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I'm so sorry for your family's loss. This situation is unfortunately more common than it should be. As someone who has dealt with SSA bureaucracy, I wanted to add a few things that might help your sister-in-law: 1. If she has any hospital records from when the baby was born that show your brother's name as the father, those can be very powerful evidence since they're created at the time of birth. 2. Consider checking if your brother had any life insurance policies through work that listed the baby as a beneficiary - this documentation often gets accepted. 3. Bank statements showing your brother made deposits or payments for baby-related expenses can also help establish the father-child relationship. The key is to bring multiple forms of evidence rather than relying on just one document. SSA representatives seem to feel more confident approving claims when they see a "pattern" of evidence rather than a single piece of documentation. Also, if possible, try to schedule the appointment for earlier in the day when the staff is less overwhelmed and more likely to take time to properly review everything. Best of luck to your family!

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Thank you for the condolences and these additional suggestions. The hospital records idea is brilliant - I'll have her contact the hospital where my nephew was born to see if they have any records beyond what's on the birth certificate. She might also have some bank statements showing baby expenses since my brother was very involved in buying everything for the nursery. I really appreciate everyone's help here - it's giving us so many options to try. This community has been incredibly supportive during such a difficult time.

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I work for a nonprofit that helps families navigate SSA claims, and this situation is unfortunately becoming more common. Here's what I'd recommend your sister-in-law do immediately: 1. Request a supervisor review at the SSA office - don't accept "no" from the first representative 2. Bring a comprehensive packet including: marriage certificate, birth certificate, health insurance documents, tax returns showing the child as a dependent, and any photos/social media posts of your brother with the baby 3. Specifically ask them to apply the "marital presumption of paternity" under your state's inheritance laws If they still deny it, she should file Form SSA-561 (Request for Reconsideration) within 60 days. Also, consider contacting your local congressman's office - they often have staff who specialize in helping constituents with federal agency issues like this. The fact that they were married when the child was born should absolutely be sufficient under federal regulations. This sounds like an overzealous claims representative rather than proper policy application. Don't give up - your nephew is entitled to these benefits!

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This is incredibly helpful advice! I didn't know we could contact our congressman's office for help with SSA issues - that's a great backup option if the supervisor review doesn't work. The "marital presumption of paternity" language you mentioned sounds exactly like what she needs to use. I'm going to help her put together that comprehensive packet with all the documents everyone has suggested. It's reassuring to know that this should be sufficient under federal regulations and that we're not asking for something unreasonable. Thank you for giving us hope that we can get this resolved!

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Social Security survivor benefits timing - can I delay until FRA after taking my own SS early?

I'm turning 62 next month and plan to start my Social Security retirement benefits early. My situation is a bit complicated though. My husband is 74 (we have a 12-year age gap) and already collecting his benefits since his full retirement age. His benefit amount is significantly higher than mine will be. I work part-time at a local craft store, making well under the annual earnings limit (about $14,000/year). My main concern is about survivor benefits. If my husband passes away before I reach my full retirement age, I've been told I can choose to switch to survivor benefits at my FRA to get 100% of his amount instead of taking reduced survivor benefits immediately. I called SSA last week and a representative confirmed this, but I've heard so many conflicting things about Social Security rules that I'm not completely confident. If this is correct, I plan to notify the funeral home and call SSA directly to prevent any automatic benefit conversions when the time comes. Financially, I have enough savings to wait until FRA for the higher survivor amount if needed. I've done calculations using the statements SSA provided, and it would take until my husband reaches age 92 for me to break even by waiting until my FRA to claim my own benefits instead of taking them early. This seems to support my plan to file early. Am I missing anything important I should consider before submitting my application? Any other factors that could affect this strategy?

Your strategy is sound, and it's great that you're planning ahead! One thing I'd add to the excellent advice already given: consider requesting a formal benefit estimate in writing from SSA that specifically outlines your survivor benefit options. When you visit the local office (as Katherine suggested), ask them to document not just your current benefit amounts, but also what your survivor benefit would be at different claiming ages. Also, since you mentioned your husband is 74 and already collecting, make sure you both understand how his benefit amount could change if he decides to suspend and restart at a later age (though this becomes less advantageous the older he gets). This probably won't affect your strategy, but it's worth confirming. One last thought: have you considered consulting with a fee-only financial planner who specializes in Social Security strategies? Even a one-time consultation could help validate your calculations and potentially identify any scenarios you haven't considered. The peace of mind might be worth the cost given the complexity of your situation.

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This is really helpful advice! Getting a formal written estimate that specifically covers the survivor benefit scenarios is a great idea - I want to make sure I have all the numbers documented clearly before I make my decision. I hadn't considered that my husband might have options to suspend and restart his benefits. At 74, I'm guessing that wouldn't make much financial sense, but you're right that it's worth confirming how that could impact my planning. The suggestion about a fee-only financial planner is interesting. Do you happen to know if there are planners who specialize specifically in Social Security strategies? I'd want to make sure I'm working with someone who really understands all these nuances rather than just general retirement planning.

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Yes, there are financial planners who specialize specifically in Social Security optimization! Look for advisors who hold certifications like RSSA (Registered Social Security Analyst) or NSSA (National Social Security Advisor). The National Association of Registered Social Security Analysts has a directory on their website where you can search by location. You can also check the XY Planning Network or NAPFA (National Association of Personal Financial Advisors) websites - both have search filters that let you find fee-only planners who specialize in Social Security strategies. A good Social Security specialist should be able to run scenarios using software that models different claiming strategies and can factor in variables like your part-time income, tax implications, and life expectancy assumptions. They typically charge anywhere from $300-800 for a comprehensive Social Security analysis. One thing to ask any planner you're considering: make sure they're up to date on the current rules around survivor benefits and deemed filing exceptions, since these rules have changed several times over the past decade and some advisors may not be current on all the nuances.

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While your father's retirement benefits will be suspended during incarceration, it's important to know that some programs like SSI have different rules than regular Social Security retirement. With SSI, benefits can be suspended for up to 12 months before termination, but with traditional retirement benefits, they're just suspended and can be reinstated after release regardless of how long the incarceration lasts. Make sure you're applying for reinstatement as soon as possible after release. Also, if your father was receiving any other benefits like food stamps, housing assistance, etc., those all have different rules during incarceration. Each program requires separate notification for reinstatement.

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Actually thats not entirely right - even SS retirement DOES have limits if incarceration is for a FELONY and goes beyond certain timeframes. My friend's dad lost eligibility completely after a 7 year sentence related to financial crimes. There are exceptions!!!

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Thanks everyone for the helpful responses. I feel much better prepared now. To summarize: his benefits will be suspended (not terminated), we need to get them reinstated right after release with proper documentation, and I should plan for 2-3 weeks without income after his release while SSA processes everything. I should also figure out how to handle his Medicare premiums while he's incarcerated. I'm going to look into getting power of attorney so I can help manage all this while he's inside.

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@Zara Shah That s'excellent advice about scheduling the appointment ahead of time! I ve'heard horror stories about people waiting 4-5 hours at SSA offices. Do you know if they can schedule the appointment while he s'still incarcerated, or do we need to wait until after his release? I m'wondering if having the appointment already set up for the day after release would make the whole process smoother.

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@Logan Scott You can definitely schedule the appointment while he s'still incarcerated! I d'recommend calling SSA about 2-3 weeks before his expected release date. They typically book appointments 1-2 weeks out, so timing it right means you can have that appointment ready for the day after he gets out. Just make sure you have his Social Security number and basic info when you call. Having that appointment pre-scheduled will save you so much stress during an already overwhelming time.

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To clarify a key point that comes up frequently in these discussions: the taxation of Social Security benefits and the earnings test are two completely separate concepts: 1. The earnings test only applies BEFORE Full Retirement Age and can reduce your benefits if you earn over certain limits. 2. Taxation of benefits can apply at ANY age and is based on your combined income (AGI + nontaxable interest + half of SS benefits). Reaching FRA eliminates the earnings test, but doesn't impact taxation. Many beneficiaries confuse these two distinct policies. It's also worth noting that these tax thresholds ($25,000/$34,000 for singles) haven't been adjusted for inflation since they were introduced in 1984, so they affect more beneficiaries each year.

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And THAT'S the real scandal! Those income thresholds from 1984 would be over TWICE as high if they were indexed for inflation! Just another example of how the system is rigged against seniors. They never update the thresholds, so more and more of us get our benefits taxed every year as inflation pushes our incomes up!

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As someone who just went through this transition myself, I completely understand your confusion! The distinction between the earnings test and taxation is one of the most misunderstood aspects of Social Security. You're absolutely right that your benefits won't be reduced for working at FRA, but unfortunately the taxation is a separate issue entirely. Based on your numbers ($32K work income + ~$14,700 which is half your annual SS), you'll likely have around 85% of your Social Security benefits subject to federal income tax. One thing that helped me was requesting tax withholding directly from my Social Security payments using Form W-4V. Since you're still working and probably having taxes withheld from your paycheck, you might want to adjust your withholding there instead to account for the additional tax on your SS benefits. Also, since you're in accounting, you might already know this, but don't forget that you can still contribute to retirement accounts while working - even traditional IRAs if you meet the income requirements. This could help reduce your taxable income and potentially lower the amount of SS benefits subject to tax. The whole system definitely feels like a bait-and-switch sometimes, but at least you're still coming out ahead financially by continuing to work!

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This is such great practical advice! I'm completely new to all of this Social Security stuff and the taxation rules are honestly overwhelming. The Form W-4V option sounds really helpful - I hadn't heard of that before. I'm wondering though, if I have taxes withheld from both my work paycheck AND my SS benefits, won't I end up over-withholding? How do you figure out the right balance between the two? Also, you mentioned traditional IRA contributions - I thought there were age limits on those?

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Update: I finally got through to someone at SSA after being on hold for 2 hours. They said my provisional payments should start within the next 2-3 weeks and that my case has been assigned to an examiner for review. Feeling a bit relieved but still worried about making it until then. Thanks everyone for the advice and support!

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Thats good news! Hope it comes through fast for you

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That's such great news! I'm so happy you finally got through to someone who could give you actual information. 2-3 weeks for provisional payments sounds much more reasonable than what some people are experiencing. Make sure to keep that reference number or case number from your call if they gave you one - it can help speed things up if you need to call again. You've been through the hardest part already by getting all your paperwork submitted quickly. Hang in there, you're almost through this nightmare!

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That's really encouraging to hear! I'm new to this community but have been lurking and reading about SSDI issues. Your experience gives me hope that the system, while frustrating, does eventually work. I'm curious - did they give you any sense of how long the full reinstatement decision might take once the provisional payments start? Also, for someone like me who's considering applying for SSDI, is there anything you wish you had known earlier about the work reporting requirements to avoid this situation?

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