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Thanks everyone for all the helpful information! I think I understand how it works now: 1. The earnings limit applies from when I claim at 63 until I reach my FRA at 67 2. Only wages count, not other income like investments or rentals 3. If I go over the limit, they'll withhold some benefits 4. When I reach FRA, I'll get credit for those withheld benefits 5. After FRA, I can earn unlimited income with no penalty I'm going to carefully plan my work hours to stay under the limit for those 4 years. Really appreciate all the advice!

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You've got it exactly right! Just one additional tip - if your earnings might be close to the limit, consider front-loading your work hours earlier in the year so you can monitor how close you are to the threshold and adjust if needed. Good luck with your retirement planning!

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One thing I'd add that might help with planning - you can actually report your estimated earnings to SSA in advance using Form SSA-723 or by calling them. This way they can withhold benefits gradually throughout the year instead of stopping payments all at once after you file your tax return. I learned this after my first year of early retirement when I got hit with a surprise 4-month suspension. Now I submit my earnings estimate in January and they adjust my monthly payments accordingly. It's much easier to budget when you know exactly what you'll receive each month rather than getting surprised later. Also, keep detailed records of your earnings throughout the year - paystubs, work schedules, etc. If there are any discrepancies, having documentation makes resolving issues with SSA much smoother.

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This is really helpful advice about Form SSA-723! I had no idea you could report your estimated earnings in advance. That would definitely be better than getting surprised with stopped payments later. Do you know if there's a penalty if your actual earnings end up being different from what you estimated, or do they just adjust accordingly? I'm thinking my part-time hours might vary throughout the year so I'm not sure how accurate my estimate would be.

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Thank you everyone for all this helpful information! I think I've decided to wait until at least 65 to claim benefits, for several reasons: 1. The earnings test would reduce my benefits significantly if I claim at 62 while still working part-time 2. The 29% higher monthly amount ($510 more per month) will add up substantially over time 3. The survivor benefit consideration for my wife is important - I want to make sure she's well taken care of 4. My family history suggests longevity, so the break-even point of 75-76 likely makes waiting worthwhile I'm going to try to speak with SSA directly to get personalized calculations before making the final decision. Thanks again for all your insights!

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Smart decision, Mason! You've really thought this through carefully. One additional tip for when you call SSA - ask them to run scenarios showing your cumulative lifetime benefits under different claiming strategies. They can model what happens if you live to 80, 85, 90, etc. This really helps visualize the long-term impact. Also, since you're planning to work until 65 anyway, you might want to check if any of those earnings could increase your benefit calculation. Social Security uses your highest 35 years of earnings, so if you're earning more now than in some earlier years, those extra work years could actually boost your Primary Insurance Amount. The survivor benefit angle you mentioned is crucial - many couples overlook this. Your wife could potentially receive benefits for 20+ years after you're gone, so maximizing that amount protects her financial security for decades. Sounds like you've got a solid plan! The fact that you're thinking this through now rather than just taking the money and running shows you're approaching this strategically.

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This is such valuable advice, especially about asking SSA to run those lifetime benefit scenarios! As someone new to navigating Social Security, I'm really impressed by how thoroughly Mason has researched this decision. The survivor benefit consideration is something I hadn't even thought about before reading this thread. One thing I'm curious about - when you mention checking if current earnings could boost the benefit calculation, how often does SSA recalculate benefits based on new earnings? Is this something that happens automatically or do you need to request it? Also, for those of us still years away from claiming, is there a recommended timeline for when to start seriously planning these strategies? This conversation has made me realize I should probably start thinking about this sooner rather than later!

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One aspect that hasn't been mentioned yet is how filing early could impact your Medicare Part B enrollment timing and costs. Since you're 64 and were recently laid off, you'll likely be enrolling in Medicare soon. If you're receiving Social Security benefits when you become Medicare-eligible, you'll be automatically enrolled in Part B (unless you opt out), and the premiums will be deducted from your Social Security check. However, if your Social Security benefit is small due to early filing, and you later face IRMAA surcharges due to higher household income, your net Social Security payment could become quite small or even negative in some cases. I've seen situations where people's entire Social Security benefit gets eaten up by Medicare premiums and IRMAA penalties. Also, since you mentioned being laid off, make sure you understand how COBRA continuation coverage interacts with Medicare eligibility. You generally can't have both, so timing your Social Security filing decision around your healthcare transition is important. The two-year wait until FRA might give you more time to plan this healthcare transition more strategically, especially since Medicare enrollment has its own complex timing rules and penalties for late enrollment.

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This is such an important point about Medicare coordination that I completely overlooked! The idea that IRMAA surcharges could potentially wipe out a small Social Security benefit is honestly terrifying. I hadn't even thought about how the automatic Part B enrollment works when you're already receiving Social Security benefits. Since I'm turning 65 next year, this Medicare timing consideration might actually be the deciding factor for me. I need to understand these enrollment deadlines and how they interact with Social Security filing decisions. Do you know if there are resources that can help map out this timing, or is this something I should discuss with Medicare directly? The complexity of coordinating all these different systems is overwhelming, but your comment really highlights why rushing into early filing could create problems I hadn't even considered.

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I'm glad I found this discussion as I'm facing a similar decision at 63. What really concerns me after reading through all these responses is how many "hidden" consequences there seem to be that aren't clearly explained upfront. The Medicare IRMAA interaction, the tax implications with combined income, losing flexibility for future strategy changes - it feels like there are landmines everywhere. Has anyone here worked with a fee-only financial planner who specializes in Social Security? I'm starting to think the complexity of all these intersecting rules (Social Security, Medicare, taxes, spousal benefits) really requires professional analysis rather than trying to piece it together from general advice articles. The stakes feel too high to get this wrong, especially after reading about people who filed early and regretted it due to unforeseen consequences. Also, for those who mentioned calling SSA directly - beyond the service that QuantumQuest mentioned, has anyone had success getting detailed answers about these complex scenarios from SSA representatives? I worry about getting different answers from different agents about the same question.

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I completely understand your concerns about the hidden complexities - this thread has been eye-opening for me too! Regarding fee-only planners, I'd suggest looking for ones with the Registered Social Security Analyst (RSSA) designation specifically. The National Social Security Association has a directory you can search. As for SSA representatives, I've found the quality of answers varies wildly depending on who you reach. Some are knowledgeable about complex scenarios, others stick to basic scripted responses. The key is asking very specific questions and getting the representative's name and employee ID for your records. If you get conflicting information, you can request to speak with a supervisor. One thing that's helped me is preparing a written list of specific scenarios before calling - like "If I file at 64 with X income and my spouse files at 70 with Y income, how would this affect our Medicare premiums and tax liability?" Having concrete numbers seems to get better responses than general questions. The complexity is definitely overwhelming, but breaking it down into specific calculations makes it more manageable.

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Great decision to wait until January! That extra year will make a meaningful difference in your benefit amount. One thing I'd add - since you mentioned helping your daughter with college expenses, you might want to look into whether your Social Security benefits could affect her financial aid eligibility. Parent income (including SS benefits) is factored into the FAFSA calculations, so timing your claim might impact her aid package. It's worth running the numbers through a FAFSA calculator to see if the timing makes a difference for her college costs too.

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That's a really important point about FAFSA that I hadn't even considered! My daughter is a sophomore, so this could definitely impact her financial aid for the remaining years. I'll need to run those calculations too - it seems like every angle I look at this decision from reveals new complexities. Thank you for bringing this up, it could save us money on her college costs if I time this right.

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One more consideration that might help with your January timeline - if you're planning to file in January, make sure you understand exactly when your benefits would start. Social Security retirement benefits can't be paid retroactively more than 6 months, and they start the month after you reach eligibility age OR the month after you apply, whichever is later. So if you turn 65 in a few months but wait until January to apply, your first payment would likely be February. Just want to make sure you're factoring this timing into your budget planning. Also, since you mentioned mortgage being paid off, that's a huge advantage - many people in similar situations are still dealing with mortgage payments which makes the timing decision much more critical.

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Thank you for that timing clarification! I had assumed benefits would start the month I applied, but knowing they start the month after makes a difference in my budgeting. February would actually work well for me since I typically get a small annual bonus in January from my part-time job. And you're absolutely right about the mortgage being paid off - that's been such a relief and definitely gives me more flexibility in timing this decision. It's one less major expense to worry about while navigating all these Social Security rules and calculations.

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I'm new to this community but currently facing this exact same situation. My husband passed away 4 months ago and I just turned 60 last week. This entire thread has been absolutely invaluable - I've learned more from reading everyone's experiences here than from multiple frustrating phone calls to SSA. The confirmation that percentage increases happen MONTHLY rather than annually is huge for me. I've been debating whether to apply immediately or wait a few months, and now I understand that even waiting 3-4 months could give me a meaningful increase in my monthly benefit for life. What resonates most with me is how many of you have emphasized the importance of balancing the mathematical optimization with immediate financial and emotional needs. I've been living off savings since my husband passed, and while I can continue for a while longer, the stress of constantly analyzing the "perfect" timing is exhausting during an already overwhelming time. I think I'm going to apply within the next 2-3 months. This will give me a small boost over the base 71.5% from those extra months, but more importantly, it will provide the financial security and peace of mind I need to focus on grieving and rebuilding my life. Thank you all for sharing your personal experiences so openly - this community support means more than you know.

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Welcome to the community, and I'm so sorry for your loss. Your plan to wait 2-3 more months sounds very thoughtful and well-balanced. You're absolutely right that even those few extra months will give you a meaningful boost over the base 71.5% - based on what others have shared, that could be around 0.7-1% higher for the rest of your life, which really adds up over time. I think you've found the sweet spot that many people in this thread have talked about - getting some benefit from the monthly increases without putting yourself through prolonged financial stress. The fact that you're able to continue living off savings for a few more months while still having a clear end date for your decision shows you're taking both the financial and emotional aspects into account. This community really has been amazing for providing the kind of real-world clarity that the official SSA resources just can't match. It's so helpful to hear from people who have actually navigated these decisions rather than trying to decipher confusing government websites. Your approach of balancing optimization with peace of mind seems like exactly the right mindset for such a personal decision during an incredibly difficult time.

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As someone who recently navigated this exact situation, I want to add my voice to confirm what everyone has shared - the survivor benefit percentage increases ARE monthly, not annually. When I applied at 60 years and 6 months after my spouse passed away, the SSA representative explicitly calculated my benefit based on those extra 6 months, which gave me approximately 2% more than the base 71.5%. What I found most helpful was actually requesting a written estimate from SSA showing my projected benefit amount at different ages. This took some of the guesswork out of the decision and let me see exactly what waiting would gain me. You can request this through your local SSA office or sometimes through the online portal. I ultimately decided to apply when I did because, like many others have mentioned, the peace of mind of having guaranteed monthly income outweighed the potential gains from waiting longer. The financial security during such a difficult time was worth more to me than optimizing for the highest possible monthly payment. For anyone still deciding, my advice is to calculate your personal breakeven point, but also honestly assess your emotional and financial stress tolerance. Sometimes the "good enough" decision that gives you peace of mind is better than the theoretically perfect decision that keeps you anxious and uncertain.

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