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The SSA systems for SSI and retirement benefits don't communicate well with each other, so BE PERSISTENT! When my husband retired, they didn't automatically check if our disabled son qualified for benefits on his record. I had to specifically request it, then follow up multiple times. Don't assume they'll handle everything correctly the first time. Document EVERY conversation (get names, dates, confirmation numbers) and follow up if you don't hear anything within a couple weeks after your interview.

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Thanks for the advice! I'll start keeping a notebook with all the details from each interaction. Should I call to follow up if I don't hear anything within two weeks of the interview?

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my daughters medicaid got messed up when she switched from ssi to dac benefits and it took MONTHS to fix!!! call your state medicaid office right away to ask about medicaid for disabled adult children who loss ssi. don't wait for ssa to tell you becuz they might not!

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This is excellent advice. SSA handles the Social Security benefits transition, but they often don't adequately explain the Medicaid implications, which are handled at the state level. Being proactive about Medicaid continuation is crucial.

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@username505 No, it was pretty straightforward. They just need your phone number so they can call you when an agent is ready. They don't need your SSN or any of your personal Social Security information.

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I tried calling SSA last week and was on hold for 1 hour 45 minutes before I had to hang up to pick up my grandkid from school. Might try this service thing cause I'm so DONE with these ridiculous wait times!!

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To directly answer your original question - yes, the maximum benefit for someone filing at FRA is increasing for 2025, and yes, this is separate from the COLA adjustment. The COLA applies to people already receiving benefits, while the maximum benefit calculation applies to new filers. However, this doesn't mean you'll get more than a 2.5% increase overall. Your benefit is calculated based on your own earnings history, not on what the maximum potential benefit is. The only way this affects you personally is through small adjustments to the PIA calculation formula that happens each year. For most people, these formula adjustments result in very small differences - we're talking about maybe $5-15 per month different than if you had filed with the exact same earnings history the previous year. Your claiming age and earnings history are FAR more important factors in determining your benefit amount.

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Thank you! This is exactly what I needed to know. Sounds like I should just proceed with my original plan to file when I reach my FRA in 2025, and not worry too much about these year-to-year formula changes.

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Thank you all for the incredibly helpful responses! I've made a list of questions based on your suggestions. One more thing - has anyone dealt with the lump sum retroactive payment? If I take the 6 months retroactive benefits, does that permanently reduce my monthly amount as if I had filed 6 months earlier? Or do I still get my full FRA amount going forward?

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Yes, this is important to understand! If you take the 6 months of retroactive benefits, your monthly benefit amount WILL be permanently calculated as if you filed 6 months before your FRA. This means your monthly payment would be approximately 3.3% lower than your full FRA benefit amount for the rest of your life. Whether this makes financial sense depends on your life expectancy and immediate need for funds. If you need a lump sum now, it might be worth it. If you're in good health and expect to live a long time, it might be better to forego the retroactive benefits and take the higher monthly amount.

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when i had my call they rushed me through everything and i forgot half my questions! write everything down ahead of time and dont let them rush you. if you have a spouse definitely mention that because they might not ask. good luck!!

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Thanks for the advice! I'll definitely write everything down and make sure to mention my wife's situation.

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wait so can he get benefits from both his own record AND his ex-wife's? or just the bigger one? i'm confused about this part

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You only get the larger of the two benefits, not both. Social Security will pay your own retirement benefit first, then supplement it if the survivor benefit would be higher. So if your own benefit is $2,000 and the survivor benefit would be $2,500, you'd receive a total of $2,500 (not $4,500). This is why it's important to know both amounts before making claiming decisions.

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Thank you all for the responses! This has been incredibly helpful. I've made an appointment with SSA for next month and will specifically ask about surviving divorced spouse benefits. I'm gathering all my documents, including our marriage certificate, divorce decree, and her SSN. From what you've all shared, it sounds like I might be eligible since we were married over 10 years, even though we both remarried. I'll update once I learn more from SSA - this forum has already given me a much better starting point than I had before!

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Sounds like you're on the right track! One additional tip: when you have your appointment, make sure to ask them to run calculations showing how different claiming ages would affect both your retirement benefit and any potential survivor benefit. Sometimes delaying one type of benefit while claiming another can maximize your lifetime payout. Good luck!

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DONT FORGET!!! If you start collecting any SS while working under FRA (67 for you), you're subject to the earnings limit ($21,240 in 2023). They take away $1 in benefits for every $2 you earn over that amount. But they add it back later, which no one tells you!!

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You're absolutely right about the earnings test. For 2025, the limit is actually $24,150 for those under FRA. And yes, once you reach FRA, SSA recalculates your benefit to credit you for the months when benefits were withheld. But the early filing reduction is still permanent - that's important to understand.

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This whole system is DELIBERATELY CONFUSING!! I spent HOURS on the phone with SS last year to figure out my divorced spouse benefits. Then after all that they sent me a letter saying I wasn't eligible yet because my ex hadn't filed! Complete waste of time and the rules make no sense whatsoever.

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You're correct that the rules can be confusing, but there's actually a specific provision for divorced spouses. If you've been divorced for at least 2 years, you CAN receive benefits on your ex's record even if they haven't filed yet (as long as they're eligible). This is called the "independently entitled divorced spouse" provision. If you were told otherwise, you might want to speak with a different SSA representative.

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One more thing to consider - since this involves a cancer case, you should mention to the Tampa office that this falls under Compassionate Allowances guidelines. This might help prioritize getting these documents processed quickly once they receive them. Also, document EVERYTHING about your attempts to submit these records. Note the date, time, and name of every person you speak with. If your husband's back payments get delayed because of their document mishandling, this documentation will be important for appealing any issues with the retroactive payment date.

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Thank you for this additional advice. I haven't specifically mentioned Compassionate Allowances in our previous communications, so I'll definitely bring that up. And I've started keeping a detailed log of all our interactions since this issue began. I appreciate your help!

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just wondering did u get a receipt when u dropped off the papers?? they supposed to give u one i think. that could help prove u actually gave them the stuff if they try to deny it later

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The representative gave us something, but it was just a generic timestamp receipt that doesn't specifically list what documents we provided. I wish I had asked for an itemized receipt now. Lesson learned for next time.

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To summarize what everyone's discussed: 1. Your teacher's pension is NOT considered wages for the SSA application 2. Only include the $850 self-employment income as wages 3. Be aware of the Government Pension Offset (GPO), which will likely reduce your spousal benefits by 2/3 of your pension amount 4. Since you're under FRA (63), the earnings test applies, but your self-employment income is well below the threshold I'd recommend scheduling an appointment with SSA to discuss the GPO impact specifically before finalizing your application. They can calculate the exact reduction to your spousal benefit.

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Thank you for this clear summary! I'll definitely make an appointment to discuss the GPO. I had no idea my teacher's pension would affect my spousal benefits. Glad I asked here before submitting my application.

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when is your birthday? if your turning 64 soon maybe wait? the earnings limit goes up when you hit your FRA year

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I'm turning 64 in November, but my husband is 67 and already collecting his benefits. From what I understand, I can apply for spousal benefits now, I'll just get a reduced amount because I'm not at my FRA yet. But now with this GPO issue, I definitely need professional advice.

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Just wanted to say that once you get your benefit comparison, make sure you understand the impact of claiming early vs. waiting. I claimed at 62 on my ex's record and now regret it. Would have gotten 30% more if I'd waited until my FRA. No one explained that clearly to me at the time.

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This is an excellent point. At FRA (which would be 67 for someone turning 62 next month), you'd get 50% of your ex's PIA. But claiming at 62 reduces that to about 32.5% of their PIA. The reduction is permanent. Sometimes it makes sense to take your own reduced benefit at 62 and then switch to the spousal benefit at your FRA if that would be higher. This is exactly why getting that benefit comparison calculation is so important for making an informed decision.

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One quick tip - take detailed notes during any conversation with SSA. I always write down the date, time, name of the person I spoke with, and what they told me. Saved me multiple times when different reps gave conflicting info!

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That's really smart advice. I'll definitely do that. I'm starting to think I need to try both approaches - try to get through by phone first using that Claimyr service, and if that doesn't work out, bite the bullet and schedule an in-person appointment.

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Social Security specialist here. To clarify the rules definitively: 1. When you claim a spousal benefit at your full retirement age (67 for you), you are entitled to 50% of your husband's Primary Insurance Amount (PIA), which is the benefit amount he would receive at his full retirement age. 2. The fact that your husband claimed early at 62 and receives a reduced benefit does NOT affect your spousal benefit calculation. 3. However, if you were to claim spousal benefits before your own FRA, your spousal benefit would be permanently reduced. 4. Also important: you'll only receive the higher of either your own retirement benefit or the spousal benefit, not both. Based on your numbers (your benefit at FRA = $1,050, potential spousal benefit = $1,200), the spousal benefit would be more advantageous. I recommend claiming in the month you reach your FRA to maximize your benefit.

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Thank you so much for this clear explanation! This matches what I understood from my research, but it's been so hard to get consistent information. I appreciate you breaking it down step by step.

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Has anyone dealt with the extra complications if one spouse worked for state government? My friend's husband never paid into Social Security (teacher in Illinois) and it completely changed how her benefits were calculated because of something called WEP or GPO? Just wondering if that applies here too?

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That's a different situation involving the Government Pension Offset (GPO) and Windfall Elimination Provision (WEP). These rules affect people who receive pensions from jobs not covered by Social Security. Since the original poster didn't mention a government pension, these provisions likely don't apply in her case.

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My situation was similar but I had a completely different outcome. My husband died, I got survivors benefits, kept working, had some reductions. I'm thinking the rules must have changed recently? Because when I switched to my own benefit two years ago, they did some kind of adjustment. Maybe talk to a different SSA person?

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What likely happened in your case is that you were receiving reduced retirement benefits along with survivor benefits (this happens in some situations), rather than survivor benefits alone. When retirement benefits are reduced due to the earnings test, there is indeed a recalculation at FRA to account for those months. Survivor benefits don't get this same treatment when you switch to retirement. It's a common area of confusion even among some SSA representatives.

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Thank you everyone for the helpful information! I'm going to schedule my appointment to file for retirement benefits soon, and I'll make sure to check my earnings record carefully beforehand. It's disappointing about not getting those deductions back, but at least now I understand how it works and won't be surprised. I appreciate all your insights!

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