Is Social Security taxable when working at Full Retirement Age (FRA)?
Hi everyone! I turned 67 last month and finally reached my Full Retirement Age. I've started collecting my Social Security benefits ($2,450/month) but I'm still working part-time at my accounting firm (making about $32,000/year). I always thought that once you reach FRA, your earnings don't affect your SS benefits, which seems to be true, but now I'm confused about the TAX situation. Does my earned income make my Social Security benefits taxable? And if so, how much of it will be taxed? My sister insists I won't owe any taxes on the SS part, but I've heard conflicting things. Any insights would be really appreciated!
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Ravi Malhotra
Unfortunately, your sister is incorrect. Social Security benefits can be taxable regardless of your age. It's based on your combined income, not whether you've reached FRA. Up to 85% of your benefits could be subject to income tax depending on your total income. The formula looks at your adjusted gross income + nontaxable interest + half of your Social Security benefits. For single filers: - If that total is under $25,000, your benefits aren't taxable - Between $25,000-$34,000, up to 50% may be taxable - Above $34,000, up to 85% may be taxable With your work income of $32,000 plus half your annual SS benefits (about $14,700), you're definitely in the taxable range.
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StarSurfer
•Oh no, that's disappointing! So even though working doesn't reduce my benefits at FRA, I'll still get hit with taxes. Is there anything I can do to reduce this tax burden? I was counting on keeping most of that SS money.
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Freya Christensen
This is one of the BIGGEST misunderstandings about Social Security!!! I went through the exact same thing last year. The government gets you coming and going - first they take SS tax from your paycheck your whole life, then they tax your SS benefits when you finally get them! It's totally ridiculous. And yes, working at FRA means your benefits aren't reduced, but they ARE still counted as taxable depending on your other income. The whole system is designed to confuse us seniors!!
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Omar Hassan
•Yup this is how they trick everyone. working at FRA is good cause they dont cut your SS check but bad cause taxes. cant win with these people lol
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Chloe Robinson
While it's true your benefits may be taxable, there are strategies to reduce the impact: 1. Consider qualified charitable distributions from IRAs if you're over 70½ 2. Be strategic about when you take taxable withdrawals from retirement accounts 3. Look into tax-loss harvesting with any investments 4. Max out deductible contributions to retirement accounts if still eligible FRA only affects the earnings test (whether they reduce benefits while working), not taxation. It's a common misconception that many of my clients have. Have you done any tax planning with a professional? With your accounting background, you might find some additional strategies specific to your situation.
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StarSurfer
•Thank you for these tips! I haven't done any specific tax planning for this situation yet. I only handle basic accounting at my firm, not tax strategy. I think I need to talk to our tax specialist at work. I'm particularly interested in the retirement account contributions since I'm still working.
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Diego Chavez
my uncle got hit with this last year he was so mad! he said almost 80% of his SS check was taxable because he keeps working. but he did say that he filled out some worksheet with his tax guy that helped figure it out. something about combined income? i think its on the SSA website too.
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Ravi Malhotra
•Yes, it's IRS Publication 915 and the worksheet is called the Social Security Benefits Worksheet. It helps calculate exactly how much of your benefits are taxable based on your specific situation. The SSA doesn't actually collect the taxes - that's handled by the IRS when you file your return.
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NeonNebula
I've been trying to reach someone at Social Security to ask this EXACT QUESTION for three weeks! Every time I call, I either get disconnected or told the wait time is over 2 hours. Has anyone had luck getting through to an actual person at SSA lately?
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Anastasia Kozlov
•I was having the same frustrating experience trying to reach SSA about my benefit calculation questions. After getting disconnected four times, I found this service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) that got me through to a real person at SSA in under 10 minutes. They have a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU It was actually a huge relief because I needed answers before making decisions about my retirement date. The SSA agent I spoke with confirmed everything about the taxation issue everyone's discussing here - work income doesn't affect benefits at FRA but can definitely make them taxable.
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Freya Christensen
Can I point out how RIDICULOUS it is that the SSA and IRS are technically separate agencies but they coordinate to tax our benefits?? The right hand absolutely knows what the left hand is doing when it comes to taking our money!! And what really burns me up is how they calculate that "combined income" thing. Using half your SS benefits plus all your other income is just a sneaky way to push more people into the taxable brackets. I retired thinking I'd finally get a break, but NOPE!
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Sean Kelly
•I understand your frustration, but the combined income formula has been in place since 1983. It wasn't designed to be sneaky - it was part of a bipartisan agreement to help keep Social Security solvent. The taxation of benefits only affects higher-income beneficiaries, with about 40% of people receiving Social Security having to pay some tax on their benefits.
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StarSurfer
Thank you all for the helpful information! I'm definitely going to look into those tax strategies and maybe meet with a tax professional. It's disappointing to learn that my benefits will be taxed, but at least I understand the situation better now. One more question - does my state also tax Social Security benefits, or is this just at the federal level?
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Chloe Robinson
•Great question! It varies by state. Currently, 12 states tax Social Security benefits: Colorado, Connecticut, Kansas, Minnesota, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, New Mexico, Rhode Island, Utah, Vermont, and West Virginia. Many have different thresholds and calculation methods than the federal government. Some follow the federal rules, while others have their own exemptions based on age or income. Which state are you in?
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Zara Mirza
I had this same issue! The whole FRA thing is so confusing. The benefits aren't reduced when you work which is nice but then taxed which isn't nice lol. I actually have a question too - does anyone know if the tax withholding form (W-4V) is worth filling out? Should I have SS withhold taxes automatically or just pay quarterly?
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Ravi Malhotra
•The W-4V voluntary withholding can be very helpful if you're concerned about owing a large amount at tax time. You can choose to have 7%, 10%, 12%, or 22% withheld. Given your income situation, 10% withholding might be appropriate, but it's worth calculating your specific tax situation. Some people prefer to handle it through quarterly estimated payments so they have more control over their cash flow throughout the year.
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Omar Hassan
my mom worked after FRA and she said everythng over like $80k combined made her SS taxable at the full 85%. but she said its still worth working cause the extra money even after taxes was way more than just living on SS alone
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StarSurfer
•That's a good point - even with the taxes, I'm still coming out ahead by working. I enjoy my job anyway, so I planned to continue for a few more years. I just wanted to budget correctly and understand the tax implications.
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Sean Kelly
To clarify a key point that comes up frequently in these discussions: the taxation of Social Security benefits and the earnings test are two completely separate concepts: 1. The earnings test only applies BEFORE Full Retirement Age and can reduce your benefits if you earn over certain limits. 2. Taxation of benefits can apply at ANY age and is based on your combined income (AGI + nontaxable interest + half of SS benefits). Reaching FRA eliminates the earnings test, but doesn't impact taxation. Many beneficiaries confuse these two distinct policies. It's also worth noting that these tax thresholds ($25,000/$34,000 for singles) haven't been adjusted for inflation since they were introduced in 1984, so they affect more beneficiaries each year.
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Freya Christensen
•And THAT'S the real scandal! Those income thresholds from 1984 would be over TWICE as high if they were indexed for inflation! Just another example of how the system is rigged against seniors. They never update the thresholds, so more and more of us get our benefits taxed every year as inflation pushes our incomes up!
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