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This is such valuable information for those of us navigating work after FRA! I'm 68 and have been working part-time since starting my benefits. One thing I'd add is that you can also create an account at ssa.gov to track your earnings record and see how your benefits are calculated. It's really helpful to understand which years might get replaced by your current earnings. The portal shows your complete earnings history and you can estimate potential increases. Also, don't forget that you'll still pay Social Security taxes on your current earnings even though you're collecting benefits - but as everyone mentioned, those contributions can increase your future payments through the automatic recalculation. Keep working if you enjoy it and can handle it - the financial and health benefits are worth it!

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That's a great point about using the ssa.gov portal to track your earnings history! I hadn't thought about logging in to see which years might get replaced. It would be really helpful to get a better sense of what kind of increase to expect. I appreciate the reminder about still paying Social Security taxes too - I guess I never really thought about the fact that we're essentially "investing" those tax payments into higher future benefits through AERO. Thanks for the practical advice about checking the online portal!

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This is such a helpful discussion! I'm 65 and planning to start benefits at my FRA next year while continuing to work. One question I haven't seen addressed - does the type of work matter for the AERO calculation? I'm considering switching from full-time W-2 employment to consulting work (1099). Would both types of earnings be treated the same way in the automatic recalculation, or are there any differences in how Social Security processes W-2 vs 1099 income for benefit adjustments? I want to make sure I understand this before making the transition. Thanks to everyone sharing their experiences - this gives me much more confidence about my retirement planning!

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Great question about W-2 vs 1099 income! Both types of earnings are treated the same way for Social Security benefit calculations and the AERO process, as long as you're paying Social Security taxes on them. With 1099 consulting work, you'll pay self-employment tax (which includes Social Security and Medicare taxes), and those earnings will be included in your earnings record just like W-2 wages. The key is that the income needs to be subject to Social Security taxation - so as long as you're paying those taxes on your consulting income, it will count toward potential benefit increases through the automatic recalculation. The SSA doesn't distinguish between employee wages and self-employment income when calculating your highest 35 years of earnings. Just make sure you're properly reporting and paying taxes on your consulting income!

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I'm dealing with a similar situation right now with my late mother's estate. One additional thing to consider - if your father had any automatic bill payments coming out of his Social Security, those companies might have tried to process payments after his death and received returned payment notices. I discovered this when going through my mom's mail and found several "payment returned" notices from her utility companies. It's worth checking his mail for a few months after you resolve the uncashed check issue, just to make sure there aren't any other financial loose ends. Also, some banks will hold returned direct deposits for a certain period before sending them back to SSA, so there might be a delay in when those show up in their system. The SSA office should be able to tell you about any returned payments when you go in for your appointment.

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That's a really good point about checking for returned bill payments! I hadn't thought about that aspect of things. My dad did have a few automatic payments set up, so I should definitely keep an eye on his mail for any returned payment notices. It's amazing how many little financial details there are to track down when someone passes away. I'll make sure to ask the SSA office about any returned direct deposits too when I go in for my appointment. Thanks for sharing your experience - it's helpful to know what to look out for!

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I'm sorry for your loss. I just went through this process myself when my grandfather passed away last fall. One thing that really helped me was bringing a notebook to document everything when I finally got my SSA appointment. I wrote down the representative's name, badge number, what forms they gave me, and exactly what they said about timelines. This was incredibly helpful because I had to follow up a few weeks later and could reference our previous conversation. Also, if you're having trouble getting an appointment at your main local office, try calling some of the smaller SSA offices in nearby towns - sometimes they have better availability and can handle the same paperwork. The drive might be worth it to avoid the endless phone hold times. Best of luck getting this resolved!

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I'm a retired Social Security claims specialist, and I wanted to add some additional context that might help with your situation. You're absolutely right to be confused by the SSA website - these remarriage and divorce scenarios are some of the most complex benefit situations. Since you were under 60 when you remarried (you mentioned you were 58), your survivor benefits correctly stopped when you married in 2020. The good news is that once your divorce is final next month, you become immediately eligible to reclaim those survivor benefits with no waiting period whatsoever. Here are a few additional points to keep in mind: 1. **Benefit restart date**: Your benefits will typically begin the month after you file your application, so don't delay once you have your divorce decree. 2. **Required documentation**: In addition to your divorce decree, make sure you have your first husband's death certificate, both marriage certificates, your Social Security card, and photo ID. 3. **Benefit amount**: Your reinstated benefit will be the same amount you were receiving before your remarriage, without any cost-of-living adjustments that occurred during your marriage years 2020-2025. However, future COLAs will apply once benefits restart. 4. **Filing strategy**: Since you're 61 now, this is also a good time to ask SSA to run projections comparing your survivor benefit to your own retirement benefit at different claiming ages. This can help with long-term planning. The process should be straightforward once you have all your documentation ready. Best of luck with finalizing your divorce and getting your benefits reinstated!

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Thank you so much for this incredibly detailed and professional explanation! Having input from a retired SSA claims specialist is invaluable. I feel much more confident about the process now. Your point about the benefit restart date being the month after I file really emphasizes how important timing is - I'll definitely apply immediately once my divorce decree is in hand. The clarification about COLAs is helpful too - I understand I won't get the adjustments from 2020-2025, but at least future increases will apply. I'm also grateful for your suggestion about asking for projections comparing survivor benefits to my own retirement benefit. Given that I'm 61, having that long-term strategic view could really impact my financial planning. Thank you for taking the time to share your expertise with our community!

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I'm so glad to see this community providing such helpful and detailed guidance! As someone who recently went through a similar transition with Social Security benefits, I wanted to add one more practical tip that really helped me. When you do get your appointment scheduled with SSA, consider bringing a trusted friend or family member with you if possible. These meetings can be emotionally overwhelming, especially when you're dealing with the stress of divorce proceedings at the same time. Having someone there to take notes and help you remember questions can be really valuable. Also, don't be discouraged if your local SSA office seems busy or understaffed. In my experience, the representatives are generally very knowledgeable about survivor benefit situations once you get to speak with them - it's just getting that initial appointment and having all your paperwork in order that can be the challenging part. Wishing you the best as you navigate this final step. It sounds like you'll be in a much better financial position once these benefits are reinstated, and that's something to look forward to after what must have been a very difficult few years.

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This is such thoughtful advice about bringing someone to the appointment! I hadn't considered how emotionally draining it might be to handle all this paperwork and discussion while still dealing with divorce stress. Having a second set of ears to catch important details I might miss sounds really smart. I'm fortunate to have a sister who's offered to help me through this process, so I'll definitely ask if she can come with me to the SSA appointment. Thank you for thinking about the human side of these bureaucratic processes - it's easy to get so focused on the paperwork that you forget how overwhelming it can all feel. Your encouragement about the light at the end of the tunnel is really appreciated too!

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Social Security WEP/GPO Fairness Act - can I now claim survivor benefits and child-in-care benefits as a retired teacher?

I've been trying to figure out if the new WEP/GPO Fairness Act helps my situation. My husband passed away in 2023, just 3 weeks shy of reaching his Full Retirement Age. He hadn't filed for his SS benefits yet. I'm a retired public school teacher with a pension, and when I initially contacted Social Security after his death, the claims representative said I wouldn't qualify for survivor benefits because of GPO (Government Pension Offset). I was also told I couldn't receive child-in-care benefits for our children under 16, even though there was approximately $800 monthly available from the family maximum. What bothered me most was that the rep actually marked on my paperwork that I "chose not to apply" for survivor benefits due to GPO - but I HAD applied and was essentially rejected. Now with the Fairness Act passed, I've scheduled a phone appointment to apply properly for my survivor benefits. I'm 67 now, and I'm assuming I should qualify for the full amount my husband would have received plus maybe 6 months of retroactive benefits since this would technically be considered my first application (since the previous one was incorrectly processed). Does anyone know if I can now also receive the child-in-care benefits that were previously denied? Will I need to file a separate application specifically for those, or would they automatically be considered with my survivor application? My older son turns 18 this August, but my younger boy is still only 13.

I'm so sorry for your loss and the additional stress of dealing with the SSA bureaucracy during such a difficult time. As someone who has navigated similar issues with government benefits, I wanted to add a few practical tips for your upcoming appointment: First, consider recording the call (if legal in your state) or at least take detailed notes with timestamps. This can be crucial if you need to reference what was discussed later. Second, if the representative seems unfamiliar with the Fairness Act changes, you can reference Publication No. 05-10045 (the updated WEP/GPO fact sheet) and ask them to consult their Program Operations Manual System (POMS) for the most current guidance. Third, regarding the child-in-care benefits - these are paid at 75% of your husband's PIA and are NOT subject to GPO at all. So even before the Fairness Act, you should have been eligible for these benefits while caring for your 13-year-old. The fact that they denied this previously suggests the representative was misinformed. Finally, if you encounter resistance or confusion during your call, don't hesitate to end the call politely and try again with a different representative. Sometimes it takes a few tries to get someone who fully understands the current rules. You've got this! The Fairness Act was designed to help people in exactly your situation.

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This is incredibly helpful advice, especially about the child-in-care benefits not being subject to GPO at all! I had no idea about that distinction. It really does sound like the previous representative was completely misinformed about my situation. I'm definitely going to reference that publication number you mentioned and ask them to check their POMS system if they seem uncertain. The recording idea is smart too - I'll check if that's allowed in my state. Thank you for taking the time to provide such detailed guidance. It gives me much more confidence going into this appointment knowing what specific things to ask for and reference.

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As a newcomer to this community, I want to thank everyone for sharing such detailed and helpful information about the WEP/GPO Fairness Act. I'm actually in a somewhat similar situation - my spouse passed away last year and I have a state teacher's pension, though I don't have minor children involved. Reading through this thread has been incredibly educational. I had no idea about the 3-year phase-in period for GPO relief, and like many others, I've been getting conflicting information from SSA representatives. The suggestion about asking for a Technical Expert or supervisor is brilliant - I wish I had known that during my initial calls. @Haley Stokes - I really hope your appointment goes well! Your situation with the incorrectly processed application sounds so frustrating. The advice about documenting everything and getting written confirmation seems crucial given how much confusion there seems to be about implementing these new rules. One question for the group: Has anyone successfully received retroactive benefits dating back further than 6 months by proving they had attempted to apply earlier? I'm wondering if there's any precedent for this, especially in cases where the initial application was mishandled due to representative error.

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Welcome to the community! I'm sorry for your loss as well. Regarding your question about retroactive benefits beyond 6 months - from what I understand, it's extremely rare but not impossible if you can prove the SSA made an error in processing your initial application. The key is having documentation that shows you did attempt to apply and that their representative incorrectly handled it. In cases like Haley's where the rep actually wrote "chose not to apply" when she had applied, that's clear evidence of SSA error. If you have any paperwork, emails, or even notes with dates/times of your calls, that could help. Some people have had success by filing an appeal or requesting a "good cause" exception for the late application, especially when SSA's own mistakes caused the delay. You might also want to contact your local SSA office in person if phone calls aren't getting you anywhere - sometimes face-to-face meetings yield better results. And definitely consider requesting your complete SSA file through FOIA like Romeo mentioned earlier. That file might contain evidence of your earlier contact attempts that could support a case for extended retroactive benefits.

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I'm so sorry for your loss, Dmitry. Reading through this thread, I'm really impressed by how thoroughly and thoughtfully you've handled such a complex situation during an incredibly difficult time. The community here has provided excellent guidance, and it's clear you've taken all the right steps. One additional point I wanted to mention - since you mentioned your mother was on Medicaid in a nursing home, you might want to keep detailed records of the Social Security payment reclaim when it happens. Sometimes state Medicaid agencies need documentation of these transactions for their own record-keeping, especially if there are any estate recovery proceedings later on. Having that paper trail could save you headaches down the road. Also, regarding joint bank accounts and Medicaid estate recovery - each state has different rules about how they handle jointly-owned assets, so definitely follow up with your state's Medicaid office as others have suggested. Some states have lookback periods or exemptions that might apply to your situation. You've really done everything right, and I hope the lump sum death benefit comes through quickly for you. Take care of yourself during this difficult time.

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Amy, that's such an important point about keeping records of the Social Security reclaim for Medicaid purposes - I hadn't even thought about that! You're absolutely right that having that documentation could be crucial later on. I'll make sure to screenshot or save any bank statements showing when they withdraw that October payment. And I'll definitely be more thorough when I contact our state Medicaid office about estate recovery rules. It seems like every step in this process has multiple layers I wouldn't have considered on my own. This community has been such a blessing in helping me think through all these interconnected issues while I'm still trying to process everything emotionally. Thank you for adding that perspective about the state-specific rules - it's exactly the kind of detail that could make a big difference down the road.

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I'm so sorry for your loss, Dmitry. What a difficult time this must be for you. Reading through this entire thread, I'm struck by how well you've handled such a complex situation while grieving. The advice you've received here has been excellent, and it's clear you've taken all the right steps. I wanted to add one small thing that might be helpful - when you do get that timeline document together that Beatrice suggested, consider also including the contact information for the specific SSA office or agent you worked with. Sometimes having a direct contact can be invaluable if you need to follow up or if questions arise later. Also, since you mentioned feeling overwhelmed by all of this initially, please know that what you're experiencing is completely normal. Navigating government benefits and estate matters while grieving is genuinely challenging, and you should be proud of how thoroughly and responsibly you've approached everything. Take care of yourself during this difficult time, and don't hesitate to reach out to this community again if other questions come up as you continue handling your mother's affairs.

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