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Wait I'm confused...if you get approved for disability now, would that mean you get a different amount than if you waited until 60 for regular widow benefits? And does taking disability widow benefits now affect what you can get for retirement later? The whole Social Security system is so complicated!
Yes, there can be differences in payment amounts. Disabled Widow(er) Benefits are reduced if taken before Full Retirement Age, but not as severely as taking them at 60. And as I mentioned above, taking DWB doesn't affect the ability to switch to your own retirement benefit later if it's higher. It's definitely complex, which is why it's often beneficial to speak with an SSA representative directly about your specific situation.
Thank you all for the helpful responses! I've made an appointment with my doctor to get updated medical records and I'm going to start gathering all my documentation. I think I'll apply for both regular SSDI and the Disabled Widow Benefits as suggested. I'm still nervous about the whole process, but at least now I have a better understanding of my options. I'll definitely use that Claimyr service to speak with SSA directly about my specific situation. Will update when I have news about my application.
That sounds like a good plan. One more tip: keep a detailed journal of your daily pain levels and limitations. This kind of documentation can be very helpful in supporting your claim, especially for conditions like spinal stenosis where the pain can be difficult to objectively measure. Best of luck with your application!
one more thing!! make sure u check ur earnings record on the my social security site BEFORE u apply. my wife had missing years and it took MONTHS to fix! better to check now
Just to summarize for you (and anyone else with the same question): 1. For someone born in August 1958, FRA is 66 years and 8 months 2. This puts your FRA in April 2025 3. Your first benefit payment would be received in May 2025 (for April) 4. Apply 3-4 months before April 2025 (so December 2024 or January 2025) 5. Check your earnings record now to ensure it's accurate 6. Sign up for a my Social Security account at ssa.gov if you haven't already Following these steps should ensure a smooth transition to receiving your benefits at FRA.
The earliest you can claim Social Security retirement benefits is 62, but this gives you a permanently reduced benefit (about 30% less than waiting until your Full Retirement Age). Full Retirement Age (FRA) is between 66-67 depending on your birth year. And if you wait until 70, you get the maximum possible benefit. It's all about the tradeoff between starting earlier with smaller payments or waiting for larger monthly amounts.
Thanks everyone for the helpful info! To summarize what I've learned: 1) Yes, I can withdraw within 12 months, 2) Need to use Form SSA-521, 3) Must repay ALL benefits including what others received on my record, 4) Only get one withdrawal in my lifetime, 5) No interest charged but must repay gross amount including any Medicare/tax withholdings. I'm going to think carefully about whether starting at 62 is right for me with this safety net, or if I should just wait longer from the beginning.
That's a perfect summary! One last consideration - your life expectancy and health. If you have reason to believe you'll have a shorter than average lifespan, claiming earlier often makes mathematical sense. But if you're in good health with family longevity, waiting typically results in more lifetime benefits (especially past age 80). Good luck with your decision!
watch out for taxes too!!! up to 85% of ur SS can be taxed if ur combined income is high enough... they dont tell u that part!
That's actually an important point. While there's no penalty for working after FRA, your combined income (adjusted gross income + nontaxable interest + half of SS benefits) could subject up to 85% of your benefits to income tax if it exceeds certain thresholds. For 2025, if your combined income is above $34,000 (single) or $44,000 (married filing jointly), up to 85% of your benefits may be taxable. This is separate from the earnings test we've been discussing.
One last thing to be aware of: Even though there's no penalty for working at FRA, you should still report any significant changes in your earning situation to SSA. This helps avoid any potential misunderstandings or incorrect benefit calculations. You can report wages through your my Social Security account online or by calling them directly.
my cousin worked for ssa for 30 yrs and she always said the wep is the most complicated thing they deal with!! even the agents get confused about it sometimes lol. just keep working and saving ur money dont count on ss to save u
Thanks everyone for all the helpful information! I'm going to try to increase my hours at the bookstore to see if I can get closer to the substantial earnings threshold, though $28,050 might be a stretch for part-time work. Even if I can't eliminate the WEP completely, it sounds like there's still value in continuing to work and pay into Social Security. I'll be keeping track of my earnings more carefully now that I understand how this works. And I might try that Claimyr service to finally speak with someone at SSA and get information specific to my situation. Really appreciate all the advice!
Please update us after your appointment! I'm curious what they say. These situations usually turn out to be nothing major but it's always good to know what triggered it so others can learn what to expect.
UPDATE: I went to the local office this morning and they said since I hadn't responded to their letter in ten days they cancelled my benefit application and suspended my online account. When I explained to the very helpful gentleman that it took three weeks from the date of the letter to when I actually received it, he immediately processed my application again and restored my online access. So grateful for his help! The letter had apparently been sent regarding a question about my work history, but I never got it until after they'd already taken action. Just wanted to update everyone in case someone else experiences this issue.
I'm so glad it was resolved easily! This is unfortunately common with SSA's communication systems. For future reference for anyone reading: if you're expecting correspondence about your benefits and haven't received anything within 10-14 days of filing, it's worth proactively calling or visiting your local office. The 10-day response window starts from the date on the letter, not when you receive it, which can cause these exact problems if mail is delayed.
DONT TRUST SS!!! I told them I retired in July but they still penalized me for money I made earlier in the year!!! They take all your money if you go over the limit!!
That's not accurate. If you exceed the earnings limit, they don't "take all your money." They withhold $1 in benefits for every $2 you earn above the limit. And if you qualified for the monthly earnings test but they still counted your pre-retirement earnings, that was a processing error that could have been appealed and corrected. Social Security has specific rules they must follow.
My bad on my early response, I think I misunderstood your situation. That monthly earnings test is right - I didn't qualify for it because I worked part-time all year rather than fully retiring at a specific date. Good luck with your retirement!
Something nobody mentioned - when you become payee they'll ask about your brother's BACK payments and if your mom saved any of his benefits! Make sure all that is documented!!! My sister had $7000 in saved benefits in a separate account our dad managed, and SSA wanted proof of EVERY PENNY during the payee change. Your mom needs to have statements ready showing any saved money from his benefits.
Oh wow, I hadn't even thought about that. Mom does keep a separate savings account with some of his disability money for emergencies. I should probably get statements going back how far? A year? The entire time she's been his payee (15+ years)?
They asked us for 2 years of statements for the specific savings account. But they were VERY interested in the total amount saved over all the years. If there's been a lot saved up make sure you can explain why it was saved and what it's planned to be used for. They get concerned if it looks like the payee is just banking the $$ instead of using it for the beneficiary's needs.
just wondering have u talked to ur mom about this yet?? my grandma got SUPER upset when we suggested someone else handle my uncle's benefits. she took it as us saying she was incompetent even tho she totally was making mistakes
That's exactly what I'm worried about. I haven't directly suggested it yet because Mom has always been so proud of handling this responsibility. I'm trying to figure out the most sensitive way to approach it. Did your family find a good way to have that conversation with your grandma?
Just to follow up on the survivor benefit discussion - that's absolutely correct. Maximizing your individual benefits also maximizes potential survivor benefits, which is an important consideration for married couples. To sum up your situation: 1. The "restricted application" strategy (claiming spousal while letting your own grow) is not available to you since you were born after January 1, 1954. 2. When you file for benefits, you'll be deemed to be filing for all benefits you're eligible for and will receive the highest amount. 3. At your current age of 68, your own retirement benefit has already accumulated significant delayed retirement credits and is almost certainly higher than any spousal benefit you could receive. 4. Both of you waiting until 70 to claim will maximize your individual benefits and also provide the highest potential survivor benefit for whichever of you lives longer. Based on the information you've provided, waiting until 70 appears to be your optimal strategy.
my sister tried to do what ur talking about and SSA said no. but then she went to a different office and they told her something completely different! the right hand doesnt know what the left is doing over there lol
This is unfortunately common. Social Security rules are complex, and even some SSA employees get confused about the nuances of the 2015 rule changes. That's why it's so important to understand your specific situation and the rules that apply to your birth year. In this case, for someone born in 1957, the rules are quite clear - restricted applications are not available.
Amina Diop
@OP Yes, there will be a gap. After your youngest turns 16, your caregiver benefits stop, and you won't be eligible again until either your own early retirement age (62) or your full retirement age. This is often called the "caregiver gap" and unfortunately, there's not much you can do about it unless you qualify for some other type of benefit. Many people return to work during this period if possible.
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Paolo Romano
•THIS IS THE WORST PART OF THE SYSTEM!!! Why should the caregiver benefit just STOP at 16? Kids still need parents from 16-18/19!!! The SSA acts like teenagers can just raise themselves after 16. It's a terrible policy and needs to be changed. I hit this gap last year and suddenly lost $1300/month that we were counting on.
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Connor Murphy
One more important thing: Benefits for children and caregivers may reduce the total family benefits due to the Family Maximum Benefit limit, but they do NOT reduce your husband's own retirement benefit. His check stays the same regardless of how many dependents receive benefits on his record. And yes, you'll have a gap between when your youngest turns 16 and when you can claim retirement benefits (earliest at 62).
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Yara Nassar
•thats right! my husbands check never changed when me and our son got benefits. same amount every month for him. I was worried about that too!!
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