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Thanks everyone for the detailed responses! This is super helpful. I'm feeling much more confident about handling this now. One quick follow-up question - since I only started with Amazon Vine in September last year, would it make sense to start making quarterly estimated payments now for this year's taxes, or should I wait until I have a better sense of how much I'll receive in products this year? Also, for those who mentioned deducting business expenses - I assume I need to keep receipts for everything, right? Like if I buy a new camera specifically for taking better product photos for my reviews, that would be deductible?
Great questions! For estimated payments, I'd suggest starting them now even with limited data. You can always adjust the amounts as you get a better sense of your Vine income throughout the year. It's better to pay a little extra and get a refund than to get hit with underpayment penalties later. And yes, absolutely keep receipts for everything business-related! A camera purchased specifically for product photography would definitely be deductible. I'd recommend setting up a simple system now - maybe a dedicated folder or envelope for business receipts, or even just taking photos of receipts with your phone and storing them in a "Vine Business" folder. The IRS loves documentation, so the more organized you are, the better off you'll be if they ever have questions. Also consider tracking your time spent on reviews - while you can't deduct your time, it helps establish that this is a legitimate business activity rather than just a hobby.
Just wanted to add another perspective on this - I've been dealing with Amazon Vine taxes for three years now and one thing that really helped me was creating a simple spreadsheet to track everything throughout the year. I log each product I receive with its fair market value (from the email Amazon sends), the date received, and what category it falls into. This makes tax time SO much easier because you're not scrambling to figure out what that $3,200 on your 1099-NEC actually represents. Plus, it helps you estimate your quarterly payments more accurately as the year goes on. One tip that saved me money: if you return any Vine products to Amazon (which you're allowed to do), make sure to track those too. The returned items shouldn't be included in your taxable income, but Amazon sometimes includes them in your 1099-NEC anyway. Having documentation of returns can help you adjust your reported income correctly. Also, don't forget that if you donate any Vine products to charity, you can potentially deduct their fair market value as a charitable contribution (separate from your business deductions). Just make sure to get proper documentation from the charity!
This spreadsheet idea is brilliant! I wish I had started tracking everything from day one instead of trying to piece together my records at tax time. Quick question about the returns - do you just subtract the value of returned items from your total 1099-NEC amount when filing, or is there a specific way to report the adjustment? I returned a couple of items last year but honestly forgot all about the tax implications until reading your comment.
Something important to add here - make sure the work is AGE APPROPRIATE!!! I got audited because I claimed my 12yo was doing "consulting" for my business. The IRS agent basically laughed at the idea a 12yo could provide consulting services. Stick to tasks that make sense for their age like filing, cleaning, simple computer work, etc.
Would helping with social media count as age appropriate for a 15 year old? My daughter is WAY better at TikTok and Instagram than I am and could actually help my business a lot with that stuff.
Social media assistance would absolutely be considered age-appropriate for a 15-year-old in most cases. Teenagers are often very skilled with social platforms, and many businesses legitimately hire teens for this exact purpose. Just make sure you're keeping good records of the work she's doing - screenshots of posts she creates, a log of hours worked, and documentation of how her work helps your business. Pay her a reasonable rate comparable to what you'd pay someone else for the same work. The key is making sure it's a legitimate working arrangement and not just shuffling money around.
Quick tip from someone who's been doing this for years: open a Roth IRA for your kids with their earned income! Since they likely won't owe taxes on the income (if under the standard deduction), they're essentially getting tax-free money going in AND tax-free growth and withdrawal later. It's one of the best financial head starts you can give them.
Can you really open a Roth IRA for a minor? Don't they have to be 18 to have investment accounts?
I'm dealing with a similar situation right now and wanted to share what I learned from my tax preparer. One thing that hasn't been mentioned yet - if your LLC has been operating as a partnership but you've been filing as a sole proprietorship (Schedule C), the IRS might also flag this as an entity classification issue. Make sure when you file your 1065, you're consistent about your entity election. If you never filed Form 8832 (Entity Classification Election), the IRS defaults multi-member LLCs to partnership status, which is why you need the 1065. Also, don't forget about your state requirements! Most states require separate partnership returns too, and those penalties can add up. Some states are more forgiving than others with penalty abatement, but you'll want to check your specific state's requirements. One more thing - if you have any business bank accounts, make sure the income/expenses on your 1065 match your bank records. The IRS can cross-reference this, and inconsistencies might trigger additional scrutiny. Good luck getting this sorted out!
This is such a great point about state requirements - I completely forgot about those! Quick question though - if I'm filing late for federal, should I wait to file the state partnership return until after I submit the 1065, or can I do both at the same time? I'm in California and I know they can be pretty strict about penalties. Also, you mentioned Form 8832 - since I never filed one and the IRS defaults to partnership status anyway, do I need to worry about filing that now or can I just proceed with the 1065? I don't want to create more complications than I already have!
You can file both federal and state at the same time - no need to wait! In fact, it's better to get both done ASAP since California's penalties are steep ($18 per partner per month for late filing). California Form 565 is their partnership return. Regarding Form 8832, you don't need to file it now since you're already defaulting to partnership status. Filing it at this point would just create unnecessary paperwork. The IRS automatically treats multi-member LLCs as partnerships for tax purposes unless you elect otherwise, so you're good to proceed directly with the 1065. One California-specific tip: they have their own reasonable cause criteria that's sometimes more restrictive than federal. When you file your late CA return, mention that you're a first-time business filer AND that you're correcting the issue at the same time as your federal filing. California tends to be more forgiving when they see you're addressing both simultaneously rather than just fixing one. Also, make sure your California return matches your federal 1065 exactly - any discrepancies will likely trigger correspondence from the Franchise Tax Board asking for explanations.
Don't stress too much - this is actually a pretty common mistake for new LLC owners! The good news is that the IRS has specific provisions for situations exactly like yours. Here's what you need to know about penalty relief: **First-Time Penalty Abatement (FTA)** is your best friend here. Since you filed your personal taxes on time and this appears to be your first business filing penalty, you have a strong case for getting the penalties completely waived. The key is being proactive - file your 1065 immediately and include a penalty abatement request with your submission. **Quick reality check on penalties:** Yes, it's $210 per partner per month, but don't let that number paralyze you. Many first-time business owners successfully get these penalties reduced or eliminated entirely through FTA. **Your reasonable cause statement should include:** - This was your first year operating as a partnership - You demonstrated good faith by filing your personal return on time - You're taking immediate corrective action upon discovering the requirement - You had no prior knowledge of the 1065 filing requirement The fact that you already filed your personal taxes actually works in your favor - it shows you're not someone who ignores tax obligations, you just genuinely didn't know about this specific requirement. File that 1065 this week and you'll likely be fine!
This is really reassuring, thank you! I was definitely spiraling about the penalty amounts. One quick question about the reasonable cause statement - should I write this as a separate letter that I include with my 1065 filing, or is there a specific form I need to use? Also, when you mention being "proactive" with the penalty abatement request, do you mean I should submit it at the same time as the 1065, or should I wait to see if the IRS actually assesses penalties first? I've seen conflicting advice on this and want to make sure I handle it the right way from the start. Really appreciate everyone's help in this thread - as a first-time business owner, this community has been a lifesaver!
FYI the financial institution already reported this to the IRS. The computer systems will automatically flag your return if the numbers don't match. Don't risk an audit over $187!
What happens if you do get flagged? Does the IRS come after you with the full force of the law for a tiny amount like this?
Usually for small amounts like this, they'll just send you a letter (called a CP2000) asking you to explain the discrepancy. It's not like they're sending agents to your door, but you'll need to respond and likely pay the tax owed plus some interest and possibly a small penalty. The hassle and stress of dealing with that correspondence is way worse than just reporting the $187 in the first place. The automated matching system catches these things eventually, so it's really not worth the risk.
I went through this exact same situation last year with a small 1099-INT for about $150. I was tempted to skip it too, but I'm glad I didn't. The consensus here is absolutely correct - you MUST report all interest income regardless of the amount. There's no minimum threshold for reporting interest income on your tax return. What really convinced me was realizing that the IRS already has a copy of your 1099-INT form. The financial institution is required to send them a copy of everything they send to you. Their computer systems automatically cross-reference what you report against what they have on file. If there's a mismatch, you'll likely get a notice asking about the discrepancy. For $187, you're probably looking at owing maybe $30-50 in additional tax depending on your bracket, but the penalties and interest for not reporting it initially could add up to more than that. Plus, having to deal with IRS correspondence is just not worth the headache. Just report it and move on - it really is straightforward once you know where it goes on your return.
Justin Trejo
Eva, I completely sympathize with your situation - the treaty termination definitely adds complexity, but you're not doomed to face full double taxation on everything. A few practical points that might help your decision-making: **Hungary-specific considerations:** - Hungary's 15% flat tax rate is actually quite competitive compared to US marginal rates, especially for higher earners - As a Hungarian tax resident, you'll pay tax on worldwide income, but Hungary provides credits for foreign taxes paid (similar to how the US FTC works) - Hungary has been developing more expat-friendly policies lately, including some digital nomad provisions **Timing strategy:** If you do decide to move, consider starting your Hungarian residency at the beginning of a calendar year. This avoids the complexity of being a part-year resident in both countries during your transition year. **Beyond the basics:** While everyone's covered FEIE and FTC well, don't overlook the foreign housing exclusion - this can add another $40k+ in exclusions if you qualify. Also, if you're self-employed or have business income, there may be additional opportunities to optimize through Hungarian business structures. **Reality check:** Yes, filing will be more complex without the treaty, but thousands of Americans live successfully in non-treaty countries. The key is good planning and documentation from day one. Have you considered doing a "trial run" - perhaps spending a few months in Hungary first to get a feel for the tax and banking systems before committing to full residency?
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Melina Haruko
ā¢@Justin Trejo The trial run idea is brilliant! I wish I had thought of that before my own international move. A few months would give you real insight into how Hungarian banking, tax registration, and daily financial life actually works without fully committing to tax residency. One thing to add about the foreign housing exclusion - it can be substantial but has specific requirements about what qualifies as housing expenses. Make sure to track rent, utilities, and other qualifying costs from day one if you do make the move. I m'curious about your mention of Hungarian business structures for optimization. Are you referring to their KATA system or something else? I ve'heard mixed things about whether that s'still viable for expats after the recent changes they made to the program. Also, for anyone considering this path - don t'underestimate the importance of having a Hungarian address and phone number established quickly. It affects everything from banking to tax registration, and some processes can take weeks to complete.
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Diez Ellis
Eva, as someone who's navigated similar international tax waters, I wanted to add a perspective that might help ease some of your concerns. The treaty termination is definitely inconvenient, but it's worth remembering that the vast majority of US expats worldwide live in countries without tax treaties - and they manage just fine! Countries like Thailand, Singapore, and many others have thriving American expat communities despite no treaties. **One often-overlooked strategy:** Consider the timing of your income recognition if you have flexibility as a freelancer/contractor. You might be able to shift some income timing to optimize your first year of Hungarian residency, especially if you can qualify for the bona fide residence test early on. **Hungarian advantages to consider:** - Much lower cost of living means your excluded $126k goes much further - Hungary's healthcare system and social benefits - EU residency opens doors to the entire European market for your business - Strong digital infrastructure for remote work **Practical tip:** Before making any final decisions, try reaching out to American expat groups in Budapest on Facebook or other platforms. They often have real-world insights about navigating the Hungarian tax system and can recommend local professionals who understand US tax obligations. The bottom line: while the treaty termination adds paperwork complexity, it shouldn't be a deal-breaker if Hungary otherwise makes sense for your lifestyle and business goals. The tax optimization tools (FEIE, FTC, housing exclusion) are still powerful enough to make it work financially. Don't let tax tail wag the life decision dog - but definitely get professional advice to optimize your approach!
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StellarSurfer
ā¢@Diez Ellis This is such valuable perspective! You re'absolutely right that most US expats live in non-treaty countries successfully. I think the fear factor around losing treaty benefits often overshadows the practical reality. Your point about income timing flexibility is really smart - especially for freelancers and contractors who might have some control over when they invoice clients or recognize certain types of income. That could make a significant difference in that first year of establishing Hungarian residency. I m'particularly interested in your mention of American expat groups in Budapest. As someone new to thinking about international moves, are there specific Facebook groups or online communities you d'recommend for getting real-world insights? It would be great to hear from people who ve'actually navigated the Hungarian tax system rather than just theoretical advice. Also, the cost of living point is huge - even if you end up paying some additional tax due to the treaty loss, if your overall expenses are 40-50% lower than the US, you could still come out ahead financially while gaining access to EU benefits and lifestyle improvements. Thanks for the encouraging perspective - sometimes it s'easy to get lost in the tax complexity and forget about the bigger picture of why someone would want to make an international move in the first place!
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