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Social Security WEP/GPO confusion: Does ex-spouse's pension count against MY benefits?

I'm so confused about this WEP/GPO situation! I'm 61 and planning to file for my own Social Security retirement benefits next year. On the application, it asks "are you collecting a pension based on your own employment?" I receive $876/month from my ex-husband's County pension as part of our divorce settlement from 10 years ago. He worked for the County for 25 years, but I never did - I worked in retail my whole life and paid into Social Security. Does this pension payment count against me for WEP or GPO purposes since it was HIS employment, not mine? I don't want to answer incorrectly and mess up my benefits. I've tried calling SSA three times but keep getting disconnected after waiting for hours.

Update for 2025: Just to add some important context, the WEP and GPO rules haven't changed in the recent legislation. The question "are you collecting a pension based on your own employment?" specifically refers to YOUR employment where YOU didn't pay Social Security taxes. The key phrases are "your own employment" and work where "Social Security taxes were not taken out of your pay." Since your situation involves your ex-spouse's employment, not yours, you should answer "No" to this question.

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Thank you for the update! I appreciate everyone's help in figuring this out. I'll answer "No" when I apply and make sure to have all my documentation ready just in case.

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I went through this exact same situation last year! I was so worried about answering that question wrong on my application. I receive part of my ex-husband's teacher retirement pension through our divorce settlement, and I was terrified it would mess up my own Social Security benefits. After reading through all the paperwork carefully and talking to a SSA representative, I confirmed that since it was HIS employment where he didn't pay into Social Security (not mine), it doesn't affect my benefits at all. I answered "No" to that question and had zero issues. The key thing to remember is they're asking about YOUR work history, not pensions you receive from someone else's work. Good luck with your application!

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Can I claim Social Security spousal benefits from ex-husband while on SSDI for 15 years?

I'm trying to figure out if I'm leaving money on the table with my Social Security situation. I'm 64 and have been receiving SSDI benefits for the past 15 years due to a chronic health condition. I also get a long-term disability check from my former employer's insurance. My ex-husband and I were married for 35 years before divorcing 9 years ago. He plans to retire and claim Social Security when he turns 65 in about 2 years. Since we were married well over the 10-year requirement, am I eligible for any spousal benefits based on his earnings record even though I'm already getting SSDI? My SSDI payment is about $1,850 monthly. I've heard conflicting things about whether you can receive both types of benefits at the same time or if I'd have to wait until I reach my full retirement age. Any advice would be really appreciated!

Based on the numbers you've shared in your comments, if your SSDI is $1,850 and 50% of your ex's potential benefit would be around $1,600, you wouldn't receive any additional amount through divorced spouse benefits. Your own benefit is higher. Regarding what happens at Full Retirement Age (FRA): 1. Your SSDI automatically converts to retirement benefits at the same amount 2. There's no longer a disability designation, but the payment continues 3. The divorced spouse benefit calculation remains identical The one advantage of reaching FRA is that if you wanted to delay your own retirement benefit to earn delayed retirement credits (8% per year until age 70), you could potentially take ONLY the spousal benefit while letting your own benefit grow. However, in your case, since the spousal benefit amount is lower, this strategy wouldn't make financial sense. As another commenter mentioned, definitely verify how any changes would affect your LTD payments, as those often have offset provisions for any type of Social Security benefits.

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Thank you so much for this detailed explanation. It really clarifies things for me. It sounds like in my specific situation, there's probably no financial advantage to applying for the divorced spouse benefit since my own SSDI/retirement benefit is higher. And with the LTD offset, I'd likely end up with the same total income anyway. I appreciate everyone's help in figuring this out!

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One thing to keep in mind is that even though the math suggests you won't get additional money right now, it's still worth filing a protective application for divorced spouse benefits. Here's why: 1. Your ex-husband's actual benefit amount might be different than your estimate - could be higher 2. If your health condition worsens and affects your ability to manage paperwork later, having it on file protects your rights 3. SSA can backdate benefits up to 6 months from your application date Also, since you mentioned being 64, remember that you can file for divorced spouse benefits as early as age 62 (which you've already passed), but if you filed before your FRA, the spousal benefit would be reduced. At your current age, you're close enough to FRA that this reduction would be minimal. The application process is pretty straightforward - you'll need your divorce decree and your ex's Social Security number. Even if you don't end up getting additional money, at least you'll have official confirmation from SSA rather than estimates, and you'll be protected if circumstances change.

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Will my 2024 income appear on Social Security records when applying at FRA in March 2025?

Hello everyone, I've been planning my retirement carefully and have a timing question about my earnings record. I'm hitting my full retirement age (FRA) next March 2025 and plan to apply for Social Security benefits then. I'm still working through this year, and my accountant can have my 2024 taxes ready to file by early February 2025. My question is: if I file my taxes in February 2025, will those 2024 earnings show up on my Social Security earnings record by the time I apply in March 2025? Or will there be some delay in SSA processing that income? I'm asking because my 2024 income will be one of my higher earning years, and I want to make sure it counts toward my benefit calculation. Thanks for any insights!

Thank you all for the helpful information! I'll definitely bring my W-2 when I apply and make sure to mention that my 2024 earnings might not be showing up yet. I'll also keep track of everything and follow up in a few months if I don't see an adjustment. This is all really useful advice!

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One more tip - you can also check your earnings record online at ssa.gov by creating a my Social Security account if you don't already have one. This way you can monitor when your 2024 earnings actually show up in the system. I check mine every few months and it's been really helpful to see when new earnings get posted. Plus having that account set up ahead of time can make the application process smoother since you'll already have access to all your earnings history and benefit estimates.

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Will my Social Security widow benefits be reduced if husband dies in prison? Currently taking income hit

I'm absolutely devastated right now. My husband (66) was recently sentenced to 20 years and I've just been informed that my own SS retirement benefits will be dropping from $1395 to about $1085 monthly because he's incarcerated. I'm 67 and this feels incredibly unfair since I didn't commit any crime, yet I'm being financially punished. What I really need to understand is what happens in the future. Given his health issues, there's a real possibility he may pass away while serving his sentence. If that happens, would I be eligible for widow's benefits based on his work record? His monthly benefit amount was $2870 before imprisonment. Would I get the full amount as a widow or would there still be some kind of reduction because he died while incarcerated? I'm trying to plan for every possibility since this whole situation has completely upended my retirement.

To directly answer your widow benefits question: At your age (67, which is past Full Retirement Age), you would be entitled to 100% of your husband's PIA (Primary Insurance Amount) of $2870 if he passes away, regardless of his incarceration status at time of death. However, you should be aware of the following: 1. You don't automatically receive widow benefits - you must apply within 6 months of his passing 2. SSA will pay you the higher of either your own benefit or your husband's benefit (not both) 3. If he passes while incarcerated, bring a copy of the death certificate and his Social Security number when you apply 4. If possible, file the application in the same month as his passing to maximize benefits 5. There may be a one-time death benefit of $255 you can claim as well

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Thank you for such detailed information. This helps tremendously with my planning. I've been so worried about what my financial situation would look like in different scenarios. One question - you mentioned applying within 6 months, but someone else mentioned I could lose benefits if I don't apply within 30 days. Which is correct?

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The 30-day recommendation is best practice to avoid any payment gaps, but it's not a strict deadline. The 6-month window is related to ensuring you don't miss potential retroactive benefits. Technically, you can apply anytime after his passing, but waiting beyond 6 months might result in missed payments. I recommend applying as soon as possible after his passing to ensure continuous income.

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I'm so sorry you're going through this difficult situation. As someone who works with Social Security cases, I want to clarify a few important points about your widow benefits question. Yes, you would be eligible for widow's benefits if your husband passes away while incarcerated. The key thing to understand is that incarceration rules apply differently to current benefits versus survivor benefits. While his imprisonment affects benefits while he's alive, it does NOT affect your eligibility for widow's benefits after his death. At age 67 (your full retirement age), you would be entitled to 100% of his benefit amount - so potentially $2870 monthly instead of your current reduced amount. This would be a significant improvement to your financial situation. A few critical things to remember: You must actively apply for widow's benefits (they're not automatic), and you should do so as soon as possible after his passing to avoid any gaps in payments. Also, SSA will pay you the higher amount between your own benefit and his - you can't receive both. I'd strongly recommend getting clarification from SSA now about exactly why your current benefits were reduced, as this will help you better understand your options. The congressional representative suggestion from Mohammad is excellent - their offices often have direct lines to SSA that can cut through the phone system delays. Stay strong - you're dealing with an incredibly challenging situation, but there are people and resources available to help you navigate this.

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Can my incarcerated brother collect Social Security survivor benefits after his wife died?

My brother has been in prison for the last 3 years (drug charges) and has about 2 more years to serve. His wife just passed away unexpectedly last month at age 58. They were married for 22 years. Someone at the prison told him he might be eligible for some kind of survivor benefits from Social Security, but I'm confused about whether being incarcerated disqualifies him completely. Does anyone know if he can apply for survivor benefits while in prison, or would he have to wait until he's released? Does the money just accumulate somewhere until he gets out? He's 61 now and didn't have much work history before going in. I'm trying to help him figure out what he'll have when he's released.

Just FYI - make sure he brings TWO forms of ID when he goes to apply after he gets out. My relative forgot his second ID and they made him come back which was a whole other ordeal with transportation and taking more time off work.

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That's a great practical tip, thank you! I'll make sure he knows he needs multiple forms of ID. I bet getting proper identification after being released is a whole challenge in itself.

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One thing that might help prepare for his eventual application is to start gathering the necessary documents now while you have time to track them down. You'll need certified copies of his wife's death certificate, their marriage certificate, and his birth certificate at minimum. Getting these documents can take weeks or months depending on which states/counties they were issued in, and it's much easier to do this legwork now rather than scrambling after his release when he's dealing with other reentry challenges. Some states have online ordering systems for vital records, while others require mail-in applications. Also consider getting multiple certified copies since Social Security often wants to keep the originals for their files.

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