Is Social Security taxable? Confused about federal taxes at FRA
Just found out I might have to pay TAXES on my Social Security benefits when I reach my full retirement age (FRA) in February! I thought SS benefits were tax-free - that's what my neighbor kept telling me. Now I'm reading conflicting information online about the IRS taxing up to 85% of benefits?? This seems so unfair after paying into the system my whole life. Can someone explain how this works? Does it depend on my other income sources? I have a small pension ($2,200/month) and some investment income. Do I need to make quarterly tax payments once I start collecting? Really don't want to mess this up and get penalized by the IRS. Any advice from folks who are already dealing with this would be really appreciated!
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Mateo Warren
Yes, Social Security benefits can definitely be taxable at the federal level. It depends on your "combined income" which is: - Your adjusted gross income - Plus nontaxable interest - Plus half of your Social Security benefits For 2025, if you file as an individual and your combined income is: - Between $25,000 and $34,000: up to 50% of benefits may be taxable - Above $34,000: up to 85% of benefits may be taxable For married filing jointly: - Between $32,000 and $44,000: up to 50% of benefits may be taxable - Above $44,000: up to 85% of benefits may be taxable With your pension and investments, you'll likely have some portion taxed. You might want to consider having federal taxes withheld from your SS payments (use Form W-4V) or make quarterly estimated tax payments.
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Lydia Bailey
•Thank you for explaining! So with my pension alone ($26,400 annually), I'm already over the threshold? That's so depressing. Do most retirees end up paying taxes on their benefits?
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Sofia Price
ur neighbor is wrong lol. been paying taxes on my SS for years. its the worst. but theres like a calculation sheet in the 1040 instructions that helps figure it out. or tax software does it for you
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Alice Coleman
•Yeah but not everyone pays taxes on SS! My mom doesn't pay a penny on hers because her only income is SS and a tiny pension. It TOTALLY depends on your other income. The calculation is in Publication 915 from the IRS.
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Owen Jenkins
When I reached FRA last year, I was SHOCKED at the tax situation. Nobody tells you about this stuff! I have a pension about the same size as yours and yes, I'm paying taxes on 85% of my Social Security. It's absolutely CRIMINAL that they tax benefits we already paid for with our FICA taxes during our working years. Double taxation if you ask me!!! Make sure you either have withholding set up or make quarterly payments. I got hit with a penalty my first year because I didn't know.
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Lilah Brooks
•Same thing happened to me. Actually calling the SSA and getting the Form W-4V to set up withholding was a nightmare. I must have called 50 times before I finally got through to someone. Now they withhold 10% which isn't perfect but it's close enough.
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Jackson Carter
I want to clarify something important: The IRS doesn't tax up to 85% of your total benefits - rather, up to 85% of your benefits may be *included* in your taxable income. The actual tax you pay depends on your tax bracket. Also, 13 states tax Social Security benefits: Colorado, Connecticut, Kansas, Minnesota, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, New Mexico, North Dakota, Rhode Island, Utah, Vermont, and West Virginia. Each state has different rules about exemptions and income thresholds. For your situation with a $2,200 monthly pension plus investment income, you'll almost certainly have some portion of your SS benefits included in your taxable income. You should talk to a tax professional before you start collecting.
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Lydia Bailey
•Thanks for that clarification! I was definitely confused and thought they took 85% of my benefits. That makes more sense. I'm in Florida so at least I don't have to worry about state taxes on top of federal.
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Kolton Murphy
I just wanna mention that reaching FRA doesn't impact whether your benefits are taxable. That's determined solely by your income, not your age. You could claim early at 62 or wait till 70 - taxation works the same way regardless.
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Lydia Bailey
•Oh, I didn't realize that! I thought maybe there was some tax advantage to waiting until FRA. Thanks for pointing that out.
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Lilah Brooks
When I was trying to figure this out last year, I was getting so frustrated trying to reach someone at Social Security to help with tax withholding. I kept getting disconnected or waiting for hours. Ended up trying this service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) that someone on another forum recommended. They got me connected to a real SSA agent in about 10 minutes to set up my withholding. They have a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU The agent explained all my options and helped me complete the W-4V form to have 12% federal tax withheld from each payment. Saved me from having to deal with quarterly payments.
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Lydia Bailey
•Thanks for the tip! I was wondering how I would ever get through to ask questions. I'll check out that service when I'm ready to apply.
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Alice Coleman
Something else to consider is that your tax situation might change from year to year after you retire. For example, in years when you take larger distributions from retirement accounts, more of your SS might be taxable. In years when you have less income, less might be taxable. This is where tax planning becomes really valuable in retirement. Some people try to balance their income sources to minimize how much of their SS is subject to tax.
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Sofia Price
•thats a good point. i had to take a big IRA distribution last year for a new roof and it pushed more of my ss into the taxable range. wish i had thought about that timing better
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Mateo Warren
To answer your original question about quarterly tax payments - yes, you should consider making them if you won't have enough tax withheld from your pension and Social Security. The general rule is that you need to pay at least 90% of your current year tax or 100% of last year's tax (110% if your AGI was over $150,000) through withholding or estimated payments to avoid an underpayment penalty. Form 1040-ES is what you'll use for quarterly payments. The due dates are April 15, June 15, September 15, and January 15 of the following year.
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Lydia Bailey
•Thank you for the detailed information. I think I'll have taxes withheld from both my pension and SS to avoid having to deal with quarterly payments. This is all more complicated than I expected!
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Owen Jenkins
Don't forget that the taxable thresholds for Social Security have not been adjusted for inflation since they were introduced in 1984!!! The $25,000/$32,000 limits would be over $70,000/$90,000 if they had been indexed for inflation. More and more middle-class retirees get pushed into paying taxes on their benefits every year because of this. It's a total scam by the government!
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Jackson Carter
•That's actually a valid point. Those thresholds have never been adjusted for inflation, unlike many other parts of the tax code. This means that over time, a higher percentage of beneficiaries end up paying taxes on their benefits, even though the law wasn't originally designed that way.
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