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Social Security spousal benefits - do I get 50% of husband's FRA amount or his reduced age 62 benefit?

I'm turning 67 next month (my full retirement age) and trying to decide if I should claim my own Social Security or spousal benefits based on my husband's record. My husband claimed his benefits early at 62 four years ago and is getting about $1,850/month now. His benefit would have been around $2,400 if he had waited until his FRA. My question is: when I claim spousal benefits at my FRA, would I get 50% of what his full retirement age benefit WOULD HAVE BEEN (about $1,200), or just 50% of what he's actually receiving after the early claiming reduction (about $925)? The difference is significant for our retirement planning! I've read conflicting information online and when I called SSA, I was on hold for 2 hours before getting disconnected. Any help understanding this would be so appreciated!

You'll be eligible for 50% of your husband's Primary Insurance Amount (PIA) - which is his benefit amount at his full retirement age - regardless of when he claimed. So you should receive around $1,200 as a spousal benefit, not the reduced $925. The fact that he took benefits early only affects HIS payment, not the baseline calculation for your spousal benefit. The key is that YOU are claiming at your FRA, so you get the full spousal benefit without reduction. If your own benefit is higher than the spousal benefit, you'll receive your own instead, as SSA automatically pays the higher amount.

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Thank you so much for explaining this! That's what I thought but wasn't 100% sure. So just to confirm - even though he's receiving a reduced benefit because he claimed at 62, I would still get the full 50% of his FRA amount because I'm waiting until my own FRA to claim? That's a relief!

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my wife got the reduced amount when she filed for ss based on mine. they said becuz i took early she gets less too. u should double check with ssa direct.

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That's actually incorrect. Your wife's benefit was likely reduced because SHE claimed before her FRA, not because you did. The spousal benefit is reduced if the SPOUSE claims early, but not because the primary worker claimed early. This is a common misunderstanding.

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I was JUST dealing with this exact thing!!!! The SSA people kept giving me different answers every time I called. So frustrating! One rep said I'd get 50% of what my husband WOULD have gotten at FRA, but another said I'd only get based on his actual reduced amount. I spent WEEKS trying to get a straight answer. When I finally got my benefits approved two months ago, it WAS based on his full retirement age amount, NOT his reduced benefit. So yes, you'll get 50% of what would have been his FRA benefit. Make SURE you specify you're filing for spousal benefits at YOUR full retirement age when you apply!!!

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That's exactly what happened to me - different answers from different reps! It's maddening. Thanks for sharing your experience - it helps to hear from someone who just went through this. I'll definitely be clear about filing at my FRA when I apply.

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I've been trying to contact the Social Security office about a similar issue for weeks. Their phone lines are absolutely swamped. One trick that actually worked for me was using Claimyr (claimyr.com). They have a service that basically waits on hold with SSA for you and then calls you when an agent is ready. Saved me literally hours of hold time. They have a video showing how it works here: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU Regarding your specific question, I can confirm what others have said - you'll get 50% of his FRA amount since you're claiming at your own FRA. The reduction only applies if YOU claim early, not if your spouse claimed early.

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Thank you for the suggestion! After my last 2-hour hold that ended in a disconnection, I'm definitely going to check that service out. And thanks for confirming about the spousal benefits calculation!

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A lot of wrong info in this thread! It TOTALLY depends on your earnings record too. If your own benefit is higher than the spousal benefit you won't get spousal at all! SSA just gives you whichever is highest. Did you create an account on ssa.gov to see your own benefit estimate?

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Yes, I've checked my own benefit estimate. It would be about $1,050/month at my FRA, which is why I'm considering the spousal benefit if it would be around $1,200. I understand I'd get whichever is higher, not both. I'm just trying to figure out exactly what the spousal amount would be for proper planning.

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You're absolutely right that SSA pays the higher of the two benefits. Based on the numbers shared, the spousal benefit would likely be more advantageous in this case.

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this whole system is designed to be confusing on purpose lol... my brother claimed on his wife's record and got a completely different amount than they said he would. the ssa reps themselves don't even understand their own rules half the time.

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TRUE!! I swear they make it complicated on purpose. I got different answers from THREE different reps when I was trying to figure this out. The worst part is that if they calculate wrong and overpay you, they'll demand it ALL back years later!

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Social Security specialist here. To clarify the rules definitively: 1. When you claim a spousal benefit at your full retirement age (67 for you), you are entitled to 50% of your husband's Primary Insurance Amount (PIA), which is the benefit amount he would receive at his full retirement age. 2. The fact that your husband claimed early at 62 and receives a reduced benefit does NOT affect your spousal benefit calculation. 3. However, if you were to claim spousal benefits before your own FRA, your spousal benefit would be permanently reduced. 4. Also important: you'll only receive the higher of either your own retirement benefit or the spousal benefit, not both. Based on your numbers (your benefit at FRA = $1,050, potential spousal benefit = $1,200), the spousal benefit would be more advantageous. I recommend claiming in the month you reach your FRA to maximize your benefit.

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Thank you so much for this clear explanation! This matches what I understood from my research, but it's been so hard to get consistent information. I appreciate you breaking it down step by step.

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Has anyone dealt with the extra complications if one spouse worked for state government? My friend's husband never paid into Social Security (teacher in Illinois) and it completely changed how her benefits were calculated because of something called WEP or GPO? Just wondering if that applies here too?

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That's a different situation involving the Government Pension Offset (GPO) and Windfall Elimination Provision (WEP). These rules affect people who receive pensions from jobs not covered by Social Security. Since the original poster didn't mention a government pension, these provisions likely don't apply in her case.

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Just wanted to add my experience as someone who went through this exact situation last year. I was also confused about whether my spousal benefit would be based on my husband's reduced amount (he claimed at 63) or his full retirement age amount. After multiple calls and getting different answers, I finally spoke with a supervisor who explained it clearly: since I was claiming at MY full retirement age, I would get 50% of his PIA (Primary Insurance Amount), which is what he would have received at his FRA - NOT his reduced benefit. The key thing to remember is that YOUR claiming age determines if your spousal benefit gets reduced, not when your spouse claimed. Since you're waiting until your FRA, you'll get the full 50% of his $2,400 FRA benefit, which should be around $1,200. One tip: when you apply, be very specific that you want to file a "restricted application for spousal benefits only" at your FRA. This ensures you get the correct calculation. Good luck!

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This is incredibly helpful! I really appreciate you sharing your actual experience with this exact situation. The part about requesting a "restricted application for spousal benefits only" is something I hadn't heard before - that's exactly the kind of specific detail that makes all the difference when dealing with SSA. It sounds like getting to a supervisor was key to getting the correct information. Thank you for taking the time to explain this so clearly!

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As someone who just navigated this maze myself, I can confirm what the experts here are saying - you'll get 50% of your husband's PIA (what he would have gotten at FRA), not his reduced amount. One thing I learned the hard way: make sure to get everything in writing when you apply! I had a rep tell me one thing over the phone, then when my benefits started they were calculated differently. Turns out the phone rep was wrong, but it took months to straighten out. Also, since you mentioned the SSA phone wait times - try calling first thing in the morning right when they open (8am local time). I had much better luck getting through then versus calling later in the day. The hold times are still brutal, but at least you might actually reach someone! Your situation sounds straightforward - at 67 (your FRA) claiming spousal benefits, you should get that $1,200/month. Just be prepared to be very clear and specific about what you're requesting when you apply.

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Thank you for the tip about calling first thing in the morning! I'll definitely try that. And you're absolutely right about getting everything in writing - I've heard too many stories about phone reps giving incorrect information. I'm planning to follow up any phone conversations with a visit to my local SSA office to make sure everything is documented properly. It's reassuring to hear from someone who just went through this process that the $1,200 calculation should be correct. The consistency in responses here is giving me much more confidence about what to expect!

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I went through this exact same situation about 18 months ago! The confusion is totally understandable because even the SSA reps seem to get mixed up about this rule sometimes. Here's what I learned after way too many phone calls and finally getting it sorted out: You will receive 50% of your husband's Primary Insurance Amount (PIA) - which is the $2,400 he would have gotten at his FRA, NOT the reduced $1,850 he's actually receiving. So yes, you should get around $1,200/month. The key is that YOUR age when you claim determines any reductions to the spousal benefit, not when your husband claimed his benefits. Since you're claiming at your FRA (67), you get the full spousal benefit without any reduction. A couple of practical tips from my experience: - When you apply, be very clear that you want spousal benefits based on your husband's record - Ask them to confirm they're using his PIA (full retirement age amount) for the calculation - If possible, try to get the calculation details in writing or ask for a written estimate before your benefits start The $150+ difference per month between $925 and $1,200 really adds up over time, so it's definitely worth making sure they get this right! Good luck with your application.

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