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Another thing - make SURE you tell your employer that you're collecting Social Security! I didn't, and they withheld Social Security taxes from my paychecks even though I was already collecting benefits. You still pay Medicare taxes but the SS tax situation is different when you're collecting benefits.
I need to clarify this point. You still pay Social Security taxes on your earnings even if you're collecting benefits. These taxes are mandatory regardless of your benefit status. What happens is that these additional earnings might increase your benefit amount slightly through the annual recalculation, especially if these new earnings are higher than some used in your original calculation.
Thanks everyone for all the helpful information! From what I understand: 1) Yes, there's a $22,750 limit for 2025 since I'm under my FRA, 2) If I earn over that, they'll reduce benefits $1 for every $2 over, 3) They'll adjust this after the year ends, not immediately, 4) The withholdings aren't permanently lost - they'll recalculate when I reach FRA, and 5) Investment income doesn't count toward the limit. I think I'll go ahead with the part-time job and not worry too much about the limit. The extra income will help, even with a slight benefit reduction.
That's a perfect summary of the situation. One additional tip: You can report your estimated earnings to Social Security in advance, which allows them to withhold the appropriate amount throughout the year rather than creating an overpayment that needs to be repaid later. You can do this through your my Social Security account online or by contacting them directly.
@Connor Murphy That sounds like a great plan! Working at your grandson s'garden center will be a nice way to stay active too. Just make sure to keep good records of your earnings throughout the year so you can track where you stand relative to the limit. And don t'forget - even if you do go over, you re'still coming out ahead financially since you keep $1 for every $2 earned above the threshold. Good luck with the new job!
One thing to add that might help with your planning - you can actually see how your benefit estimate changes by using the retirement estimator on ssa.gov and plugging in different retirement ages. It will show you the projected benefit at 62, full retirement age (67), and 70. While it won't show you exactly which years are being used in the calculation, it does factor in the assumption that you'll keep earning at your current level until the retirement age you select. This can give you a clearer picture of how much those extra working years might benefit you financially.
That's a great suggestion! I didn't realize the retirement estimator would factor in future earnings projections like that. I've been trying to do the math myself but having the SSA calculator show different scenarios side-by-side would be much more accurate. I'll definitely play around with those different retirement age projections to see the impact. Thanks for pointing that out!
Just wanted to add something important that hasn't been mentioned yet - if you had any years where you earned above the Social Security wage base (the maximum amount subject to SS taxes), those years might be more valuable than you think. For example, in 2023 the wage base was $160,200. If you earned more than that in any year, only the wage base amount counts for SS purposes, but it still gets the full inflation indexing when they calculate your benefit. So a year where you earned $160,200 in 2023 might actually be worth more in the calculation than a year where you earned $180,000 but the excess didn't count for SS. Just something to keep in mind when estimating which of your years will make the top 35!
That's a really good point about the wage base cap! I hadn't considered how that affects the calculation. Since I'm in construction management, I've definitely had some years where I hit or exceeded that cap, especially in recent years. It's interesting that the inflation indexing still applies to the full wage base amount even if I earned more. This makes me think I should look more carefully at my earnings record to see which years actually maxed out the SS contribution. Do you know if there's an easy way to identify those years on the SSA website, or do I need to calculate it myself based on the wage base limits for each year?
I'm new to this community and Social Security in general, but this thread has been incredibly educational! I'm still several years away from retirement, but seeing all the complexities around spousal benefits makes me realize I need to start planning much earlier than I thought. One question for those who've been through this - is there a good resource or guide that walks through all these scenarios before you actually need to apply? It seems like there are so many nuances (like the FRA vs age 70 calculation differences, IRMAA implications, etc.) that would be helpful to understand ahead of time rather than figuring it out during the application process. Also, for someone like Roger who did such a great job delaying until 70 for the maximum benefit - any tips on how you managed financially during those extra years between your full retirement age and 70? That's something I'm trying to plan for myself.
Welcome to the community! I'm fairly new here too and have found this thread incredibly helpful. For planning resources, I'd recommend starting with the SSA's official retirement estimator on their website - it gives you personalized projections based on your earnings history. The AARP website also has some really good calculators and guides that break down the spousal benefit scenarios in plain English. As for the financial planning between FRA and 70, that's such a smart question to ask early! From what I've learned from others here, having a solid emergency fund and maybe some part-time income or consulting work can help bridge that gap. Some people also strategically use other retirement accounts during those years to let Social Security grow. It's definitely worth talking to a financial planner who specializes in retirement - they can help model out different scenarios based on your specific situation.
Welcome to the community! As someone who's also navigating Social Security planning, I wanted to chime in on the resources question. In addition to the SSA website and AARP resources mentioned, I've found the book "Social Security For Dummies" to be really helpful for understanding all these scenarios in plain language. It covers spousal benefits, survivor benefits, and timing strategies in detail. For the financial bridge between FRA and 70, one strategy I've seen recommended is the "Social Security bridge" approach - using other retirement savings (like 401k or IRA withdrawals) during those years to let your Social Security benefit grow by 8% per year. Some people also consider Roth IRA conversions during this period since they might be in a lower tax bracket before Social Security kicks in. The key is starting this planning early like you're doing! Most financial advisors recommend running scenarios starting at least 5-10 years before your FRA to see what works best for your specific situation. It's complicated stuff, but getting it right can make a huge difference in your total retirement income.
I'm new to navigating SSI benefits and this thread has been incredibly helpful! My 23-year-old brother has autism and we've been struggling with similar issues. He's currently getting about $620/month instead of the full amount, and after reading all these responses, I realize we've probably been doing the household expense calculations all wrong. A couple of questions for those who've been through this process: 1. When calculating food expenses, do you include things like eating out occasionally or just groceries? 2. For utilities, what about subscription services like streaming that the whole family uses - can those be included? 3. How often does SSA typically review these arrangements once you get them set up properly? I'm going to start putting together a spreadsheet like several of you suggested, but want to make sure I'm including the right categories from the beginning. It's so overwhelming trying to figure out all these rules, but seeing that other families have successfully navigated this gives me hope we can get my brother the full benefits he's entitled to receive. Thanks to everyone who's shared their experiences - this community is amazing!
Welcome to this community, Gemma! I'm glad you found this thread helpful - I was feeling pretty overwhelmed too when I first started trying to figure all this out. To answer your questions based on what I've learned from everyone here: 1. For food expenses, I think it's safest to stick with groceries and regular household food costs. Occasional eating out is probably more of a personal expense rather than a shared household operating expense. 2. For streaming services that everyone uses, that seems reasonable to include as a household utility, but you might want to verify that with the SSA office when you request your PMV determination. 3. From what others have mentioned, it sounds like once you get the arrangement properly documented and approved, they typically review it during the annual SSI review process. I'm also just starting this process for my son, so I'm definitely not an expert! But the advice from @Madeline Blaze about getting the official PMV determination seems really important - that way you ll'have SSA s'own calculation to work from rather than guessing. The spreadsheet approach seems to be working well for several families here. Good luck getting your brother s'benefits sorted out - it sounds like we re'both going to be doing a lot of paperwork, but it ll'be worth it to get them the full amount they deserve!
Just wanted to add something that helped us tremendously - when documenting your son's payments for household expenses, make sure the bank transfer descriptions are very specific. Instead of just "rent" or "household," we use descriptions like "1/3 household expenses per SSA guidelines" or "pro-rata share mortgage/utilities/food." Our caseworker mentioned this level of detail in the transaction descriptions made their review much smoother because it was immediately clear what the payments were for and that we understood the SSA requirements. It's a small thing, but every bit helps when dealing with their reviews! Also, if your son has a representative payee account, double-check with your bank about any restrictions on transfers between accounts. Some banks flag frequent transfers between payee accounts and personal accounts, so it's worth discussing the arrangement with them upfront to avoid any holds or questions later.
Oliver Cheng
im in kinda the same boat. divorce after 11 years and ex makes way more than me. but i heard you need to be married 10 years to get anything from their record. is that true?????
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Alina Rosenthal
•Yes, that's correct - you need to have been married for at least 10 years to qualify for divorced spouse benefits. Since you were married for 11 years, you should meet that requirement. The other requirements are: 1) You must be at least 62, 2) You must be unmarried currently, and 3) If divorced less than 2 years, your ex must have filed for their benefits (but after 2 years of divorce, you can file regardless of whether they have).
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Ellie Kim
Thank you all SO much for the helpful responses! I've scheduled an in-person appointment for next Tuesday morning. I'm bringing ALL my documents - marriage certificate, divorce decree, birth certificate, current benefit statement, and I even managed to find his SSN in some old tax returns. I'm going to specifically ask about "independently entitled divorced spouse benefits" and make sure they understand I've been divorced over 2 years and we were married over 10 years. I'm feeling hopeful for the first time in years! If they try to tell me I don't qualify because he's still working, I'll politely ask them to check the rules again. If I hit another brick wall, I might try that Claimyr service to reach someone who actually knows these specific rules. I'll update after my appointment to let everyone know how it went. Crossing my fingers!
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Mohammad Khaled
•Good luck!!! Be persistent!!! let us know what happens
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QuantumQuest
•You're so well prepared! Having his SSN will definitely help speed things up. One tip from my own experience - if the first person you talk to seems unsure or gives you conflicting info, politely ask to speak with a supervisor or someone who specializes in divorced spouse benefits. Don't be afraid to advocate for yourself. You've got this! Really hope you get the good news you deserve next Tuesday.
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