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Social Security survivor benefits at 65 - will they be reduced before FRA or not?

I just turned 65 and planning to retire in January 2025. I've been looking at my Social Security options and I'm confused about survivor benefits. My late husband's benefit amount is higher than what mine will ever be, so I want to claim his benefits. I was under the impression that if I took his survivor benefits before my Full Retirement Age (which I haven't reached yet), the amount would be reduced. But yesterday I spoke with someone who said survivor benefits from my husband wouldn't be reduced, and only MY OWN retirement benefits would be reduced if I claimed those early instead. This seems too good to be true? Could it matter whether my husband had reached his FRA when he started collecting? I honestly can't remember if he had reached his FRA when he began receiving benefits before he passed. Can anyone clarify how this works with survivor benefits claimed before FRA? Thanks for any help!

Based on what you've shared, here's what I recommend: 1. First, verify your husband's claiming history by contacting SSA (whether through regular channels or using a service to help you get through) 2. Ask specifically about: - When your husband began collecting benefits - What his PIA (Primary Insurance Amount) was - How the RIB-LIM rule affects your specific situation 3. Request a benefit calculation for these scenarios: - Taking your survivor benefits now (reduced amount) - Taking your own retirement benefit now, then switching to survivor benefits at your FRA Once you have these specific numbers, you can make an informed decision. The difference could potentially be thousands of dollars over your lifetime, so it's worth doing this research.

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Thank you so much for this detailed plan. I'll follow these exact steps and get the information I need before making any decisions. I appreciate everyone's help with this confusing topic!

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I went through this exact situation 3 years ago when I was 64. The misinformation is unfortunately very common - even some SSA representatives don't always have the details right. Here's what I learned the hard way: survivor benefits ARE reduced if you take them before your FRA, period. The reduction is permanent too, so you can't "undo" it later. What saved me financially was doing exactly what Justin suggested - I took my own smaller retirement benefit at 64, then switched to the full survivor benefit when I hit my FRA at 66. This gave me income for those 2 years while preserving the higher survivor benefit amount. The key is getting YOUR specific numbers from SSA because everyone's situation is different based on earnings history and when benefits were claimed. Don't rely on general advice (including mine!) - get your actual benefit estimates in writing before deciding.

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When to apply for Social Security at age 70 to get maximum benefits in December 2024?

My 70th birthday is coming up on December 15, 2024, and I want to make sure I get the maximum Social Security retirement benefit. I've waited all these years to get the delayed retirement credits, and I don't want to mess up at the finish line! I've heard different advice about when to actually submit my application - 3 months before? 1 month before? Should I apply now or wait until closer to my birthday? I'm worried that if I apply too early, they might start my benefits before I turn 70, but if I wait too long, I might miss out on my December payment. Anyone know the exact timing for applying to ensure I get my full benefit starting exactly in December?

Thanks everyone for the helpful information! I'll go ahead and apply in September and make sure to specify December 2024 as my start month. And I'll remember that the first payment will arrive in January. I appreciate all the suggestions and personal experiences shared here.

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You're making a smart move applying in September! Just wanted to add one more tip that helped me when I applied - keep a copy of your confirmation number and any emails SSA sends you. I also recommend checking your my Social Security account online periodically after applying to track the status. The online portal will show when your application moves through different stages of processing. Good luck with everything, and enjoy those maximum benefits you've earned by waiting!

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Social Security SSDI Trial Work Period: Does SSA count when wages are EARNED or RECEIVED for TWP months?

I'm trying to help my son (27) navigate his first Trial Work Period with SSDI. He's been on disability for 3 years due to severe bipolar disorder, but he's doing well enough to try part-time work at a local warehouse. I'm confused about how SSA tracks his Trial Work Period months though. Does Social Security count the gross wages as WORKED/EARNED in a specific month or when they were actually RECEIVED/PAID? This seems really important for determining which months count toward his 9-month TWP. For example, his last pay period was May 26-June 8, but he got paid on June 15. Some of those hours were worked in May, some in June. If he worked enough hours in May to go over the TWP threshold ($1,110 for 2025?), but the actual paycheck came in June, which month gets counted? And if SSA goes by when the work was PERFORMED rather than PAID, how do they even figure that out? His paystubs don't break down which hours were worked on which dates - only his timesheets show that detail, and SSA doesn't ask for timesheets, just paystubs. Any insights from those who've dealt with this? I'm worried about accidentally triggering TWP months or worse, having him get an overpayment later because we reported incorrectly.

There's no specific SSA form for breaking down cross-month earnings. A simple typed or handwritten note attached to your wage report is sufficient. I recommend something like: "For pay period 5/26/25-6/8/25 (paid 6/15/25), earnings were earned as follows: $X.XX earned in May and $X.XX earned in June based on attached timesheet." Keep copies of everything you submit. And when you report through the my Social Security portal, take screenshots as proof of submission. One important point nobody has mentioned: After the 9-month TWP is complete, your son will enter the Extended Period of Eligibility (EPE) for 36 months. During EPE, he can still receive SSDI benefits in any month he earns below Substantial Gainful Activity (SGA) level ($1,550/month for 2025). This is when precise tracking becomes even more important.

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wait what happens after the 36 month EPE thing?? does SSDI just stop forever if u work to much?? my brothers been getting ssdi for like 3yrs but his mental health goes up n down and sometimes he can work but then has bad episodes

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Thanks everyone for your helpful responses. It sounds like officially SSA counts when the money is EARNED, but in practice they often go by the pay period end date on the paystub unless there's a specific reason to look more closely at it. I'm going to: 1. Keep detailed records of which hours my son works on which days 2. Submit all paystubs promptly through his my Social Security account 3. Include notes explaining the breakdown for pay periods that cross months 4. Keep all timesheets as backup documentation It's frustrating that something seemingly so simple is actually so complicated! But I appreciate all your insights and experiences.

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@Mia Alvarez After the 36-month EPE ends, if your brother is still earning above SGA level consistently, his SSDI would terminate. However, there are some important protections: 1 He) can request Expedited "Reinstatement within" 5 years if his condition worsens and he can t'work again - no need to reapply from scratch, 2 There) s'also something called unsuccessful "work attempt provisions" that can protect benefits if he tries to work but has to stop due to his disability within 6 months. Given that your brother has bipolar like (the OP s'son ,)the episodic nature of mental health conditions is something SSA does consider. I d'recommend he speak with a disability advocate or attorney before his EPE period ends to understand all his options.

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How to actually apply for Social Security child benefits without endless phone wait times?

I just found out my 16-year-old might qualify for Social Security child benefits now that I'm collecting retirement benefits. Got the letter from SSA last week explaining this, but it just says to contact them either by phone or visit a local office. Well, that's been a complete disaster! Called my local office yesterday - was on hold for 45 minutes before getting disconnected. Then tried the national number today and waited 3.5 HOURS only to get an agent who seemed rushed and barely answered my questions. The SSA website clearly states I can't apply for child benefits online, so I'm stuck in phone/office purgatory. Has anyone successfully navigated getting child benefits for teenagers? Any tips for actually making contact without wasting an entire day? I'm wondering if I should just camp outside the local office before they open, but with my back issues, standing in line for hours isn't ideal. Is there a secret time to call when wait times are shorter? Any advice would be so appreciated!

I was in your exact situation two months ago with my 17-year-old daughter. After wasting days trying to get through on the phone, I tried that Claimyr service someone mentioned above. Got connected to an agent in about 20 minutes and had the whole application done in another 30. My daughter's first payment arrived about 3 weeks later. They backpaid from when I first got my benefits too!

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did they make u give them all your info? sounds sketch tbh

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I'm going through the exact same frustrating process right now! Just got my letter about potential benefits for my 15-year-old last week. The phone system is absolutely broken - I've tried calling multiple times and either get disconnected or the wait times are insane. One thing I learned from reading through all these comments is that I need to gather ALL the documents beforehand. I'm going to try the early morning call strategy on Wednesday that someone mentioned, and if that doesn't work, I'll show up at the local office before they open with a folding chair and every piece of paperwork I can think of. It's ridiculous that in 2025 we still have to jump through these hoops for something that should be straightforward. Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences - at least now I know I'm not alone in this nightmare!

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Survivor benefits after ex-spouse's death - will my SS payments increase if I was already collecting on his record?

I've been receiving ex-spousal Social Security benefits since I turned 62 (about 4 years ago). My ex started his benefits when he was around 64. We were married for 22 years before divorcing in 2005. I just found out he passed away last week, and I'm wondering if my monthly benefit amount will automatically increase now? Currently getting about $1,275/month based on his earnings record. I'm not sure if survivor benefits for an ex-spouse work differently than spousal benefits, or if they're even available since I'm already collecting. Does anyone know if I need to contact SSA about this or will they automatically adjust my payment? Thanks for any guidance on this confusing situation.

Has anyone mentioned that you need to apply within 60 days? My sister waited too long and had issues. And don't forget there's a one-time death benefit of $255 you might be eligible for too!

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The 60-day rule isn't accurate for survivor benefits. You can apply for survivor benefits up to 6 months retroactively. However, waiting longer means potentially losing months of higher payments. As for the $255 death benefit, that typically goes to a current spouse or dependent children, not an ex-spouse (even a surviving divorced spouse).

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I'm sorry for your loss, Selena. I went through something very similar when my ex-husband passed away in 2022. You absolutely need to contact SSA immediately - they don't automatically know about the death or switch your benefits. When I called, my monthly payment increased from around $1,100 to $1,850, which was a huge help during a difficult time. Make sure you have his death certificate, your marriage certificate, and divorce decree ready when you call. The process took about 5-6 weeks for me, but the increased payment was retroactive to the month I reported his death. Don't wait - every month you delay could mean losing money you're entitled to. The survivor benefit should be significantly higher than your current divorced spouse benefit, even with the early filing reduction.

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