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I went through this exact situation two years ago when I was trying to balance maximizing my 401k contributions with maintaining eligibility for various tax credits. Here's what I learned: The key distinction is between "earned income" and "adjusted gross income" (AGI). Traditional 401k contributions reduce your AGI but NOT your earned income for tax credit purposes like the Child and Dependent Care Credit. Your earned income is essentially your gross compensation before any pre-tax deductions. So if you make $60,000 and contribute $10,000 to a traditional 401k, your earned income is still $60,000 for tax credit calculations, even though your AGI drops to $50,000. This means you can absolutely maximize your 401k contributions to get that employer match without worrying about losing your child care credit eligibility. The IRS specifically defines earned income as compensation received for personal services, regardless of where that money goes afterward. I'd recommend reviewing Form 2441 instructions if you want to see the official language, but the consensus here is correct - 401k contributions don't affect earned income for tax credits.
This is such a helpful breakdown! I'm new to understanding how all these different income calculations work for tax purposes. Just to make sure I understand correctly - when you say "earned income" stays at $60k in your example, is that figure documented anywhere specific on tax forms, or is it something the IRS calculates internally when determining credit eligibility? I want to make sure I can verify this on my own returns.
I give this site credit for being the source of AI search conclusions and again in this case the result is incorrect.ย In this case โThe site confirmed that traditional 401(k) contributions don't affect earned income calculations for EITC purposes either.โ and other citations.ย See 1040 instructions for EITC, โEarned Incomeโ calculated as follows: 1) Amount from Form 1040 line 1z (reduced by 401K contributions) - Medicaid waiver payments + nontaxable combat pay.ย Thatโs it!ย Please tell me what I'm missing. 401K contributions are NOT added back in.
@James Heil For specific line instructions, pull up the 2025 1040 Instructions, go to page 42/126, Step 5 Earned 'Income for' above 3 components. Importantly, Box 1 and (line 1z also) excludes Pre-tax health benefits and Employee HSA contributions.
@James Heil For specific line instructions, pull up the 2025 1040 Instructions, go to page 42/126, Step 5 Earned 'Income for' above 3 components. Importantly, Box 1 and (line 1z also) excludes Pre-tax health benefits and Employee HSA contributions. Also for Child and Dependent Care Expenses, see Instructions for Form 2441, lines 4&5, no allowance/add backs for 401 k(contributions) or pre-tax health benefits only line 1z.
I totally understand your confusion! I went through something similar last year and was completely lost trying to decode my transcript. That -$1,910.00 with code 291 is actually GREAT news for you! ๐ The negative sign means it's money coming TO you, not something you owe. I know it seems backwards but that's how the IRS does their accounting on transcripts. Code 291 "Reduced or removed prior tax assessed" means they reviewed your return (likely because of your amended return from October) and determined you were overcharged on taxes originally. So they're correcting it in your favor! The refund freeze from March has probably been holding things up, but once that releases you should see an 846 code appear - that's when they actually cut the check. Based on what everyone else has shared here, I'd definitely recommend checking your transcript every Friday morning since that's when they typically update. From my experience, it took about 6 weeks from seeing the 291 to getting the 846 refund code, then about 10 days for the money to actually hit my account. You're definitely getting that $1,910 - just gotta wait for the IRS to work through their backlog! The waiting is stressful but you're in good shape. Keep us posted! ๐ฐ
I've been dealing with similar IRS transcript confusion and this thread has been incredibly helpful! That -$1,910.00 with code 291 is definitely money coming TO you - the negative sign means it's a credit to your account, not a debt. Code 291 "Reduced or removed prior tax assessed" basically means the IRS reviewed your return (probably triggered by your October amended return) and found they overcharged you originally, so they're giving you that money back! The refund freeze from March is likely what's been holding everything up, but once that clears you should see an 846 code appear on your transcript - that's the actual refund code. Based on everyone's experiences here, I'd definitely start checking your transcript every Friday morning since that's when they typically post updates. From what I've read, it usually takes 4-6 weeks from seeing the 291 to getting the 846, then another week or two for the actual money. You're definitely getting that $1,910 - just gotta be patient with the IRS processing! The waiting is nerve-wracking but you're in great shape. Keep checking and let us know when you see that 846 code! ๐ฐ
@Amara Nnamani hey can you help me understand my transcript and when should I expect 846 code also why is negative amount up top different only saying -681 but my 291 code is showing -10,106 does that mean refund will be 10,706 ? Is the -600 just not an updated amount .? Help im just a little confused
Itโs been 3 weeks I verified my identity over the phone and I havenโt received a ddd . The progression went from being processed to being reviewed.
Luca Greco
One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is to keep detailed records of everything throughout this process. Save copies of the excess contribution removal form, any correspondence with your HSA provider, and the 1099-SA when you receive it. I'd also recommend taking screenshots of your HSA account showing the account balance before and after the removal, just in case there are any discrepancies later. My HSA provider initially calculated the earnings incorrectly and I had to provide documentation to get it fixed. Also, when you call your HSA provider to submit the form, get the name of the person you speak with and ask for a confirmation number or reference number for your request. This makes it much easier to follow up if there are delays. The IRS can be very particular about HSA documentation, so having a complete paper trail will save you headaches if you ever get audited or if there are questions about how the removal was handled.
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Isaiah Sanders
โขThis is excellent advice about documentation! I learned this the hard way when I had an HSA issue a few years ago. The IRS loves their paper trails, especially with HSAs since they're so heavily regulated. I'd also add - if your HSA provider has an online portal, download and save PDFs of all your account statements from before and after the removal. Some providers only keep online records for a limited time, and you might need those statements years later if there are any questions. The confirmation number tip is gold - I've had to reference mine multiple times when following up on processing delays.
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Eli Butler
Just to add one more perspective on timing - I'm a tax preparer and see this HSA overcontribution issue fairly often. The April 15th deadline for excess contribution removal is firm, but there's one thing that might help if you're really pressed for time. Some HSA providers will accept the removal request by phone and then send the paperwork afterward for your records. This can save a few days if you're cutting it close to the deadline. Just make sure to get that confirmation number and follow up to ensure they received your phone request. Also, regarding the extension - filing Form 4868 for an automatic extension is super straightforward and can be done online through the IRS website in just a few minutes. You don't need to provide a reason. This gives you until October 15th to file your actual return while still meeting the April 15th deadline for the HSA removal. One last tip: if your HSA is with a major provider like Fidelity, HSA Bank, or HealthEquity, they typically have dedicated HSA customer service lines with reps who are specifically trained on these excess contribution situations. Much more helpful than general customer service.
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CosmicCadet
โขThanks @Eli Butler for the professional insight! The phone request option is really good to know - I wasn t'aware that some providers would accept these requests over the phone. That could be a lifesaver for people who are cutting it close to the deadline. Quick question - when someone calls in the removal request, do they typically need to have specific information ready beyond just the excess amount? Like account numbers, contribution dates, etc.? I want to make sure I m'prepared if I need to go that route. Also really appreciate the tip about the dedicated HSA service lines. My provider is HSA Bank and their general customer service has been pretty unhelpful so far, but I ll'try calling their HSA-specific line instead.
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TVB
โข@Eli Butler I did not initially file for an extension because the excess contributions were identified after we knew about them medicare (was backdated We) removed them and the earnings, but I am struggling with the amended returns pursuant to 301.9100-2. Are the earnings reported in 2026 or 2025? Fidelity will not send and updated 1099-SA.
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