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Title: Filed Form 8843 late as international student - penalties? 1 I'm an exchange student from Thailand who started my sophomore year last fall. I had absolutely zero income for 2024, so I assumed I didn't need to bother with any tax paperwork. Big mistake! Just found out I was supposed to submit Form 8843 even though I don't have any taxable income. The deadline was apparently June 15th, and it's already July! I'm filling it out tonight, but I'm really freaking out about possible penalties or issues. Will the IRS come after me for this late filing? Could this somehow mess up my visa status or create problems when I apply for OPT next year? Has anyone dealt with late 8843 filings before?
So I submitted my tax return on Valentine's Day (Feb 14) and it got accepted right away. I've been checking my transcript online and noticed something weird - the "As Of Date" keeps changing! Right now it shows March 24, 2025. But last week it said something else, and it keeps shifting around. My transcript shows this at the top: ANY MINUS SIGN SHOWN BELOW SIGNIFIES A CREDIT AMOUNT --- ACCOUNT BALANCE: -$5,849.00 ACCRUED INTEREST: 0.00 AS OF: Mar. 24, 2025 ACCRUED PENALTY: 0.00 AS OF: Mar. 24, 2025 ACCOUNT BALANCE PLUS ACCRUALS (this is not a payoff amount): -$5,849.00 Does this negative balance mean I'm getting a refund? Or do I somehow owe money? I'm confused about what the minus sign means here. The transcript also shows all this information: ** INFORMATION FROM THE RETURN OR AS ADJUSTED ** EXEMPTIONS: 02 FILING STATUS: Head of Household ADJUSTED GROSS INCOME: 0 TAXABLE INCOME: $2,201.00 TAX PER RETURN: 0.00 SE TAXABLE INCOME TAXPAYER: 0.00 SE TAXABLE INCOME SPOUSE: 0.00 TOTAL SELF EMPLOYMENT TAX: 0.00 RETURN DUE DATE OR RETURN RECEIVED DATE (WHICHEVER IS LATER): Apr. 15, 2025 PROCESSING DATE: Feb. 24, 2025 And then there's all these transaction codes: TRANSACTIONS CODE EXPLANATION OF TRANSACTION | CYCLE | DATE | AMOUNT 150 Tax return filed | 20250605 | 02-24-2025 | $0.00 30211-428-22712-5 806 W-2 or 1099 withholding | | 04-15-2025 | $161.00 766 Credit to your account | | 04-15-2025 | -$1,700.00 768 Earned income credit | | 04-15-2025 | -$3,988.00 I filed as Head of Household with 2 dependents. My return isn't complicated at all, so I don't understand why the "As Of Date" keeps changing and what exactly this negative balance means. The transcript says "ANY MINUS SIGN SHOWN BELOW SIGNIFIES A CREDIT AMOUNT" but I'm still confused. Does that mean I'm getting $5,849.00 back? And why do some of the transactions show dates in April when it's still only February? Anyone know what's going on with all this?
I just wanna know why the IRS purposefully makes everything so confusing... like why can't they just say "Your refund is $7,018.80 and will be deposited on XX date" instead of all these cryptic codes and weird dates that keep changing? It's like they WANT us to be confused ๐
The negative balance is definitely your refund amount - that's great news! The IRS uses minus signs to show credits (money they owe you), so -$5,849 means you're getting $5,849 back, not that you owe anything. The changing "As Of" date is totally normal and nothing to worry about. It's just when their computer systems run maintenance or account updates. Since you're getting a refund (not owing money), this date doesn't affect your refund timing at all. Your transcript shows your return was processed on 2/24, so you should see your refund hit your account soon if it hasn't already. The transaction codes look normal for someone with earned income credit and dependents. Just keep checking "Where's My Refund" for the most up-to-date status on when it'll be deposited!
I've been getting health insurance through the marketplace for all of 2023, paying nothing monthly thanks to premium tax credits. Here's my problem - I originally signed up using my estimated income from 2022, but then my workplace suddenly closed at the end of last year. I ended up taking this entire year off, so my actual 2023 income is basically $0. I completely spaced on updating my income on the marketplace website. It honestly never crossed my mind until recently during open enrollment when I finally went in and updated it. When I did, I remembered that when you sign up, you agree to update any income changes within 30 days "under penalty of perjury" - and now I'm freaking out. I've been searching online but can't find clear answers. From what I understand, you need at least around $14k income to even qualify for marketplace insurance. When I updated my info, the system said I might qualify for Medicaid instead - but it seems too late for that now. What kind of trouble am I in? I'm mentally prepared to pay back all the premium tax credits, but since I technically didn't qualify for marketplace insurance at all, will I have to pay the full unsubsidized cost of the insurance (which I can't afford)? Am I in actual legal trouble for not reporting this? Will this all just come up when I file my taxes? I'm really worried.
Just to clarify something - the income threshold to qualify for marketplace subsidies in non-expansion states is 100% of the Federal Poverty Level, not $14k exactly. For 2023, that's about $13,590 for a single person. When you file your taxes with Form 8962, if you received APTC (Advanced Premium Tax Credit) but your income falls below 100% FPL, there's a specific checkbox (I think it's Part III of the form) that handles this situation. Check "yes" to the question about estimating your income would be higher than poverty level.
I work for a tax preparation service and see this situation frequently during filing season. The key thing to understand is that the IRS distinguishes between "reasonable estimates" and intentional misrepresentation. When you initially enrolled using your 2022 income as an estimate, that was completely appropriate - you had no way of knowing your workplace would close. The fact that you took time off after losing your job is also a reasonable life decision that couldn't have been predicted when you enrolled. The "penalty of perjury" language applies to knowingly providing false information, not to life circumstances changing after enrollment. An audit would focus on whether your original estimate was reasonable based on the information available at the time, not whether it turned out to be accurate. What matters for audit protection is that you eventually updated your information when you realized the discrepancy during open enrollment. This demonstrates good faith compliance. Document everything - keep records of when you updated your marketplace information, any communications with them, and note the timeline of your job loss. The income cliff provision others mentioned is real and will protect you from repaying the subsidies. Just make sure to complete Form 8962 accurately and check the appropriate boxes for falling below the poverty threshold despite reasonable initial estimates.
So I'm a bit confused about my city tax situation this year. A few of my W2s show the corporate headquarters address in another state, even though I work at local branches inside city limits. The weird thing is, these W2s don't show any local wages or local income tax withheld. I've always reported my city taxes before and usually end up owing since nothing was withheld. But this year I decided to use a tax professional for the first time, and they never asked me where I physically work for each company. They just used whatever was on the W2s. After they finished my return (while I was sitting there), I ended up with a city tax refund. I didn't question it at the time, but now I'm wondering if this is right? Should I be concerned? If I were to do my taxes myself next year, could I also just go by what's on the W2s without adding information about where I actually work?
Quick question - what tax software did your professional use? I'm wondering if certain programs handle this situation better than others.
This is a really important issue that more people need to be aware of! I work for a large corporation with offices in multiple states, and my W2 always shows our main headquarters address even though I've never set foot in that building. For anyone reading this thread - definitely don't assume your tax preparer will automatically know to ask about your actual work location. I learned this the hard way when I moved from one branch office to another mid-year and had to file taxes in two different cities. The W2 looked exactly the same for both locations! My advice: always bring documentation of where you physically worked to your tax appointment, even if it seems obvious to you. Save emails, parking passes, building access logs, anything that shows your actual work location. It's much easier to provide this upfront than to deal with penalties and audits later.
Hey tax folks, I'm in a bit of a pickle here. I need to file my S-Corporation return (Form 1120S) for the 2022 tax year, but all the software I've looked at seems crazy expensive. My business didn't do great last year so I'm trying to save wherever I can. Is there ANY way to e-file the 1120S without dropping $200+ on software? I've used the free filing options for my personal taxes before, but I can't seem to find anything similar for S-Corps. The IRS website wasn't super helpful and I'm running out of time. Any suggestions would be super appreciated!
Have you tried contacting your local SCORE office? They provide free mentoring to small businesses and sometimes have resources for tax filing. When I was starting out, they connected me with a retired CPA who helped me file my 1120S for just a small donation to their organization.
Another option to consider is reaching out to local accounting students or recent graduates. Many colleges with accounting programs have students who need practical experience and might help with your 1120S filing for a reasonable fee (often much less than established CPAs charge). You could contact the accounting department at nearby universities - they sometimes have programs where students work on real tax returns under professor supervision. Also, don't overlook the IRS Free File program completely. While it doesn't cover business returns directly, some of the participating software companies offer discounted rates on their business products if you qualify for their personal tax free filing. It's worth checking with companies like FreeTaxUSA or TaxAct to see if they have any promotions running. One last tip: if your S-Corp is relatively simple (single owner, no complex transactions), you might be able to use the fillable PDF forms from the IRS website and file by mail. It's more work but completely free except for postage.
Diego Chavez
4 One thing to watch out for - if you started in fall 2023 and stayed through 2024, make sure you're filing for the right tax year! I messed this up badly last year and had to refile everything.
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Diego Chavez
Author9 Omg this is a good point. I think Form 8843 goes by calendar year not academic year, right? So if OP started in August/September 2023, they'd need to file for 2023 tax year (due Jun 2024) AND then next year file again for 2024 tax year.
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Lauren Zeb
Just to clarify the timeline confusion mentioned above - if you started your sophomore year "last fall" (which would be fall 2024), you would only need to file Form 8843 for the 2024 tax year, which isn't due until June 15, 2025. So you're actually not late at all! However, if you meant fall 2023, then yes, you would have needed to file for 2023 by June 15, 2024, and you'd still need to file for 2024 by June 2025. Either way, don't stress too much. As others have mentioned, late filing of Form 8843 with no income rarely results in penalties. The IRS is generally understanding of international students who weren't aware of the requirement, especially for informational forms like this one.
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