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One additional tip for managing your withholding - you can change your withholding percentage at any time during the year if you find that 22% is too much or too little. Just submit Form W-4V (Voluntary Withholding Request) to SSA. I did this twice in my first year of collecting benefits as I figured out what worked best for my tax situation. It usually takes 1-2 months for the change to take effect, so plan accordingly if you need to adjust. Also worth noting that if you're married and your spouse also receives Social Security, you can have different withholding percentages on each person's benefits to fine-tune your overall tax strategy.

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This is really valuable information, especially about being able to adjust the withholding during the year! I didn't realize it was that flexible. The tip about married couples having different withholding percentages is particularly helpful - my spouse won't be eligible for benefits for another few years, so it's good to know we can optimize this when the time comes. Do you happen to know if there are any limits on how often you can change your withholding percentage in a given year?

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I totally don't understand or agree with the comment that withholding on SS benefits is before Medicare is deducted. I receive my first benefit in early September 2025, and I also had questions about the order in which medicare deductions and withholding are made, plus whether withholding is on the total benefit versus the benefit after medicare premiums/IRMAAs are deducted. I had heard different things from SSA agents. I just received my letters from SSA spelling this out, and it is very clear that everything stated previously on this thread is incorrect. From the letters (unless someone at SSA made an error-perish the thought), medicare premiums/IRMAAs are first deducted from my total benefit. The withholding percentage I selected on my W-4V (which is able to be done online now) is then subtracted from the remaining amount. For example, using some made-up numbers, if my total benefit is $4000, and my medicare amounts total $600, then my interim benefit is $3400. Next, 12% (in my case) of $3400 is computed ($408), and that is subtracted from $3400 to get a final net benefit of $2992. That is how the letter describes the computations and the order in which they are done.

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Rick, thank you so much for sharing this official documentation from SSA! This is exactly what we needed to clear up all the confusion. Your detailed example really helps - showing withholding calculated on $3400 after Medicare deductions rather than the full $4000 makes such a big difference. That would save me about $46 monthly with my 22% withholding rate. I'm planning to contact SSA myself to get written confirmation before my benefits start next month. Could you share what the specific SSA document was called that contained this calculation breakdown? Also, I'm very interested in your mention of being able to submit the W-4V online now - is that available through the my Social Security portal? It's really concerning that so many SSA phone representatives seem to have been giving out incorrect information about this. Your official letters are exactly the kind of authoritative source we need. Thanks for taking the time to share this with the community - it's going to help a lot of people plan their finances more accurately!

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Rick, this is absolutely crucial information and I really appreciate you sharing the official SSA documentation! This completely contradicts what I've been told and what everyone else has shared from their experiences. Your calculation example is crystal clear - withholding on $3400 after Medicare deductions versus the full $4000 would save $72 monthly, which is huge for budgeting purposes. I'm definitely going to request my own written documentation from SSA before my benefits start. Could you please share the specific name or document number of the SSA letter that outlined this calculation method? Also, I'm very interested in your mention of the W-4V being available online now - is that through the my Social Security portal? It's really troubling that so many SSA phone representatives seem to be providing incorrect information about such a fundamental calculation. This really emphasizes why we need everything in writing rather than relying on phone conversations. Thanks for bringing the actual official facts to this discussion - this is going to help so many people plan their retirement finances correctly!

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As a newcomer to this community, I want to add my perspective as someone who recently made this decision at age 64. Yes, Social Security benefits absolutely increase monthly - every single month you delay counts toward a higher benefit! I delayed filing for 18 months past my FRA and it increased my monthly benefit by about $320. What really helped me was tracking the exact monthly increases using the SSA online calculator that others have mentioned. One thing I haven't seen discussed much is how your decision affects Medicare timing if you're still on employer health insurance. Since Medicare enrollment has its own rules and deadlines separate from Social Security, you need to coordinate both decisions carefully. I almost made the mistake of assuming they were tied together! Also, for anyone still working part-time while deciding when to claim, remember that the earnings test only applies if you claim before your FRA - after that, you can earn as much as you want without affecting your benefits. This thread has been so helpful seeing everyone's different situations and strategies. The complexity really shows why it's worth taking time to understand all the factors rather than just going with a gut feeling!

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As a newcomer to this community at age 61, I want to thank everyone for this incredibly comprehensive discussion! I came here with the same basic question about monthly vs yearly increases, and I'm leaving with a complete education on Social Security timing strategy. The confirmation that benefits increase every single month (not just yearly) is exactly what I needed to know - so yes, those extra 4 months the original poster asked about absolutely do count toward higher benefits! What's blown me away is learning about all the additional factors I hadn't even considered: tax implications, spousal coordination strategies, health considerations, survivor benefits, divorced spouse options, the Medicare timing coordination, and even the safety net of being able to withdraw your application within the first year. I had no idea this decision was so multifaceted! The real-world examples have been invaluable - hearing about the $540 monthly increase from delaying 27 months, or the $320 boost from an 18-month delay really puts the impact in perspective much better than just talking about percentages. I'm definitely going to create my SSA online account this week to run those month-by-month projections with my actual earnings history, and it's clear I need to consult with both a financial advisor and tax professional to understand my complete situation. This community is such a fantastic resource for navigating these crucial retirement decisions - thank you all for sharing your knowledge and experiences so generously!

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I'm turning 70 in September and this whole thread has been so reassuring! Like many of you, I was really stressed about getting the timing exactly right, but seeing everyone's consistent advice about the 3-month window being a guideline rather than a hard deadline has really helped calm my nerves. One thing I wanted to share that might help others - I was initially intimidated by the online application, but I discovered that my local senior center actually offers free assistance with government applications. They have volunteers who are familiar with the SSA website and can sit with you while you complete the process. It's a nice middle ground if you want to do it online but prefer having someone there for support. I'm planning to follow everyone's advice and apply in June, and I've already created my Social Security account to review my earnings record. Found a couple of years where the amounts looked lower than I remembered, so I'm glad I checked early! Thanks to everyone for sharing such detailed, real-world experiences. This community support makes such a difference when you're navigating these major life decisions. It's amazing how much less scary the whole process seems when you hear from people who've actually successfully completed it!

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That's a great idea about the senior center assistance! I hadn't thought of that option, but it sounds perfect for people who want the convenience of the online application but prefer having someone nearby for support. I'm also glad you mentioned checking your earnings record early - it's so smart to give yourself time to address any discrepancies before you actually apply. Your June timeline sounds ideal, and it's reassuring to hear from another person who was initially stressed about the timing but feels much better after reading everyone's experiences. This thread really has been like having a group of knowledgeable friends guide us through the process!

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I'm 69 and turning 70 in October, and this discussion has been absolutely incredible! Reading through everyone's real experiences has completely transformed my anxiety about this process into confidence. What really strikes me is how consistently everyone emphasizes that the 3-month timeline is about efficiency, not a strict deadline. I was losing sleep over getting the exact timing perfect, but now I understand it's much more flexible than I thought. I particularly appreciate the practical tips about checking your earnings record first, preparing all documents beforehand, and applying early in the morning for better website performance. The suggestion about creating a my Social Security account well before applying is brilliant - I just did this yesterday and it's so helpful to familiarize yourself with the system without the pressure of actually filing. One thing I'd add from my recent research: if you're concerned about any aspect of your application, don't hesitate to call SSA multiple times if needed. I've found that different representatives sometimes give slightly different advice, so getting a second opinion can be really valuable for complex situations. Planning to apply in July (3 months before my October birthday) and feeling so much more prepared thanks to everyone's generous sharing of their experiences. This community support is truly invaluable!

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As someone who's 67 and approaching this same decision point, this entire discussion has been absolutely enlightening! I've been wrestling with similar questions about timing, and reading through all the real-world experiences and detailed analysis here has given me so much clarity. Connor, your situation really does seem like a textbook case for waiting until 70. Between your good health, family longevity history, current high earnings that could improve your benefit calculation, and the IRMAA implications of claiming while still working at $72k - everything points toward the guaranteed 8% return being your best option. What's been most valuable to me as someone still learning about all these nuances is seeing how many factors beyond the basic break-even math need to be considered. The "longevity insurance" perspective that Tyrone shared, the tax efficiency angles Anastasia raised, and especially the Medicare premium impacts that Giovanni brought up - I had no idea the decision was this multifaceted! I'm definitely planning to use Claimyr when my time comes. The horror stories about SSA wait times are enough to make that service seem worth every penny. Thanks to everyone for sharing such practical, experience-based insights - this is exactly the kind of community discussion that helps people make truly informed decisions rather than just guessing based on generic online advice!

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Welcome to the community, Rudy! As another newcomer who's been following this incredible discussion, I completely agree about how eye-opening it's been to see all the different factors that go into this decision. When I first started thinking about Social Security timing, I thought it was just a simple matter of comparing monthly benefit amounts, but this conversation has shown how complex it really is. The IRMAA implications that Giovanni raised were a complete revelation to me - I had no idea that Medicare premium surcharges could be so substantial for people still working while collecting benefits. That alone seems like it could tip the scales toward waiting for someone in Connor's situation. What really resonates with me is the "guaranteed 8% return" framing that several people mentioned. In today's uncertain investment environment, finding that kind of reliable return anywhere else is virtually impossible. Combined with the longevity insurance aspect and potential benefit increases from continued high earnings, it seems like waiting until 70 is almost a no-brainer for people with Connor's circumstances. I'm also planning to bookmark the Claimyr recommendation - anything that can help navigate the SSA system more efficiently seems invaluable. Thanks for adding your perspective to this discussion!

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As someone who's new to this community and currently 68, I've been reading through this entire discussion with great interest since I'm facing almost the exact same decision! Connor, your situation mirrors mine so closely - I'm also still working full-time (making about $70k), in good health, and really wrestling with whether to claim now or wait until 70. What's been most helpful is seeing how this conversation evolved from a simple timing question into such a comprehensive analysis. The IRMAA implications that Giovanni mentioned were a complete eye-opener - I had no idea that Medicare premium surcharges could eat into the benefits so significantly for people still earning at our income levels. That alone seems to strongly favor waiting. The "guaranteed 8% return" perspective really puts things in context too. As several people noted, finding that kind of reliable return anywhere else in today's market is nearly impossible. Combined with the longevity insurance aspect that Tyrone described, it makes the case for waiting much more compelling than just looking at break-even points. I'm definitely planning to use Claimyr to get my personalized analysis - the horror stories about SSA wait times are enough to make that service seem essential! Thanks to everyone for sharing such detailed, practical insights. This discussion has been invaluable for helping me think through all the factors I hadn't even considered.

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I'm a family law attorney who specializes in blended family situations, and this thread has covered most of the key points beautifully. I wanted to add one additional consideration that families often overlook: the impact on your daughter's sense of identity and belonging. At 10 years old, she's at a crucial developmental stage where understanding her place in the family structure matters enormously. Some families find success in having open, age-appropriate conversations with the child about what different legal arrangements mean - not putting the burden of decision-making on her, but helping her understand that there are ways to honor both her relationship with her deceased father AND welcome her stepfather into a parental role. Consider family counseling specifically focused on blended family dynamics as you work through this decision. A family therapist can help all of you process the emotional aspects while you're working through the legal and financial considerations. Remember that whatever legal arrangement you choose, the most important thing is creating a stable, loving environment where your daughter feels secure about her place in your new family structure while maintaining her connection to her father's memory and legacy.

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I'm a Social Security Administration representative, and I want to clarify some important points for anyone reading this thread. While the advice here is generally accurate, I need to emphasize that every situation is unique and requires individual review. Yes, formal adoption by a stepparent will terminate a child's survivor benefits - this is clearly outlined in our regulations. However, I want to stress that you should always contact SSA directly for your specific situation rather than relying solely on online advice, even from well-meaning community members. When you call, you can ask hypothetical questions about policy without providing personal details that might flag your case. Our representatives are trained to provide accurate information about how different family changes affect benefits. I also want to note that while guardianship arrangements may preserve benefits, SSA evaluates each case individually. The most important thing is that any legal arrangement genuinely serves the child's best interests. For complex situations like this, I always recommend consulting with both family law attorneys and Social Security specialists before making permanent decisions. Remember, our goal is to ensure benefits go to eligible children while preventing misuse of the system.

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Thank you for the official SSA perspective! As someone new to navigating survivor benefits, it's reassuring to hear directly from a representative. I'm definitely planning to call SSA with hypothetical questions as you and others have suggested, and I'll make sure to consult with qualified attorneys before making any permanent decisions. One quick question - when you mention that SSA evaluates guardianship arrangements individually, does that mean there's a formal review process that gets triggered, or is it more that each case gets assessed based on its own merits if questions arise later? I want to understand what to expect if we do pursue guardianship instead of adoption. Also, are there any specific resources or publications from SSA that outline the policies around family structure changes and survivor benefits that I should review beforehand? I want to be as informed as possible when I make that call.

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Thank you for the official clarification from SSA! It's incredibly helpful to have a representative confirm the information that's been shared throughout this thread. I really appreciate you emphasizing that every situation needs individual review - that's exactly why I wanted to gather as much information as possible before making any decisions. Your guidance about asking hypothetical policy questions aligns perfectly with the advice others have given about keeping inquiries general. I'm definitely planning to consult with both family law attorneys and Social Security specialists as you recommend. When you mention that SSA evaluates guardianship cases individually, could you provide a bit more detail about what that process looks like? Is there a specific review that gets triggered when guardianship paperwork is filed, or does SSA typically only investigate if concerns are raised later? I want to make sure we approach this completely transparently and legitimately from the start. Also, are there official SSA publications or resources you'd recommend that outline the policies around family structure changes and survivor benefits? I'd like to be as informed as possible before making that call.

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