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Tyler Murphy

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My wife had same experience after I... wait sorry, I meant my friend's wife had this same issue after he passed. She was 63 making about $90k and couldn't get any of his benefits until she retired. She was pretty upset about it too. When she finally retired at 66 (her FRA), she started getting the widow benefit which was higher than her own retirement would have been. The SSA actually did explain it well to her but she had to visit the office in person to get all the details.

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Romeo Barrett

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so is it always better to take the widows benefit than your own?? im turning 62 next month and still don't know what to do!!

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It's not always better to take widow's benefits over your own. It depends on your earnings history compared to your deceased spouse's. If your own benefit at full retirement age would be higher than your widow benefit, it might make sense to take the widow benefit early and switch to your own at 70 when it's maximized. Or vice versa if your widow benefit would be higher. This is why it's so important to get accurate calculations from SSA for your specific situation.

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Serene Snow

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Thanks everyone for all the helpful responses. I'll definitely try to get a more detailed calculation from SSA about my specific case. From what I'm understanding, I probably won't be eligible for any widow's benefits until I reach my FRA due to my current earnings, but I need to confirm the exact numbers. I'll look into getting an appointment with my local office or using that Claimyr service to avoid the endless phone waits. I'll update here if I find out anything useful that might help others in the same situation!

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Justin Trejo

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Good plan! One more thing to consider - you might want to ask about survivor benefits vs. widow benefits specifically. Sometimes the terminology can be confusing but they might have slightly different rules that could affect your situation. Best of luck!

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Eli Butler

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One small but important correction to what's been shared: while the inheritance itself won't affect your regular Social Security retirement benefits, if any of the inherited assets are from a retirement account (like an IRA or 401k), you may be required to take Required Minimum Distributions, which would count as income. This income could potentially make more of your Social Security benefits taxable. Additionally, if you're inheriting investments that pay dividends or interest, that income could also impact the taxation of your benefits. But to be crystal clear: the actual Social Security benefit amount will not change based on inheritance. Only the potential taxation of those benefits might be affected.

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Lara Woods

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Thank you for the detailed explanation! I just found out some of the investments include an IRA worth about $42,000. I'll need to look into those Required Minimum Distributions. Do you know if I should bring documentation about the inheritance to my SSA appointment?

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Lara Woods

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Thank you all so much for the helpful responses! I'm feeling much more confident about my upcoming appointment now. I've made notes about: - Regular SS retirement benefits won't be reduced by inheritance - Potential tax implications from investment income - Checking on the Required Minimum Distributions from the inherited IRA - Considering long-term Medicaid planning I really appreciate everyone taking time to help explain this!

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glad u got the answers u needed! good luck with everything

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Social Security earnings limit confusion - monthly vs. yearly limits for survivor benefits

I started receiving survivor benefits in July 2024 after my husband passed last year. When I applied, I told SSA I would be working part-time at my sister's flower shop. I clearly remember telling them my expected yearly income would be around $28,000. They withheld my first 4 months of payments based on this info. Fast forward to November - I just got this form asking for updated income estimates and wanting to know which specific months I earned over $2,270! This caught me completely off guard because nobody ever mentioned a MONTHLY earnings limit during my application. The rep only discussed a YEARLY limit of around $23,040. I visited my local office yesterday hoping to sort this out since I'm actually earning less than expected (around $24,500) and plan to fully retire next year. The rep told me I'm going to owe money back for any month I earned above the monthly limit, regardless of my total yearly earnings being lower than expected. He called these "overpayments." I'm totally confused and worried now. 1. Do I really have to repay benefits for months where I exceeded the monthly limit, even though my yearly total will be under what I originally estimated? 2. Will the 4 months of benefits they initially withheld offset any of this supposed overpayment? 3. What's my best approach moving forward? Should I just complete that form and prepare to pay back some benefits? Any advice would be greatly appreciated - I feel like this monthly limit thing was sprung on me out of nowhere!

Anna Kerber

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The monthly earnings test is so frustrating! My mom went through this exact situation last year with her survivor benefits. One thing no one has mentioned yet - if you're close to your Full Retirement Age, the earnings limits are different. If you'll reach FRA in 2025, the monthly limit is much higher (around $6,000/month for 2024). Also, be aware that they sometimes apply different rules depending on whether you're self-employed or a regular employee. Are you a W-2 employee at your sister's shop or considered self-employed? This can affect how they count your earnings. As others mentioned, definitely request that those 4 withheld months be applied to any overpayment. This is your right but sometimes gets overlooked unless you specifically ask for it.

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Arnav Bengali

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I'm a W-2 employee at my sister's shop, not self-employed. And unfortunately I'm only 58, so I'm not close to my FRA yet. I'll definitely make sure to specifically request that those withheld months be applied to any overpayment. Thank you!

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Rachel Tao

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I want to add one more important point that hasn't been mentioned yet: Since you're planning to fully retire in 2025, you should submit a new estimate of zero earnings for 2025 as soon as possible. This will prevent SSA from withholding any benefits next year. Also, make sure you understand the difference between the Annual Earnings Test and the Monthly Earnings Test: - Monthly Test: Only applies in your first year receiving benefits. Any month you earn over the limit ($2,270 for 2024), you don't receive benefits for that month. - Annual Test: Applies every year until you reach Full Retirement Age. For every $2 you earn above the annual limit ($23,040 for 2024), SSA withholds $1 in benefits. The good news is that these withheld benefits aren't lost forever. Once you reach FRA, SSA recalculates your benefit amount to give credit for months benefits were withheld.

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Arnav Bengali

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Thank you for explaining the difference between the monthly and annual tests so clearly. I'll definitely submit that updated estimate of zero earnings for 2025 right away. It's a relief to know that even if some benefits are withheld now, they'll be factored back in once I reach FRA.

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Mia Green

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Is anyone else dealing with MS and working? I'm trying to decide if I should keep pushing through or apply for SSDI too. My symptoms are getting worse but I'm scared to leave my job...

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That's a very personal decision. Remember you can work up to SGA level ($1,470/month in 2025) while your SSDI application is pending. Some people apply when they first notice significant decline, knowing the process can take time. You might also consider FMLA or reduced hours before fully stopping work. Just document everything if you do decide to apply.

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Update: I'm halfway through filling out these forms and they're so detailed! The migraine questionnaire asks about aura symptoms, frequency, duration, and triggers. I'm being super detailed as everyone suggested. One thing I'm confused about - on the Adult Function Report, do I describe what I CAN do or what I CANNOT do? Some days I can do basic chores but other days I can barely get out of bed.

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James Johnson

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For the Adult Function Report, you should describe both what you can and cannot do, but always mention the limitations and variability. For example: "I can prepare simple meals 3-4 days per week when symptoms are manageable, but require assistance on other days due to fatigue and hand tremors. I cannot stand for more than 15 minutes at a time without needing to rest." With MS specifically, make sure to emphasize the unpredictable nature of your good and bad days. Social Security needs to understand that having some good days doesn't mean you can reliably work. Mention approximately how many days per month you would be unable to function in a work environment.

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Hi I had something similar happen to me! I got disabled in 2018 but didn't apply til 2021 because I was trying to keep working part time and didn't know I could get SSDI while doing that under SGA limits. When I finally did apply they would only backpay me for 12 months before my application date even though I had medical proof going back 3 years. It's really frustrating but that seems to be how it works for everyone.

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LongPeri

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That's exactly my situation! Did you at least get approved eventually? Was the process difficult?

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Yes I did get approved but it took about 8 months and I had to appeal once. Make sure you get ALL your medical records from the past 5 years if you apply. The more documentation the better!!

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Just to add one more important point: If you're currently disabled but your insured status has expired (meaning you no longer have enough recent work credits for SSDI), you might still qualify for SSI (Supplemental Security Income) if your income and resources are below the threshold. SSI is need-based rather than work-credit based. However, SSI has no retroactive payments before the application date at all. And the resource limits are quite strict - generally $2,000 for individuals ($3,000 for couples) in countable resources. If you decide to apply for either program, be prepared with: 1. Detailed medical records from 5 years ago to establish your onset date 2. A list of all doctors, hospitals, and treatments 3. Information about any work attempts since your condition began 4. How your condition limits your ability to work Good luck with your situation!

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LongPeri

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Thank you so much for this additional information! I'm going to try calling SSA tomorrow and gather all my medical records from the past 5 years. I really appreciate everyone's help understanding this complicated system.

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One thing nobody's mentioned - the form W-4V for withholding is super simple. Just one page, check a box for the percentage you want withheld, sign it and send it in. You can even download it from ssa.gov and mail it to your local office. I was overthinking it before I actually saw the form.

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Amy Fleming

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Thank you all for the helpful explanations! I think I understand now - I need to file Form W-4V if I want any taxes withheld, and the withholding would be calculated on my full benefit amount. The standard deduction just affects how much I'll actually owe when I file my taxes. I'll probably go with 10% withholding to start and adjust later if needed. This forum has been so much more helpful than my advisor who left me confused!

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That sounds like a good approach. You can always change your withholding percentage later by submitting a new W-4V if you find 10% is too much or too little. Just remember, even with withholding, you should still review your overall tax situation, especially if you have other income sources beyond Social Security and your pension.

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Luca Conti

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I just remmbered you might still want to check if either of you qualifies for spousal benefits if one of you had much higher earnings. Sometimes its better to take 50% of your spouses benefit than your own. But you cant get both your own and spousal - they give you whichever is higher.

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Sean O'Connor

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That's correct, but with both having long work histories (since age 16), it's unlikely that the spousal benefit (max 50% of the higher earner's PIA) would exceed either person's own benefit. Still, it's always worth checking the numbers with SSA before making any filing decisions.

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Thank you everyone for all the helpful information! Just to summarize what I've learned: 1) We will each get our full benefits based on our own work records, 2) There's no family maximum that applies to our situation, 3) We might want to consider staggered filing with my husband claiming now and me waiting, 4) We should double-check our benefit estimates with SSA directly. This has been incredibly helpful as we plan for retirement!

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The SSA can be TERRIBLE about this stuff! My mom has dementia but not "bad enough" according to them initially. We had to get multiple doctor letters and it took MONTHS before they approved a payee. Meanwhile she lost almost $5000 to scammers!! Ask for a supervisor if they give you any runaround.

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Reina Salazar

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This is unfortunately common. Make sure the doctor's letter specifically addresses her ability to manage finances (not just general cognitive status). Use phrases like "unable to understand the consequences of financial decisions" or "cannot manage benefit payments due to cognitive impairment." This specific language helps expedite the process.

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Thank you everyone for all this helpful information! I've made notes on everything and will be contacting her doctor tomorrow for that documentation. I'll try to schedule an appointment with SSA using the Claimyr service since it sounds like getting through is the first big hurdle. I'm relieved to hear this is possible without full guardianship. I think my aunt will agree once I explain everything carefully - she was actually in tears last week after realizing she'd been scammed, so I think she knows she needs help even if it's hard to admit. I'll update once we get through the process in case it helps others in the same situation.

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Jake Sinclair

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Good plan! One more thing - when you meet with SSA, bring recent examples of financial issues (bank statements showing overdrafts, bills that went unpaid, receipts from scams if you have them). This concrete evidence of financial mismanagement can be very persuasive in borderline cases. Wishing you and your aunt all the best.

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The key factor in your situation is whether your Nebraska teaching position was covered by Social Security. Based on my understanding, Nebraska school employees ARE covered by Social Security (unlike some states like Texas or California). This means: 1. You won't face GPO for your RRB spousal benefits, but there may still be a separate offset under RRB rules 2. Your own Social Security may be reduced by WEP, but possibly not as severely as in non-covered states 3. You can receive all three benefits, but with potential reductions I recommend: - Contact your Nebraska NPERS office first for clarification on your specific coverage - Then request a benefit estimate from RRB for your spousal benefit - Finally, contact SSA for a WEP-adjusted estimate of your own benefits Timing of when you claim each benefit matters significantly in maximizing your total retirement income. Consider having a financial advisor familiar with government pensions review your options once you have all the estimates.

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NebulaNomad

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This is incredibly helpful! I didn't realize Nebraska teachers were different from some other states regarding Social Security coverage. I'll contact NPERS first thing tomorrow, then follow up with RRB and SSA. Thank you for laying out such a clear plan of action!

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Chloe Martin

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dont forget about the earnings test too if u work after claiming any benefits before ur full retirement age!!

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Aisha Khan

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One strategy to consider: If your financial situation allows, you could file at 62 but then suspend your benefits when you reach your Full Retirement Age. This would allow your benefit amount to grow through delayed retirement credits until age 70. Meanwhile, during the suspension period, your wife couldn't receive spousal benefits, but this approach could maximize her survivor benefits if you pass away first (which statistically is more likely). The math can get complicated, but generally speaking, if you have reason to believe one of you will live well into your 80s or beyond, maximizing the higher earner's benefit often makes financial sense for the couple's total lifetime benefits.

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CosmicCruiser

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Wait you can FILE and then SUSPEND?? I thought they got rid of that option years ago??? I'm so confused with all these rules changing!!

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To clarify about file and suspend: The "file and suspend" strategy that allowed spouses to claim on a suspended record was eliminated in 2016. However, you can still file for benefits and then later request to suspend them to earn delayed retirement credits. The difference is that NO ONE can receive benefits on your record while your benefits are suspended. Regarding the original question - one more consideration is that if your wife works until her own Full Retirement Age, she can choose to take either her own retirement benefit or the spousal benefit, whichever is higher. If she files before her FRA, she doesn't get this choice - she's deemed to have filed for both and gets essentially the higher amount.

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Nia Jackson

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Thanks for clarifying. This is all so complicated! I never realized how many different factors go into this decision. Sounds like I really need to talk with someone at SSA to run the numbers for our specific situation before making any decisions.

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