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Can I switch SS survivor benefits between deceased spouses at FRA? Multiple spouse question

I'm really confused about switching survivor benefits between two deceased spouses. I'm 63 and have been collecting reduced survivor benefits from my first husband since I was 60. He passed away in 2019. My second husband (we divorced in 2015 after 12 years) just passed away last month, and his benefit would be higher at 100% than what I'm currently getting. My friend told me I can switch to my second husband's survivor benefit when I reach my FRA (which is 67), but when I called SSA the rep seemed uncertain and said something about not being able to switch because both were deceased when I started collecting. Is this correct? Does it matter that my second husband was still alive when I started collecting on my first husband? Also, I'm wondering about a completely different scenario for my sister. She's turning 62 next year and has two ex-husbands (both still living, both marriages lasted over 10 years). If she takes spousal benefits from ex #1 at 62, can she later switch to ex #2's benefit at her FRA if that would be higher? Or does she need to wait until FRA to make any claim to maximize her options? I've spent hours on the SSA website and I'm more confused now than when I started. These survivor/spousal rules between multiple spouses are so complicated!

I just wanted to thank everyone for all the helpful information! I feel so much better knowing I CAN switch to my second husband's survivor benefit when I reach FRA, regardless of when each spouse passed away. I've been stressing about this for weeks! I'll pass the information along to my sister about her spousal benefit situation too. It sounds like she should probably wait until her FRA if she wants to maximize her options, or at least carefully compare both ex-spouses' benefit amounts before making any decisions. I'm still nervous about dealing with SSA when the time comes to make the switch, but at least now I know what to expect and that I'm entitled to make this change. I really appreciate all your experiences and expertise!

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You're very welcome! One more tip: when you're ready to make the switch at your FRA, call and schedule an appointment specifically with a "Technical Expert" or "Claims Specialist" rather than just any Claims Representative. These are the higher-level staff who handle complex situations like yours. Ask for this specifically when you call, and you'll have a much better experience.

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I'm dealing with a somewhat similar situation and this thread has been incredibly helpful! My husband passed away 6 months ago, and I'm currently 61. I was planning to wait until my FRA at 67 to claim survivor benefits to get the full 100%, but I'm wondering if there's any advantage to claiming reduced survivor benefits now and then potentially switching later if I remarry and that spouse passes away. Does anyone know if the "switch at FRA" rule still applies if you're switching FROM survivor benefits TO different survivor benefits, rather than from your own retirement benefits to survivor benefits? The scenarios discussed here mostly seem to cover people who started with reduced survivor benefits early, but I'm curious about the strategy of waiting for full benefits versus claiming early and keeping options open. Also, has anyone had experience with getting written confirmation from SSA about these switching rules? Given all the conflicting information people seem to get over the phone, I'm thinking it might be worth getting something in writing before making any decisions.

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Can I suspend early Social Security benefits when returning to work and get higher payments later?

I started collecting Social Security at 62 (about 8 months ago), but just got offered a really good job opportunity that I didn't expect. The salary is substantial enough that I'm wondering if I should stop receiving my SS benefits while I'm working. I've heard there might be a way to 'pause' my benefits and then get a higher amount when I eventually restart them? My current payment is about $1,850/month, and I'm planning to work for at least another 3-4 years. Is this a thing? Would my future benefit amount actually increase if I suspend now? I'm really confused about how this all works with the earnings limits and recalculations.

Ben, given your situation, I'd strongly recommend getting a personalized benefit estimate before making any decisions. You can create a my Social Security account online to see your projected benefits at different claiming ages. Since you're only 8 months into receiving benefits, the withdrawal option (Form SSA-521) is definitely worth calculating. With an $85k salary, you'll be well over the earnings limit, so most of your current $1,850/month will be withheld anyway. The key question is whether the higher monthly amount from waiting until 66+ outweighs the benefits you'd have to repay (~$14,800). Also, don't forget that your new high-earning years may increase your benefit calculation anyway, since SSA uses your highest 35 years of earnings. This could bump up your benefit amount regardless of which path you choose. Definitely report your new earnings to SSA ASAP to avoid the overpayment nightmare others have mentioned. Good luck with the new job!

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Ben, I'm in a very similar situation! Started taking SS at 62 last year and just got a job offer that would put me way over the earnings limit. After reading through all these responses, I wanted to share what I learned from my research: The withdrawal option (SSA-521) might be your best bet since you're still within that 12-month window. I calculated my situation and even though I'd have to pay back about $18k in benefits, the higher monthly payments from waiting until 66 would break even in about 8-9 years. At our age, that math usually works out favorably. One thing I found helpful was using the detailed calculators on the SSA website - not just the quick estimator, but the more comprehensive ones that factor in your specific earnings history. Since you mentioned your previous job was lower paying, these high-earning years at $85k will definitely boost your benefit calculation. Also wanted to second what others said about calling SSA immediately to report your earnings. I used that Claimyr service someone mentioned and it was a lifesaver - got through to an actual person in about 30 minutes instead of the hours I was spending on hold. The Medicare enrollment timing is definitely something to keep in mind too if you're approaching 65. Good luck with whatever you decide!

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Bruno, I haven't made my final decision yet, but I'm about 90% sure I'm going with withdrawal after running all the numbers. The math just makes too much sense when you factor in the higher monthly payments for the rest of my life. Plus, honestly, the thought of dealing with annual earnings reporting and potential overpayment headaches for the next several years sounds exhausting. I'd rather just pay back the lump sum now and be done with it. The only thing giving me pause is tying up that $18k, but my new job salary should cover it without too much strain. Are you leaning the same direction? Also, definitely try Claimyr - I was skeptical at first but it really did work exactly as advertised. Way better than sitting on hold for hours!

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Bruno, I haven't made my final decision yet, but I'm about 90% leaning toward the withdrawal option after running the numbers. The math just seems to work out better for our situation, especially since we're both still relatively young and likely have 20+ years ahead of us to collect the higher benefits. One thing that really sealed it for me was realizing that with the earnings test route, I'd still have to deal with annual reporting and potential overpayment issues every year I work - and that's assuming my income stays consistent. With withdrawal, it's one upfront payment and then I'm done with SS complications until I'm ready to file again. I actually did end up using Claimyr last week to report my potential earnings (even though I haven't started the new job yet), and the SSA agent was super helpful in explaining both options. She even walked me through some rough calculations over the phone. Definitely worth the small fee to avoid the hold time nightmare! Are you planning to make your decision soon? I know we both have that 12-month deadline looming.

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Will my IRMAA for Medicare be based on 2024 income or 2025 SS benefits income?

I'm a 64-year-old widow planning to retire at the end of 2024. I've already spoken with SSA about claiming my late husband's survivor benefits through a restricted application (I have all the paperwork ready), which will let my own retirement benefit grow until I turn 70. I'll still be working through December 2024, but in 2025 my only income will be from Social Security. I know I need to sign up for Medicare in July 2025 (3 months before I turn 65), but I'm confused about how IRMAA (Income-Related Monthly Adjustment Amount) will be calculated. Will they look at my 2024 income when I was still working full-time, or will they base it on my much lower 2025 income which will only be Social Security benefits? This makes a huge difference in my budget planning since IRMAA could add a significant amount to my Medicare premiums. Has anyone gone through this recently? Thanks for any help!

Thank you all so much for the helpful advice! I'm feeling much better about this now. I'll definitely file the SSA-44 form immediately after retiring to report the life-changing event. And I'll be careful to account for any non-SS income like interest when estimating my 2025 income. I'm glad I asked because I had no idea they initially use a 2-year lookback period! That would have resulted in much higher premiums than I budgeted for. This forum has been incredibly helpful.

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Just wanted to add one more tip - when you file the SSA-44, make sure to keep copies of everything you submit and follow up if you don't hear back within 30-60 days. I've seen cases where the forms get lost in the system. Also, if you have any pension income or other retirement distributions planned for 2025, those would count toward IRMAA too, not just the interest income you mentioned. Good luck with your retirement planning!

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Will 401k/403b withdrawals or home sale affect my Social Security widow benefits?

I'm 63 and started receiving Social Security widow benefits last year after my husband passed. Now I'm considering some financial moves but worried about how they might affect my benefits. Does anyone know if withdrawing money from my 401k or 403b retirement accounts counts as "income" for Social Security purposes? Also thinking about selling our home (would make about $165,000 profit) - would that count against me too? I'm trying to avoid going over any income limits and getting my widow benefits reduced. The SSA website is so confusing on this!

Thanks everyone for the helpful responses! So to summarize what I've learned: 1. 401k/403b withdrawals DON'T count for the earnings test that would reduce my widow benefits 2. Selling my home also WON'T reduce my benefits 3. BUT both might increase how much of my benefits are taxable This is such a relief. I was holding off on accessing my retirement funds because I thought I'd lose benefits. Going to schedule both transactions next month!

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That's exactly right. One additional tip: consider spreading large withdrawals across multiple tax years if possible, as that can help minimize the taxation impact on your benefits. Glad we could help clarify this for you!

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Great summary Jasmine! Just want to emphasize one more important point for anyone else reading this thread - make sure to keep good records of all your transactions. Even though these withdrawals won't affect your widow benefits directly, you'll want documentation for tax purposes since they could impact how much of your Social Security is taxable. Also, if you're planning major financial moves like this, it might be worth consulting with a tax professional to make sure you understand the full picture, especially since tax rules can be just as complex as Social Security rules!

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When can I access my Social Security 1099 form online for tax season?

I need to file my taxes soon and I'm trying to find my Social Security 1099 form. Does anyone know when these become available on the MySocialSecurity website? I logged in yesterday but couldn't find it anywhere. Is there a specific date when they upload the new forms each year? This is my first year filing taxes with SS benefits and I don't want to miss any deadlines.

I just wanted to update - I found my 1099 today! It wasn't there yesterday but showed up this morning. So I guess they're still uploading them. Anyway if anyone else is still waiting just keep checking.

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Great to hear everyone's getting their forms! For those still having trouble accessing their MySocialSecurity accounts, another option is to call the SSA national number at 1-800-772-1213. They can mail you a replacement 1099 if you can't get online access working. The wait times can be long but they're usually helpful. Also, if you're doing your own taxes, most tax software will let you manually enter the Social Security income amounts even if you don't have the physical form yet - you just need to know your total benefits received for 2024.

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