Will new SS benefit increase law affect WEP reduction for PERA retirees?
I just heard about President Biden signing a new law to increase Social Security benefits for millions of people. My situation is complicated because I worked for my state government for 23 years under PERA (Public Employees Retirement Association) and also worked enough in the private sector to qualify for Social Security. Currently, I know the Windfall Elimination Provision (WEP) reduces SS benefits for people with pensions from non-SS-covered employment like mine. Does anyone know if this new law changes how WEP works? Will I still face a reduction in my Social Security amount, or can I now collect both my full PERA pension AND my full Social Security benefit? The news articles I've read don't get into these details at all.
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Hunter Brighton
I hate to disappoint you, but I haven't seen anything in the new legislation that addresses the Windfall Elimination Provision or Government Pension Offset. These provisions have been a thorn in the side of many public employees for decades, and unfortunately, they remain in effect. The WEP will still reduce your Social Security benefit if you receive a pension from work where you didn't pay Social Security taxes (like your PERA employment). Congress has introduced bills to reform or eliminate WEP/GPO many times, but they haven't passed yet.
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Grace Thomas
•That's really disappointing. I was hoping this would finally address the unfairness of WEP. Do you know if there's any current legislation being considered to eliminate WEP? I've worked and paid into both systems and it just seems wrong that I can't collect what I've earned from both.
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Dylan Baskin
my neighbor has the same issue with calpers and SS... she says the wep reduction is brutal, takes like 40% of what her ss would normally be! its so unfair when people paid into both systems!
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Grace Thomas
•40%? That's worse than I thought! I was expecting maybe a 20-25% reduction. This is really disheartening.
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Lauren Wood
The WEP reduction isn't quite as simple as a straight percentage cut. The reduction is based on a modified formula that affects your Primary Insurance Amount (PIA). Generally, the reduction can't exceed 50% of your non-covered pension amount. Also, if you have 30+ years of substantial earnings under Social Security, the WEP doesn't apply at all. With 20-29 years of substantial earnings, there's a partial reduction. You can check your situation using the WEP calculator on SSA's website: https://www.ssa.gov/benefits/retirement/planner/anyPiaWepjs04.html
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Dylan Baskin
•omg this is so confusing! why can't they just let people get what they earned from both?? my neighbor says she calls the ssa office like every 3 months hoping for different answers but gets nowhere!
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Ellie Lopez
THEY WILL NEVER CHANGE THE WEP!!!! I've been fighting this battle for 15 years since I retired from teaching. Every year some congressman introduces a bill to repeal WEP/GPO and every year it dies in committee. Meanwhile us public servants get SCREWED out of benefits we PAID FOR. The whole system is RIGGED against us!!!
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Chad Winthrope
•I feel your frustration! My dad was a firefighter for 25 years and then worked another job for 15 years paying into SS. When he retired, his SS benefit got slashed by almost a third because of WEP. He tried appealing but they just sent him a form letter basically saying "tough luck." The system really is unfair to public servants.
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Paige Cantoni
I've been dealing with this exact situation - I have PERA from Colorado and also qualify for SS. After struggling to get accurate info, I finally got through to a knowledgeable SS rep using Claimyr (claimyr.com). They got me connected to SSA in about 20 minutes when I'd been trying for weeks. The agent explained exactly how my WEP reduction was calculated and helped me understand what to expect. They have a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU - definitely worth it when dealing with complicated situations like WEP/GPO that most people don't understand.
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Grace Thomas
•Thanks for the suggestion! I've been trying to get through to SSA for weeks with no luck. I'll check out that service - I really need to speak with someone who can look at my specific situation and explain exactly how the WEP will affect me.
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Kylo Ren
My wife had this PERA/SS issue. If you have at least 30 years of substantial earnings under Social Security, the WEP doesn't apply at all. she had 32 years so was totally exempt from WEP. how many years did you pay into SS?
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Grace Thomas
•I only have about 18 years of substantial earnings under Social Security. My main career was with the state government. So it sounds like I'll definitely be hit with some WEP reduction, just not sure exactly how much.
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Lauren Wood
One important thing to understand about WEP is that it's designed to prevent "double-dipping," not to punish public employees. The regular Social Security benefit formula is weighted to give lower-income workers a higher percentage of their pre-retirement earnings. Without WEP, people with pensions from non-covered employment would appear to SS as lower-income workers (since their PERA earnings don't show up in SS records) and would receive this more favorable calculation despite actually having good retirement income from their government pension. That said, many argue the implementation is too harsh and needs reform.
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Ellie Lopez
•That's the EXCUSE they use but it's GARBAGE! If I PAID INTO both systems, I should GET benefits from both systems! Social Security isn't charity - it's supposed to be based on what you contributed. They don't reduce benefits for people who have investment income or inheritance, just us public servants. It's THEFT plain and simple!
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Chad Winthrope
Can I ask what state you're in? My understanding is that some states have tried to offset the WEP effect for their public employees. I think Texas has some kind of program that gives back some of what people lose to WEP, but I'm not 100% sure how it works.
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Kylo Ren
•yes texas has the ERP (Employment Retirement Program) that gives back some money to offset WEP but its only for teacher retirement system i think not all public employees. and the amount is pretty small compared to what people lose from WEP.
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Hunter Brighton
For those interested in current legislative efforts, there are two main bills that have been introduced to address WEP: The Social Security Fairness Act (which would fully repeal both WEP and GPO) and the Public Servants Protection and Fairness Act (which would modify WEP with a new formula). The fairness act has more cosponsors but the Protection act is seen as more fiscally feasible. Neither has passed yet, but you can contact your representatives to express support.
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Grace Thomas
•Thank you for this information! I'm going to look up both bills and contact my representatives. It sounds like the full repeal would be ideal, but I'd take the modified formula over nothing. Do you know if either bill has a decent chance of passing anytime soon?
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Dylan Baskin
ive heard that if you work after you start getting your pension like a parttime job that pays into ss it can help reduce the wep penalty over time is that true??
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Lauren Wood
•Yes, that's correct. Each additional year of substantial earnings under Social Security (which is $30,975 for 2025) can reduce your WEP penalty. If you reach 30 years of substantial earnings, the WEP doesn't apply at all. For people close to that threshold, working part-time after retirement can eventually eliminate the WEP reduction entirely.
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