Social Security WEP/GPO elimination - confusion about who actually benefits from new law

You're mixing up a few concepts here. The WEP/GPO elimination isn't about federal vs. state employment - it's about whether you worked in jobs that didn't pay into Social Security. Many state and local government jobs (police, firefighters, teachers in some states) have their own pension systems and don't pay into SS. Those workers were previously penalized when they also qualified for Social Security from other jobs. The new law phases out those penalties. If you've been paying Social Security taxes throughout your career, including at your university job, then WEP/GPO probably never applied to you in the first place, so the change doesn't affect you - but that also means you weren't being penalized before.

Oh! So it's really about jobs where people DIDN'T pay into Social Security at all? I think I was assuming all government workers automatically paid in. So teachers in some states don't pay SS taxes? I had no idea. Does that mean I haven't been affected by WEP/GPO anyway? That makes me feel a bit better honestly.

My brother-in-law is a retired firefighter in Ohio and he's been dealing with this for years. Their pension system is separate from SS, but he also worked enough outside jobs to qualify for SS. Before this change, they slashed his SS benefits by like 60%. It's not about getting something for nothing - these folks paid into BOTH systems but were getting penalized.

Thanks for that real-world example. I guess I completely misunderstood who was affected. So it sounds like people who worked in jobs that didn't pay into SS but ALSO worked enough in SS-covered jobs to qualify were getting reduced benefits even though they paid into both systems. That makes the change seem more fair.

Let me clarify a couple of technical points about WEP and GPO:1) The Windfall Elimination Provision (WEP) reduced your own Social Security benefits if you received a pension from work not covered by Social Security2) The Government Pension Offset (GPO) reduced spousal or survivor benefits if you received a pension from non-covered workThe key thing to understand is that these provisions only affected people who worked in jobs not covered by Social Security. If you've been paying Social Security taxes throughout your career (which it sounds like you have), then these provisions never applied to you in the first place.The phase-out of these provisions helps people who worked in both covered and non-covered employment get the full Social Security benefits they earned through their covered employment.

So basically they were being penalized twice?? That seems REALLY unfair! No wonder they finally fixed this. My aunt was a teacher in California and lost almost all her survivor benefits from my uncle because of this stupid rule. She paid taxes from other jobs but got almost nothing back!

I worked for a county office in Texas for 23 years, and we didn't pay into SS. I lost THOUSANDS when I applied for SS from my other jobs! Called SSA like 50 times trying to understand why my benefit was so small. They kept saying some nonsense about

Wow, I had no idea so many government jobs didn't pay into Social Security. I'm learning a lot here. Sounds like this change is actually fixing something that was pretty unfair.

I think ur still confused. The WEP/GPO was a PENALTY on ppl who had split careers - some in SS covered jobs, some not. It wasnt giving free SS to ppl who never paid in. You still need ur 40 quarters to get SS retirement. The bill just stops penalizing ppl who earned benefits from both systems. It's actually making things MORE fair, not less.

You're right, I was definitely confused. I think I was thinking these folks were getting SS without paying in, but now I understand they DID pay in through other jobs but were getting reduced benefits. Thanks for the clarification!

I spent HOURS on phone with Social Security trying to understand why my benefits were reduced because of my teaching pension. Kept getting disconnected or put on hold for ages. Finally found this service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) that got me through to an actual person at SSA in under 10 minutes! They have a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU. So much better than waiting on hold for hours. The agent I talked to explained exactly how the WEP was affecting my benefits and what would change with the new law.

Does this actually work? I've been trying to get through to SS for weeks about my benefits under the new law. Their website is confusing and the phone lines are always busy. I'll check out that video, thanks!

It absolutely worked for me! I was skeptical too but I was desperate after being on hold for 2+ hours multiple days. Got through in like 5 minutes and the agent was really helpful explaining how the WEP changes would affect my specific situation.

This whole WEP/GPO system was incredibly complicated. My husband worked as a state trooper in a non-SS state for 15 years, then in the private sector for 20 years. His SS benefits were reduced by almost $750/month because of WEP! And if he died before me, I would have lost most of my survivor benefits due to GPO even though he paid into SS for two decades. The phase-out is fixing a system that unfairly penalized people who had split careers between different types of employment.

$750 a month is a huge reduction! I can see why this was such an important change now. Thanks for sharing your personal experience - it really helps me understand the real-world impact.

One more important clarification: the new law doesn't immediately eliminate WEP/GPO. It phases them out gradually over time. For WEP, the reduction will decrease by 20% each year for 5 years. For GPO, the offset will decrease by 20% each year for 5 years. So people affected won't see the full benefit immediately - it will be gradual through 2029. Also, the change doesn't give anyone Social Security benefits they didn't earn - it just stops reducing the benefits they did earn through covered employment.

Didnt they also add some lump sum payments for people who've been affected by this for years? My uncle said something about getting back some of what he lost but I wasnt sure if that was accurate

No, unfortunately the final law doesn't include retroactive payments for past reductions. There was discussion about that in earlier versions of the bill, but it didn't make it into the final legislation. People will only see the gradual increase going forward, not get back what was previously reduced.

Can anyone tell me when these changes actually start? I'm retiring next month and trying to figure out if my benefits will be higher right away or if I need to wait.

The WEP/GPO phase-out begins January 1, 2025. On that date, the reduction will decrease by 20%. Then it will decrease by another 20% each January 1st until both provisions are fully eliminated on January 1, 2029. So if you're retiring next month, you'll initially be subject to the full WEP/GPO reduction, but will start seeing gradual increases beginning in January.

So glad they FINALLY fixed this stupid unfair rule! My wife worked as a teacher in Illinois for 30 years (no SS) but also worked summers and after retirement at jobs with SS. She got almost NOTHING from all those SS contributions because of WEP. It's about time they fixed this!

Thanks for sharing. I had a completely wrong understanding of how this worked. I'm glad the change is helping people like your wife who paid into both systems but weren't getting their fair share from SS.

This has been such an educational thread! As someone new to understanding Social Security, I was initially confused like Evelyn about who benefits from the WEP/GPO elimination. Reading everyone's personal experiences really clarified things for me. It sounds like this law fixes a legitimate unfairness where people who worked split careers (some jobs with SS, some without) were being penalized even though they earned benefits from both systems. The gradual phase-out approach over 5 years seems reasonable too. Thanks to everyone who shared their stories - it really helps newcomers like me understand these complex policies!

As someone who's been following Social Security policy changes, I want to thank everyone in this thread for such a clear and educational discussion! @636c4a2971ed, your initial confusion was completely understandable - the WEP/GPO rules are incredibly complex and poorly explained by most sources. What really struck me reading through these comments is how many real people have been hurt by these provisions over the years. @185b7cc3e99e losing $750/month, @0102a303a458's wife getting almost nothing despite paying in through other jobs, @5405fa7ab1d2's aunt losing survivor benefits - these aren't abstract policy issues, they're real financial hardships for people who did nothing wrong except work in different types of jobs throughout their careers. The gradual phase-out approach makes sense fiscally, even though I'm sure people like @84cb4d902c2e would prefer immediate relief. This has been one of the most informative threads I've read about Social Security in a long time!

As a newcomer to this community, I found this entire discussion absolutely fascinating and eye-opening! Like @636c4a2971ed, I initially had the wrong impression about who benefits from the WEP/GPO elimination. I thought it was about giving Social Security benefits to people who never paid in, but now I understand it's actually about stopping unfair penalties on people who worked in both SS-covered and non-covered jobs. The personal stories shared here really drove home the human impact - hearing about @185b7cc3e99e's husband losing $750/month despite paying into SS for 20 years, or @0102a303a458's wife getting almost nothing from her SS contributions because of her teaching pension, shows how broken this system was. What struck me most is that these weren't people trying to game the system - they were folks who worked hard in different types of jobs and got penalized for it. The 5-year gradual phase-out seems like a reasonable approach, even though I'm sure people who've been affected would prefer immediate relief. Thanks to everyone, especially @701b0c41f1c8, @d4ba18f09350, and @84cb4d902c2e for the clear technical explanations that helped me understand this complex policy change!

As someone completely new to Social Security, this thread has been incredibly educational! I came in with similar confusion to @636c4a2971ed - I had no idea that many government jobs don't pay into Social Security at all, or that people could be penalized for working in both types of employment. The personal stories really helped me understand the real impact: @185b7cc3e99e losing $750/month despite 20 years of SS contributions, @0102a303a458's wife getting almost nothing from her SS payments because of her teaching pension, and @f59779e06f95's brother-in-law having his benefits slashed by 60%. These examples show this wasn't about giving free benefits to people who never paid in - it was about fixing unfair penalties on people who earned benefits from multiple systems. The technical explanations from @701b0c41f1c8 and @d4ba18f09350 about WEP vs GPO were really helpful too. I'm glad they're finally phasing out these provisions, even if it takes 5 years. Thanks everyone for such a clear discussion of this complex topic!

As a complete newcomer to Social Security policy, this has been one of the most educational discussions I've ever read! Like @636c4a2971ed, I started with a totally wrong understanding - thinking this was about giving SS benefits to people who never paid in. But reading through everyone's explanations and personal experiences completely changed my perspective. The stories from @185b7cc3e99e (losing $750/month despite 20 years of SS contributions), @0102a303a458 (wife getting almost nothing from SS due to teaching pension), and @f59779e06f95 (brother-in-law's benefits slashed by 60%) really show how unfair the old system was. These weren't people trying to cheat the system - they were workers who happened to have split careers between SS-covered and non-covered jobs and got penalized for it! The technical explanations from @701b0c41f1c8 and @d4ba18f09350 about WEP vs GPO were incredibly helpful too. I had no idea so many government jobs don't pay into SS, or that this could create such harsh penalties later. The 5-year phase-out seems reasonable even though immediate relief would be better for those affected. Thanks to everyone for making this complex topic so understandable - this community is amazing for newcomers like me trying to learn about these important issues!