnings, and I've been getting conflicting advice about optimal claiming strategies. The clarification that your husband's delayed retirement credits DO carry over to survivor benefits, but the reduction to YOUR survivor benefit depends on YOUR age when you claim it (not when you claimed your own benefit) is a game-changer for my planning. One follow-up question for the group: For couples with very similar benefit amounts like Carmen's situation, has anyone done the math on whether it's better to have both spouses delay to 70, or stick with the traditional "higher earner delays, lower earner files early" approach? It seems like when the benefit amounts are nearly identical, the survivor benefit protection might be similar either way, so maybe cash flow needs should drive the decision more than survivor planning? Thanks again for all the detailed explanations - this is exactly the kind of real-world insight that's so hard to find elsewhere!

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Welcome to the community, Nick! You're asking exactly the right question about couples with similar benefits. I've been following this thread closely and think you've hit on something important that most generic advice misses. From what I've learned here, when benefits are nearly identical like yours and Carmen's situation, the "higher earner delays" strategy loses much of its advantage. If both spouses have similar longevity expectations and good health, having both delay could actually provide better overall household income and equivalent survivor protection. The key insight from this discussion is that survivor benefits aren't permanently reduced by early filing of your own benefit - they're reduced based on when you claim the survivor benefit itself. So if both spouses delay to 70, the survivor gets maximum protection either way, plus you both benefit from the 8% annual increases while you're both alive. I'd love to see someone run the actual numbers on this scenario. It seems like for couples with similar earnings and ages, cash flow needs and both partners' health/longevity outlook might be more important factors than the traditional claiming strategies designed for couples with bigger age or income gaps. Has anyone in the community actually compared these approaches with similar benefit amounts?

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This has been such an enlightening discussion! I'm also new to this community and facing similar retirement planning decisions. What strikes me most is how the "conventional wisdom" about Social Security claiming strategies really breaks down when you dig into the specifics, especially for couples like Carmen's with similar ages and earnings. The key breakthrough for me in this thread was understanding that survivor benefits have their own reduction schedule completely separate from your own retirement benefit reductions. I had the same misconception as Carmen - that filing early would permanently reduce any future survivor benefits. One thing I'd add for couples in similar situations: given that your benefits are only $100 apart, you might want to also consider which spouse has better longevity indicators (health, family history, lifestyle factors). Even with similar benefit amounts, if one spouse is statistically likely to live longer, having that person delay to 70 could provide better overall household outcomes. Also, don't forget about spousal benefits! Even though your individual benefits are similar, one of you might be able to claim spousal benefits at FRA while letting your own benefit grow to 70. This strategy might still be available depending on your exact birth dates and the timing differences. Thanks to everyone who shared their knowledge and experiences - this is exactly why community discussions are so valuable for complex topics like Social Security planning!

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One last thing to consider: any benefits withheld due to excess earnings aren't permanently lost. When you reach Full Retirement Age, SSA recalculates your benefit amount to give you credit for months when benefits were withheld. It's not a simple 1:1 return, but you do eventually recoup some of what was withheld. Many people don't realize this aspect of the earnings test!

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I had no idea! That's great to know. So even if I accidentally go over the limit, it's not a complete loss. Thanks for pointing this out.

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I'm new to this community but wanted to share my experience since I went through this exact situation last year. I was also confused about the earnings test when I started collecting at 62 while still doing some freelance work. The key thing that helped me was understanding that SSA looks at when you EARN the money, not when you receive it. So if you do contract work in January but don't get paid until March, it counts toward January's earnings for the monthly test. This matters because if you go over the annual limit, they look at it month by month to see which months to withhold benefits. Also, just wanted to add that if you're thinking about timing when to start benefits, remember that your monthly benefit amount increases by about 8% for each year you delay past your full retirement age (up to age 70). So even though the earnings test goes away at FRA, there's still a financial incentive to wait if you can afford to. But everyone's situation is different - sounds like you've done your homework on what income counts!

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Welcome to the community! That's a really important point about the timing of when earnings are counted vs when you receive payment. I hadn't thought about that aspect before. The monthly breakdown makes sense too - if someone has uneven contract income throughout the year, they could potentially lose benefits only for the months they went over the monthly limit rather than the whole year. Do you know what the monthly limit is? Is it just the annual limit divided by 12, or is there a different calculation?

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One last tip: If you want to verify the numbers yourself, you can use the AnyPIA software that SSA uses internally. It's available for public download from the SSA website. It's not user-friendly at all, but if you're technically inclined and want to check their math, it's an option. Just search for "AnyPIA download" on SSA.gov. The other alternative is to consult with a financial advisor who specializes in Social Security claiming strategies. They typically charge $200-300 for a comprehensive analysis, but it might be worth it if you're making decisions that affect decades of benefits.

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I had no idea they made their calculation software available! I'm fairly tech-savvy so I might give that a try. But the financial advisor route sounds good too - do you happen to know how to find advisors who truly specialize in SS rather than just general retirement planning?

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Look for advisors who have the NSSA certification (National Social Security Advisor). They've completed specific training on Social Security rules. You can find them through the NSSA website or sometimes through your local Area Agency on Aging.

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This is such a helpful thread! I'm in a similar situation and have been putting off dealing with this because it seems so overwhelming. Reading through everyone's experiences, it sounds like the key is being really specific about what you ask for when you contact SSA. I'm definitely going to try Giovanni's advice about requesting a RETRY computation and asking for a Technical Expert. The fact that people are getting wildly different numbers from different reps is terrifying - I can't afford to base my retirement planning on incorrect information. One question for those who have been through this: How far in advance of when you want to claim should you start this verification process? I'm wondering if I should get my calculations verified now even though I'm not planning to claim for another 2-3 years, just so I have time to sort out any discrepancies. Also, thank you Aiden for mentioning the NSSA certification - I had no idea that existed! That seems like a much better way to find qualified help than just googling "financial advisor.

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Great question about timing! I'd recommend starting the verification process at least 6-12 months before you plan to claim. That gives you plenty of time to resolve any discrepancies or errors without feeling rushed into a decision. Plus, your earnings record could still change if you're working, so checking too early might not give you the final numbers anyway. I learned this the hard way - I waited until 3 months before my 67th birthday to start the process and ended up feeling pressured to make decisions quickly when there were calculation errors. Having that buffer time would have been so much less stressful! Also, if you do find errors in your earnings record during this process, those can take months to correct, so definitely don't wait until the last minute.

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I went through this process with my son who has autism spectrum disorder about two years ago. One thing I wish I had known beforehand is to bring a support person if possible - the interview can be emotionally draining when you're discussing your child's limitations in detail. The interviewer will likely ask you to describe a typical week for your son, including any activities, therapies, or programs he participates in. They want to understand his daily functioning level and support needs. Don't be afraid to mention things like: - How long it takes him to complete simple tasks - What happens when his routine is disrupted - His communication barriers and how they affect daily life - Any safety concerns that require supervision Also, if your son has ever had a job coach assessment or participated in any work-readiness programs through school, bring those reports. Even if they show he needs extensive support, that documentation is valuable evidence. The interview itself felt very clinical and focused, which actually helped keep my emotions in check. The representative took detailed notes and asked follow-up questions when she needed clarification. One last tip: after the interview, ask for a timeline of next steps and try to get contact information for checking on status. The waiting period is tough, but having some sense of the process helps. You're doing everything right by preparing so thoroughly!

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Thank you for mentioning the emotional aspect - I hadn't thought about bringing a support person, but that's a really good idea. My sister has offered to come with me for moral support, and now I think I'll take her up on that offer. You're right that discussing your child's limitations in clinical detail can be emotionally challenging, even when you know it's necessary. The point about asking for a timeline and contact information is especially helpful. I've already experienced how difficult it is to get through to SSA by phone, so having some way to check on status would be invaluable during the waiting period. I do have some job coach assessments from his transition planning at school that clearly document his need for constant supervision and prompting. Even simple tasks like sorting required step-by-step verbal cues and frequent redirection. I'll make sure to bring all of that documentation. Your advice about describing a typical week is really useful too. I can walk them through his structured routine and explain how any deviation from that routine causes significant distress and requires additional support to manage. This community has been so helpful in preparing me for what to expect - I feel much more confident going into Friday's interview now.

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I can tell from reading through all these responses that you're incredibly well-prepared for your interview! As someone who works with families navigating disability services, I wanted to add one more practical tip that might help. Consider bringing a simple checklist of the key points you want to cover during the interview. When emotions run high (which is completely normal when discussing your child's challenges), it's easy to forget important details. Having a written list can help ensure you don't leave the interview wishing you had mentioned something crucial. Also, remember that this interview is just the beginning of the process - it's not a pass/fail moment. The interviewer's job is to gather information to start the disability determination. Even if you feel like you didn't explain something perfectly, there will be opportunities to provide additional documentation and clarification throughout the process. Your son is fortunate to have such a dedicated advocate. The level of preparation and research you've done shows how committed you are to ensuring he gets the support he needs. Take a deep breath - you've got this! Looking forward to hearing how it goes.

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This is such thoughtful advice about bringing a checklist! I've been taking notes throughout this entire conversation and will definitely organize them into a simple reference sheet I can glance at during the interview. You're absolutely right that emotions can make you forget important details, and I'd hate to walk out realizing I forgot to mention something crucial about his support needs. Your reminder that this is just the information-gathering phase really helps with my anxiety too. I've been putting so much pressure on myself to get everything "perfect" in this one interview, but knowing there will be other opportunities to provide documentation throughout the process takes some of that pressure off. This community has been incredible - I went from feeling completely overwhelmed and unprepared to having a clear plan and realistic expectations. I can't thank everyone enough for sharing their experiences and practical advice. I'll definitely come back and update everyone on how the interview goes on Friday. Feeling much more confident now that I know what to expect and have all the right documentation organized. Thank you all for the support!

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Great advice from everyone here! I'm also navigating Social Security planning and wanted to add one more resource that might help. You can create a my Social Security account online at ssa.gov to get personalized benefit estimates and see your earnings history. This can help you verify the numbers you're working with before making any claiming decisions. Also, regarding the documentation Sarah mentioned - yes, you'll definitely need your marriage certificate for survivor benefits, but also make sure you have your husband's death certificate when that time comes (hopefully far in the future!). The SSA is very particular about having original documents or certified copies. Your plan to wait 18 months and get everything in writing sounds very smart. The earnings test really can complicate things if you're still working, and the permanent reduction from claiming early is significant. Better to be patient and maximize your benefits!

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As someone who just went through the Social Security claiming process at 63, I wanted to share a few additional insights that might help with your planning: First, the my Social Security account that Chloe mentioned is absolutely essential - but double-check those earnings records! I found several years where my earnings weren't properly credited, which would have reduced my benefit calculation. You have to report discrepancies before you claim. Second, regarding the in-person appointment strategy - that's smart, but call ahead to schedule. Many offices are still operating with limited walk-in availability post-COVID. When I went in person last year, they were booking appointments 3-4 weeks out. One thing I wish someone had told me: if you're planning to work part-time after claiming, keep detailed records of your monthly earnings. The earnings test is applied annually, but if you go over in some months and under in others, having good documentation can help if there are any disputes about withholding. Your husband did great by waiting until 70 - that delayed retirement credit really adds up! Given his higher benefit amount, your survivor benefit strategy makes a lot of sense. Just make sure to periodically review the numbers as you get closer to your planned claiming date, since the calculations can change slightly with cost-of-living adjustments.

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This is such valuable real-world advice! I hadn't thought about checking my earnings records for errors - that's definitely something I need to do before making any decisions. It's scary to think that missing or incorrect earnings data could reduce my benefits without me even knowing it. The tip about scheduling appointments in advance is really helpful too. I was planning to just walk in, but I'd rather wait a few weeks for a scheduled appointment than waste time being turned away. One question about the earnings records - if I find discrepancies, how far back can I go to correct them? I've been working for over 40 years and honestly can't remember all my different jobs, especially from the early years when record-keeping wasn't as digital as it is now.

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