Will my Social Security benefits change at 67 with WEP if I'm getting a government pension?
I've worked for a city government for most of my career (25 years) and am currently receiving a pension under our 457 plan. I also worked in the private sector for about 12 years before my government job and paid into Social Security during that time. When I applied for Social Security at 62, the claims specialist said I would be eligible for SS benefits despite my government pension, which would boost my monthly income. He mentioned something about WEP (Windfall Elimination Provision) affecting the calculation but didn't really explain it well. I'm turning 67 in a few months (my full retirement age according to SS). Does anyone know if my benefit amount will change when I reach FRA? The SSA website is confusing me, and I can't tell if the WEP reduction stays the same or changes when I hit 67. I'm trying to budget for next year and really need to understand if I'll see any change in my SS check.
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Dallas Villalobos
The Windfall Elimination Provision (WEP) doesn't automatically change when you reach your Full Retirement Age. The WEP reduction that was calculated when you first claimed at 62 will continue, although the amount you receive will increase because you'll no longer have the early filing reduction penalty that applies before FRA. The WEP reduces your Social Security benefit if you receive a pension from work where you didn't pay Social Security taxes (like many government jobs), but it doesn't eliminate your benefit entirely. What will change at 67 is that you'll get the full benefit amount after the WEP reduction - you won't have the additional early filing reduction anymore. When you took benefits at 62, you would have received approximately 70% of your WEP-adjusted benefit. At 67, you'll receive 100% of your WEP-adjusted benefit. Also, if you had more than 20 years of "substantial earnings" where you paid into Social Security, the WEP reduction is less severe. At 30+ years of substantial earnings, WEP doesn't apply at all.
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Melina Haruko
•Thank you for explaining! So to be clear - my check will increase at 67, but that's just because the early claiming reduction goes away, not because the WEP calculation itself changes, right? I had 12 years in the private sector paying into SS, so I guess I'm stuck with a pretty significant WEP reduction. Are there any other changes I should expect at FRA?
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Reina Salazar
when i turned 67 last yr my ss check went up by about $320. i also have a state pension & the WEP thing. they dont tell u nothing abt any of this stuff when u sign up!!! its crazy how they expect people to understand all this goverment red tape!!
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Melina Haruko
•Thanks for sharing that! A $320 increase would be amazing. Do you mind me asking if you also claimed early like I did? Just trying to figure out if I'll see a similar jump.
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Saanvi Krishnaswami
The WEP is such a confusing provision! I spent hours trying to understand how it works when my husband retired from his county job. From what I remember, the WEP reduction is calculated once when you first apply and doesn't change at Full Retirement Age. But your benefit amount WILL increase at 67 because the early retirement reduction falls away. Here's what happened with my husband: He claimed at 63, got a reduced benefit that was also subject to WEP (he had a pension from 22 years of county employment). When he hit his FRA at 66 (this was before they raised it to 67), his check went up by about 20% because the early claiming reduction disappeared, but the WEP reduction stayed the same. Hope that helps with your budgeting!
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Demi Lagos
•This is correct. The WEP formula applies a modified primary insurance amount (PIA) calculation. This modified calculation is permanent and doesn't change at FRA. What does change at FRA is the removal of the early retirement reduction. For the original poster: If you claimed at 62 and your FRA is 67, your benefit was initially reduced by about 30% for early claiming ON TOP OF the WEP reduction. When you reach 67, that 30% reduction goes away, but the WEP reduction remains in effect for life. Another important thing to know: if you're still working, the WEP calculation can change if you add more years of substantial earnings under Social Security. Each year of substantial earnings over 20 years reduces the WEP penalty.
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Demi Lagos
One aspect that hasn't been mentioned yet is that you should verify if you're subject to WEP, GPO (Government Pension Offset), or both. They're different provisions affecting government pensioners. WEP affects your own SS retirement benefits if you have a government pension. GPO affects any spousal or survivor benefits you might be eligible for. Since you mentioned a 457 plan specifically, I should point out that not all government pensions trigger WEP. It specifically applies to pensions earned from work not covered by Social Security. Some government employees are covered by both their pension system AND Social Security. In those cases, WEP doesn't apply. You might want to request a detailed benefit calculation from SSA to confirm exactly how your benefit was calculated and what will happen at FRA. Try using the WEP calculator on the SSA website: https://www.ssa.gov/benefits/retirement/planner/anyPiaWepjs04.html
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Melina Haruko
•This is really helpful - thank you! I definitely paid into the pension instead of Social Security during my government employment. I didn't know about that calculator though. I'll check it out. And yes, I'm only dealing with WEP as far as I know - I'm divorced and not collecting any spousal benefits, just my own retirement benefit.
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Mason Lopez
DONT GET ME STARTED ON WEP!!! Its basicaly THEFT by the goverment!!! I worked 40 years total, 18 in private sector paying SS taxes and 22 for the county. Got my full pension but then they SLASHED my Social Security by almost HALF!!! Its not right and there should be a law against it. We earned BOTH benefits fair and square!!!
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Vera Visnjic
•This isn't entirely accurate. WEP doesn't reduce benefits by half - the maximum reduction for someone reaching 62 in 2023 is $512 per month. And if you had 18 years of substantial earnings under Social Security, the reduction would be less than the maximum. The provision exists because the SS benefit formula gives a higher percentage return to lower-wage workers, and without WEP, government pensioners would appear to be lower-wage workers (since their government earnings don't show up in SS records) and get an unintended windfall.
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Jake Sinclair
I've been trying to reach someone at Social Security to explain my WEP situation for 3 weeks now. Been calling daily, getting disconnected or waiting on hold for hours only to be told I need to speak to a different department. It's maddening! I finally used a service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) that got me through to a real person at SSA in under 20 minutes. They have this callback system that somehow jumps the phone queue. You can see how it works in their video: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU The agent I spoke with explained my WEP calculation in detail and confirmed exactly what would happen when I reach my full retirement age. Worth every penny to finally get a clear answer instead of guessing or relying on what I read online.
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Melina Haruko
•I've been having the same problem trying to get through to SSA! Every time I call I either get disconnected or am on hold forever. I'll definitely check out that service - thanks for the recommendation. I really need to get a clear explanation of exactly how much my benefit will increase at 67.
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Saanvi Krishnaswami
Does anyone know if there's still talk in Congress about getting rid of WEP? I remember hearing something about a bill to reform or eliminate it a couple years ago but never heard what happened with that.
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Dallas Villalobos
•There have been several bills introduced over the years to modify or repeal WEP, but none have passed yet. The most recent was the Social Security Fairness Act, which would eliminate both WEP and GPO. It has bipartisan support but concerns about cost have prevented it from passing. There's also been discussion of a "proportional formula" approach that would modify rather than eliminate WEP. But as of right now, WEP remains in effect with no changes on the immediate horizon.
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Melina Haruko
Update: I finally got through to Social Security! The representative confirmed what many of you said - my benefit will increase at 67 because the early claiming reduction will be removed, but the WEP reduction stays the same. In my case, she said my benefit should increase by about $275 per month. That's a significant boost for my budget, so I'm relieved! She also explained that since I have 12 years of substantial earnings, my WEP reduction is a bit less than the maximum. Thanks everyone for your help!
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Reina Salazar
•thats great news! glad u got more $$ coming. its so confusing when u have both pension and ss benefits!
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