Will WEP reduce my Social Security at Full Retirement Age or can I get full benefits?
I'm about to hit my Full Retirement Age (FRA) next month and planning to file for Social Security. I worked for 22 years in jobs covered by Social Security, but I also worked 15 years for a state government position where I didn't pay into SS but earned a pension instead. I'm getting conflicting information about the Windfall Elimination Provision (WEP). Some people told me WEP doesn't apply once you reach FRA, others say it applies regardless of age. I'm expecting around $2,150/month from SS based on my earnings record, but I'm worried that WEP might reduce this by as much as $500. Does anyone know if applying at exactly FRA (not early) protects me from the WEP reduction? I need to make my decision in the next few weeks and want to be prepared for the actual amount I'll receive.
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Sofia Ramirez
Unfortunately, WEP will still affect your Social Security benefits even if you apply at your Full Retirement Age. WEP isn't age-dependent - it's based on whether you receive a pension from work not covered by Social Security taxes. The reduction is calculated based on your years of "substantial earnings" under Social Security. If you have 30+ years of substantial earnings under SS, WEP doesn't apply. With 20-29 years (sounds like you have 22), there's a partial WEP reduction. The maximum WEP reduction in 2025 is about $612, but you'll likely face less since you have more than 20 years of substantial earnings.
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NebulaKnight
•Thanks for clarifying. That's disappointing but at least now I know. Do you happen to know how much less the reduction might be with 22 years of substantial earnings? And is there anything I can do at this point to minimize the impact?
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Dmitry Popov
My husband went thru this last year!! FRA has NOTHING to do with WEP!! We thought the same thing and got a nasty surprise. It's all about the pension from non-SS work. The SSA people on the phone couldn't even explain it right the first 2 times we called!!!
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NebulaKnight
•Oh no, sorry you had that experience. Did the amount end up being a lot less than what you originally expected? I'm trying to budget for next year and the difference between $2,150 and maybe $1,650 is pretty significant for me.
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Ava Rodriguez
The WEP reduction is actually on a sliding scale based on how many years of substantial earnings you have under Social Security. With 22 years, you won't face the full WEP reduction. Here's the approximate formula: - 20 years of substantial earnings = 40% reduction from maximum WEP penalty - 21 years = 45% reduction - 22 years = 50% reduction - And so on until 30+ years = no WEP penalty So with 22 years, your WEP reduction would be about half of the maximum WEP penalty (roughly $306 instead of the full $612 for 2025). You should create an account on my.ssa.gov if you haven't already - your benefit estimate there should already factor in the WEP reduction if you've reported your pension information to SSA.
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Miguel Ortiz
•I wonder if the OP could work another year or two in a SS-covered job to reduce the WEP impact even more? Seems like each additional year helps quite a bit based on that formula you shared.
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Miguel Ortiz
Doesnt matter when you apply, WEP is WEP. I got hit with it and I waited until 68 to apply! The only things that matter are 1) if you get a non-SS pension and 2) how many years of "substantial earnings" you have under SS. You should ask about GPO too if your spouse worked for gov't without SS taxes.
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NebulaKnight
•I'm not married, so at least I don't need to worry about GPO. Did you find that your actual benefit amount matched what the SSA had estimated for you online?
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Zainab Khalil
my brother in law thoght the SAME THING. wep has nothing to do with your age!! he was VERY upset when he found out. make sure you are looking at the right estimate on the ssa website - they have one that includes wep and one that doesnt!
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Sofia Ramirez
•This is an important point. On my.ssa.gov, there are different benefit estimates. Unless you've told SSA about your non-covered pension, the estimate shown won't reflect the WEP reduction. You need to make sure SSA knows about your pension so they can give you an accurate estimate.
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QuantumQuest
Getting accurate information about WEP directly from SSA has been challenging for many people. I was in a similar situation last year and kept getting disconnected or waiting for hours on the phone. I finally used a service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) that got me connected to a real SSA agent in under 10 minutes. They have a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU Once I got through, the agent provided me with a calculation worksheet showing exactly how my WEP reduction was determined based on my years of substantial earnings. It was really helpful to have that detailed breakdown rather than just guessing. In my case, with 24 years of substantial earnings, my reduction was only about $245 instead of the maximum.
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NebulaKnight
•That sounds really helpful - thank you! I've been trying to get through to SSA for days with no luck. I'll check out that service because I really need to speak with someone who can explain my specific situation. A detailed breakdown would make budgeting much easier.
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Connor Murphy
I think what ur friends might be confused about is that taking SS EARLY (before FRA) vs AT FRA has different reduction amounts. But thats about EARLY CLAIMING reductions NOT about WEP. WEP is completely different and applies no matter when you claim. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news!
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NebulaKnight
•That makes a lot of sense - they probably were mixing up the early claiming reduction with WEP. Thanks for helping me understand the difference.
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Ava Rodriguez
One important thing to verify: have you checked if any of your 22 years of Social Security covered work meet the "substantial earnings" threshold? For 2025, substantial earnings is around $30,150, but it was lower in previous years. Some people think they have 22 qualifying years but actually have fewer because some years didn't meet the earnings threshold. This could affect your WEP reduction calculation.
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NebulaKnight
•That's a great point! I just checked my Social Security statement and it looks like 2 of my years might be below the threshold. I earned only about $8,000 in 1985 and $11,500 in 1986 when I was working part-time during college. So I might actually only have 20 qualifying years, which would mean a larger reduction. I definitely need to speak with an SSA representative about this.
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Dmitry Popov
I still dont understand why the government can take money we EARNED just because we also have a pension!! Its OUR MONEY that we paid in!! So unfair!!! My husband lost almost $600/month because of this stupid rule!!!
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Zainab Khalil
•i AGREE!!! we paid into the system and they act like were trying to cheat or something. my friend works at the post office and doesnt have this problem but teachers and firefighters get penalized. makes NO SENSE!!
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Sofia Ramirez
One strategy some people use if they're close to another year of substantial earnings is to work part-time in Social Security covered employment to reach another year threshold. Each additional year between 20-30 reduces your WEP penalty by about 5%. If you're only 1-2 years away from 30 years, it might be worth considering working a bit longer to significantly reduce or eliminate the WEP impact.
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NebulaKnight
•That's something to consider. I'm retired from my state job, but I could potentially pick up some part-time work. Though at 20-22 qualifying years, I'd need quite a bit more work to completely eliminate WEP. I'll have to weigh if the part-time work is worth the benefit increase.
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