Can I get spousal benefits top-up if both my husband and I claim Social Security before FRA?
I'm trying to figure out our Social Security claiming strategy and it's confusing me. My husband (63) and I (62) are both planning to start collecting our SS retirement benefits early. I've heard about spousal benefits that can top up my payment if his benefit is a lot higher than mine. My SS statement says I'll get about $1,750/month at 66 and 8 months (my FRA), but only $1,260 if I claim at 62. My husband's FRA amount is around $2,900. Here's what I don't understand - if we BOTH claim before our FRA, do I have to wait until he reaches his full retirement age before I can get the spousal top-up? Or can I get the reduced spousal benefit as soon as we both file? Our financial advisor mentioned something about this but I didn't fully understand. Also, will my spousal benefit be permanently reduced because I'm claiming early? I'm so confused about how this all works! Any help would be appreciated.
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Javier Morales
You don't have to wait until your husband reaches his FRA to receive spousal benefits, but there are several important things to understand: 1. You can receive spousal benefits as soon as both of you have filed for your own benefits. 2. If you claim spousal benefits before your FRA, they will be permanently reduced. At 62, the spousal benefit is reduced to about 32.5% of your husband's PIA (Primary Insurance Amount) instead of the full 50%. 3. The "top-up" is the difference between your own reduced benefit and your reduced spousal benefit. Social Security will pay your own retirement benefit first, then add the spousal top-up if applicable. 4. Since both of you are claiming early, both benefits will be permanently reduced. This means your husband's early filing reduces his benefit, but does NOT reduce your spousal benefit calculation (which is based on his PIA, not his reduced benefit). Given your numbers, you should run the calculations carefully before deciding - early claiming permanently reduces benefits for life.
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Olivia Clark
•Thank you for explaining! So if I understand correctly, I can get the spousal top-up right away when we both file, I don't have to wait until his FRA. But since I'm filing early, my spousal benefit will be permanently reduced from the 50% down to about 32.5% of his PIA. Do you know how I figure out exactly what my combined benefit would be? If my reduced benefit at 62 is $1,260 and his PIA (full retirement amount) is $2,900, how do I calculate what I'll actually receive?
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Natasha Petrov
my sister went thru this last year and she got realy confused too. she had to call ssa like 4 times because she kept getting diffrent answers!! the rules are so complicated and the ppl on the phone sometimes don't explain it right. good luck!!
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Olivia Clark
•That's what I'm worried about! Did your sister eventually get it sorted out? I've tried calling twice already but got disconnected after waiting over an hour each time. So frustrating!
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Connor O'Brien
I went threw this EXACT situation with my husband. What nobody tells you is that they calculate the spousal benefit based on your husbands PRIMARY AMOUNT not his reduced amount!! So even though he's filing early his PIA is what they use to figure your spousal benefit. Then they reduce YOUR spousal benefit based on YOUR age. It's all crazy complicated. But you DONT have to wait till he reaches FRA. As soon as both of you file you can get the spousal benefit. You'll get your own benefit + the extra spousal amount to bring you up to your reduced spousal level.
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Olivia Clark
•Thanks for sharing your experience! That makes me feel better knowing you've been through it. It's good to hear that I don't have to wait until he reaches FRA. Did you find that the spousal top-up was worth claiming early in your situation?
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Amina Diallo
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Olivia Clark
•Thank you for suggesting this! I've been so frustrated with the phone system. I'll check out that service because I really need to speak with someone who can look at our specific numbers and tell me exactly what to expect.
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GamerGirl99
Everybody here is talking about spousal benefits but what about survivor benefits? Aren't those different? My mom gets survivor benefits from my dad.
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Javier Morales
•Yes, survivor benefits and spousal benefits are completely different. Spousal benefits (what the original poster is asking about) are paid while both spouses are living. They allow the lower-earning spouse to receive up to 50% of the higher-earning spouse's benefit. Survivor benefits come into play after one spouse passes away. The surviving spouse can receive up to 100% of the deceased spouse's benefit if claimed at FRA. Both types of benefits can be reduced if claimed early, but they have different rules and reduction rates.
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Hiroshi Nakamura
I've been through this exact process. Here's what happens: 1. When you both file early, you IMMEDIATELY become eligible for any spousal top-up you qualify for. No waiting for FRA. 2. The CALCULATION for your combined benefit would be: - Calculate your own reduced benefit ($1,260) - Calculate your reduced spousal benefit (32.5% of his $2,900 PIA = $942.50) - Compare your own benefit ($1,260) to your total spousal entitlement ($942.50) - Since your own benefit ($1,260) is MORE than the spousal amount ($942.50), you would NOT receive any spousal top-up. Based on the numbers you provided, you would not receive a spousal top-up because your own benefit already exceeds the reduced spousal benefit amount. The spousal benefit only helps when your own benefit is significantly smaller than half of your spouse's.
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Olivia Clark
•Oh! I didn't realize that's how the math works out. I thought I would get my $1,260 PLUS some extra money from the spousal benefit. But you're saying I'd only get the HIGHER of the two amounts, not both combined? So with our current numbers, I'd just get my own $1,260 and no spousal benefit at all? That changes my thinking about our claiming strategy!
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Isabella Costa
DONT DO IT!!!! Filing early is a HUGE mistake for most people!!! You're throwing away THOUSANDS of dollars over your lifetime!!! I filed early at 62 and it's my biggest regret. If you can possibly wait until FRA or even 70, DO IT!!!
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Natasha Petrov
•thats not true for everybody. my cousin needed the money right away for medical bills and some people don't live long enough to make waiting worth it. everyone has different situations
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Hiroshi Nakamura
To clarify a point that might be causing confusion: the spousal benefit calculation is: The higher of: 1. Your own retirement benefit OR 2. Up to 50% of your spouse's PIA (reduced if you claim before FRA) You don't get both. You get the higher amount. And since you're claiming early, that 50% would be reduced to about 32.5% at age 62. Based on your numbers ($1,260 own benefit vs. $942.50 reduced spousal at 62), you would just receive your own $1,260 benefit. No spousal top-up would apply unless your husband's PIA was significantly higher than $2,900.
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Olivia Clark
•Thank you for the clear explanation. I completely misunderstood how the spousal benefit works. I thought it was like an add-on to my own benefit. This really changes our planning. Maybe I should wait longer to file if I'm not getting any spousal benefit by filing early.
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Javier Morales
Looking at your numbers more carefully, there's something important to consider for your long-term planning: If you wait until your FRA (66+8mo), your own benefit would be $1,750. The full 50% spousal benefit based on your husband's $2,900 PIA would be $1,450. Since your own benefit at FRA ($1,750) is greater than the spousal benefit ($1,450), you would not receive a spousal top-up even at FRA. However, your husband's benefit will be significantly reduced by claiming at 63 (about 22.5% reduction). You both might want to reconsider your filing strategy if your financial situation allows waiting longer.
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Olivia Clark
•This is eye-opening. I didn't realize my own benefit at FRA would actually be higher than the spousal benefit even at full value. So I really wouldn't get a spousal benefit at all, regardless of when I file? Maybe we need to completely rethink our approach. Thank you all for helping me understand this!
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