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Confused about spousal SS benefit calculation at FRA when husband delays until 70

I'm turning 67 soon and trying to figure out my spousal benefit situation. My husband is 70 and just started collecting his delayed retirement benefits. We've been getting conflicting information from SSA representatives and I'm completely lost. Here's our situation: My husband's FRA benefit (at 67) was $4,540, but he delayed until 70 so now gets about $5,625. My own benefit at FRA would have been $975, but I started claiming early at 62, so I'm only getting $687 monthly now. I thought that when I reached my FRA of 67, I could switch to a spousal benefit that would be 50% of my husband's FRA amount ($2,270), but reduced because I claimed my own benefits early. But when I called SSA, one rep said my spousal benefit won't be reduced at all and would be half of what my husband gets at 70 (which I'm pretty sure is incorrect). Another rep refused to give me any numbers and said I'd have to apply first. Can anyone help me understand what my spousal benefit will actually be when I turn 67? And is there a way to get a definitive answer from SSA before I apply? This whole process is so frustrating!

You're right to be skeptical about what that representative told you. Your spousal benefit will definitely NOT be based on your husband's age-70 amount. The maximum spousal benefit is always 50% of the higher earner's Primary Insurance Amount (PIA), which is their benefit amount at their full retirement age. Since you took your own benefits early at 62, your spousal benefit will indeed be reduced. The formula gets complicated, but essentially when you reach your FRA, you'll receive your own reduced benefit plus a supplement that brings the total to somewhat less than 50% of your husband's PIA. In your case, you'd get approximately your current $687 plus a supplement that would bring your total to around $2,057 (slightly less than the full 50% of his FRA amount due to the early claiming reduction).

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Anna Xian

Thank you so much for clarifying! That makes sense and sounds closer to what I expected. So even though I'm waiting until my own FRA to claim the spousal benefit, I'm still penalized because I took my retirement benefit early? That's frustrating but at least now I understand.

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Omg I'm going through something similar and the SSA people keep telling me different things every time I call!!! One person said my spousal would be 50% of whatever my husband gets when he applies (he hasn't applied yet) and another said it would be based on his FRA amount not his delayed amount. I don't even know WHO to believe anymore!!!

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The second representative was correct. Spousal benefits are always based on the worker's FRA amount (PIA), not their delayed retirement amount. This is a common misunderstanding, even among some SSA representatives unfortunately.

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Social Security rules are so confusing. I think your benefit would be half your husband's FRA amount minus your FRA amount. So $4540 ÷ 2 = $2270, then minus $975 = $1295 supplemental amount. But then you have to add your current reduced benefit of $687. So maybe about $1982 total? I'm not an expert though.

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That's not quite how it works. When someone takes their own retirement benefit early and later qualifies for spousal benefits, SSA doesn't simply subtract the full FRA amount from the spousal amount. Instead, they apply a reduction factor to the spousal benefit based on how early the person took their retirement benefit. The calculation gets pretty complex and involves primary insurance amounts, reduction factors, and the difference between benefits.

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Ev Luca

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Anna Xian

Thank you for sharing this! I've been on hold with the SSA for what feels like forever every time I call. I'll check this out because I'm desperate to get a straight answer from someone who can actually look at my specific situation.

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my wife went thru this last yr. she got her own benefit at 62 (way lower than yours btw) and when i hit 70 and started collecing she got the spousal bump but it was WAY lower than we thought it would be. the SSA didnt even notify her it just showed up one month. check ur myssa acct online every month after ur husband files.

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Anna Xian

That's good to know - I'll definitely keep a close eye on my account. Did your wife ever find out exactly how they calculated her benefit? I'm worried they'll just apply some formula and I'll have no way to verify if it's correct.

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no we never did get a clear answer. she just took what they gave her bc fighting with them seemed pointless. theyve got all the power ya know?

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Here's the exact breakdown of your situation: 1. Your husband's PIA (benefit at FRA) is $4,540 2. Your maximum spousal benefit would be 50% of that: $2,270 3. Because you took your retirement at 62, your spousal benefit will be reduced 4. The formula is complicated, but the reduction is based on the number of months before FRA you claimed (60 months) 5. Your spousal benefit will be approximately your current $687 plus a supplement of about $1,370, totaling around $2,057 To get an exact calculation, you need to speak with an SSA representative who knows how to properly calculate it using your actual Primary Insurance Amount (PIA) values and exact claiming dates. Request to speak with a Technical Expert or Claims Specialist who can do this calculation properly.

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Anna Xian

Thank you for this detailed breakdown! That's really helpful. I'll specifically ask for a Technical Expert when I call again. The regular representatives seem to be giving me inconsistent information.

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UR OVERTHINKING THIS!! Just apply for the spousal when u hit 67 and they'll give u whatever ur entitled to. All this calculating is just making u crazy. SSA will figure it out - thats what they do!

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While it's true that SSA will calculate the benefit when the application is processed, many people find it helpful to understand what to expect in advance for financial planning purposes. Also, SSA can make mistakes, so understanding the calculation allows beneficiaries to verify they're receiving the correct amount.

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WAIT! I just realized something important... if your husband is just now 70, has he already filed for his benefits? Because you can't get a spousal benefit until he files for his retirement benefit! Even if you're at your FRA, if he hasn't filed yet, you can't get anything based on his record.

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Anna Xian

Yes, he just filed and started receiving his benefits last month. Sorry if that wasn't clear in my original post! So I should be eligible for the spousal benefit when I turn 67 next month.

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One suggestion I want to make: request an appointment with a Claims Specialist at your local office rather than trying to resolve this by phone. Bring your husband with you if possible, as they may need information from both records. In-person appointments often result in more thorough explanations and accurate calculations since they can show you the numbers directly on their system. And make sure to ask them to provide you with a breakdown of the calculation in writing. This will be valuable for your records and for verifying that everything was done correctly.

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Anna Xian

That's an excellent suggestion. I'll try to schedule an in-person appointment. Having the calculation in writing would give me so much peace of mind. Thank you!

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