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Can I submit prior year Form 8606 by itself without amending my tax returns?

I've got a bit of a mess with my IRA contributions and Form 8606 situation. Back in 2019, 2020, and 2021, I made contributions to my Traditional IRA that I now realize were nondeductible. The 2019 one could have been deducted initially, but I messed up and didn't claim it on my original return. Now the three-year amendment window has closed so I'm stuck with it being nondeductible. For 2021 and 2022, I didn't know my contributions weren't deductible because I had an employer 401k. I didn't file Form 8606 for either 2019 or 2020. For 2021 and 2022, I did file Form 8606 but completely forgot to include my past basis on Line 2 (my tax software didn't carry it forward and I didn't know enough to add it manually). I recently amended my 2022 return for other reasons and updated Form 8606 while I was at it. Now I'm trying to figure out what to do about 2019, 2020 (to carry the basis from 2019), and 2021. Here's what I'm wondering: 1. Can I just file Form 8606 by itself for 2019, 2020, and 2021 without actually amending my entire tax returns? I'm finding conflicting information online - some sources say you can only file it standalone if you weren't required to file Form 1040 at all. Adding or updating Form 8606 wouldn't change anything on my 1040 forms. 2. If I do need to amend my returns to add Form 8606, can I still do this for 2019 and 2020 even though the three-year deadline has passed? Or does that deadline only matter when I'm trying to get additional refunds? If amending isn't an option anymore, how do I fix this situation? Any help would be greatly appreciated!

AstroAce

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This is exactly the kind of situation where getting professional help or using specialized tools makes sense. I went through something similar with multiple years of missing 8606 forms, and the complexity of calculating basis carryforward between years can get tricky fast. One thing I'd add to the great advice already given - when you file those standalone 8606 forms, make copies of everything and keep detailed records. The IRS systems don't always link these forms perfectly to your main tax records, so having your own documentation is crucial. Also, double-check your 2021 amended return to make sure the corrected 8606 properly reflects the basis from 2019 and 2020. If you didn't include that carryforward basis, you might need to amend 2021 again once you get the earlier years sorted out. The whole chain has to be correct for your basis tracking to work properly going forward.

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Harmony Love

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This is such great advice about keeping detailed records! I'm just starting to deal with a similar mess and I'm realizing how important the documentation aspect is. Quick question - when you say the IRS systems don't always link these standalone forms perfectly, does that mean I should send them certified mail or with some kind of tracking? I'm worried about forms getting lost in the system and then having to prove I actually filed them. Also, regarding the basis carryforward chain - if I discover I made an error in calculating basis for one of the middle years after I've already filed the standalone forms, is it a huge hassle to correct that? Or can I just file a corrected 8606 for that year without going through the whole amendment process again?

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Absolutely send them certified mail with return receipt! I learned this the hard way when the IRS claimed they never received one of my standalone 8606 forms. Having that proof of delivery saved me from having to refile and deal with potential penalties. For correcting errors in the basis carryforward chain, you can typically just file a corrected standalone 8606 for the year with the error, but you'll also need to correct any subsequent years that were affected by the wrong basis amount. It's not as complicated as a full amendment, but the domino effect means you might need to file corrected forms for multiple years. This is why getting it right the first time (or using a tool that helps calculate everything correctly) is so important - fixing one error can cascade into needing to fix several years worth of forms.

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One thing that hasn't been mentioned yet is the timing consideration for when you file these standalone 8606 forms. While you can file them at any time, I'd recommend getting them submitted sooner rather than later, especially for 2019 and 2020. The reason is that if you ever need to take distributions from your IRA or do Roth conversions, having your basis properly documented with the IRS becomes critical. I've seen cases where people waited years to file missing 8606 forms, then when they needed to prove their basis during a distribution, the IRS was more skeptical about accepting late-filed forms. Also, make sure you're using the correct version of Form 8606 for each tax year - don't use the current year's form for prior years. The IRS wants to see the form version that was actually in effect for that specific tax year. You can find prior year forms in the IRS forms archive on their website. One last tip: when you mail these forms, include a brief cover letter for each year explaining that you're filing a standalone Form 8606 to report nondeductible IRA contributions. This helps the IRS processor understand why they're receiving just this form rather than a complete return or amendment.

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Ali Anderson

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This is incredibly helpful advice about using the correct year's form versions! I had no idea that mattered and almost made a big mistake. Just to clarify - when you mention including a cover letter, should that reference the Rev. Proc. 2022-38 that was mentioned earlier, or is that something different? Also, regarding the timing aspect, I'm curious about your comment on IRS skepticism for late-filed forms. Is there a practical time limit where they become more questioning, or is it more about having a reasonable explanation for the delay? I'm about to file forms for 2018-2021 and wondering if I should expect more scrutiny since some of these are pretty old now.

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Debra Bai

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One thing everyone forgot to mention - if you decide to depreciate rather than using Section 179, and your business has a bad year or closes before the depreciation period ends, you can't just deduct the remaining value all at once. Something to consider if your business fluctuates a lot! This happened to my friend's videography business and he lost out on thousands in potential deductions.

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I think that's not quite right? If you dispose of business assets, you can claim a loss for the remaining basis. My accountant handled this when I sold some equipment.

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Great question! Yes, you can absolutely deduct equipment purchases made with loan funds. The IRS doesn't care where the money came from - what matters is that it's a legitimate business expense. A few key points for your photography LLC: 1. **Section 179 vs Depreciation**: For $12,500 in equipment, you'll likely want to use Section 179 to deduct the full amount in the first year rather than depreciating over time. Much simpler and gives you the tax benefit immediately. 2. **Documentation**: Keep clear records linking the loan to the equipment purchases. Save receipts, invoices, and loan documents showing the funds were used for business purposes. 3. **Don't forget loan interest**: While the loan principal isn't deductible, the interest you pay on that business loan is a separate deductible expense throughout the life of the loan. 4. **Mixed-use equipment**: If any equipment might be used personally (like a camera you occasionally use for family photos), you can only deduct the business percentage. Since you're an LLC, you'll handle this on Schedule C of your personal return (assuming single-member LLC). The deduction will reduce your taxable business income, which flows through to your personal taxes. Definitely worth consulting a tax pro for your specific situation, but the basic principle is solid - loan-funded business expenses are still deductible business expenses!

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NebulaNinja

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Has anyone used TurboTax to claim a large worthless stock loss like this? I'm wondering if the regular version handles this or if I need to upgrade to their premium version. Last time I tried to enter something complicated like this, it kept giving me errors.

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I tried using TurboTax for a similar situation and it was a nightmare. The program kept asking me for information I didn't have and wouldn't let me proceed. I ended up having to use the desktop version of H&R Block software which handled it much better. It had specific fields for worthless securities and inheritance basis.

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I'm sorry to hear about your situation with the First Republic Bank stock. This is unfortunately becoming more common with recent bank failures. One thing I'd add to the excellent advice already given - make sure you have proper documentation of the inheritance date and fair market value at that time. Since you inherited this 4 years ago, you'll need records showing the stock's value on the date of your family member's death (or the alternate valuation date if the estate elected that). This becomes your "stepped-up basis" for tax purposes. Also, don't rush to sell immediately. First Republic Bank went through a specific FDIC resolution process when it failed in May 2023, and shareholders typically received nothing. However, you should verify with your broker that there truly are no residual distributions expected before claiming it as completely worthless. If you do need to execute a sale, most brokers can handle transactions in defunct securities - they'll often sell for $0.01 per share or similar. The key is having the transaction recorded properly so you have documentation of the sale for your tax return. Given the size of this loss, I'd strongly recommend consulting with a tax professional who has experience with worthless securities and inheritance situations. The $417,000+ loss could provide significant tax benefits over many years if handled correctly.

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Amina Diop

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One more option that hasn't been mentioned - if you remember the company's full legal name, you can try searching the Secretary of State's business records database for the state where the company was incorporated. Even if they went out of business, their registration records usually stay in the system and sometimes include the EIN or Federal Tax ID number. Each state has their own online database you can search for free. Also, if you had direct deposit from this employer, check your bank statements from 2022. Sometimes the company name on the deposit includes their EIN or at least enough identifying information that you could use to track it down through other means. Worth a shot before going through the more complex routes!

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Diego Chavez

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This is really helpful! I never thought about checking the Secretary of State database. Quick question - do you know if the search works even if I don't have the exact legal business name? Like if the company went by "ABC Marketing" but was legally incorporated as "ABC Marketing Solutions LLC" or something like that? Also, for the bank statement idea, what specific info should I be looking for in the deposit details?

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Layla Mendes

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@Diego Chavez Great questions! For the Secretary of State search, most databases have pretty flexible search functions. You can usually search by partial names, so ABC "Marketing should" pull up ABC "Marketing Solutions LLC and" similar variations. Some states also let you search by keywords, so even if you re'not sure of the exact legal name, you can try different combinations. For bank statements, look for the company name in the deposit description - sometimes it shows up as an abbreviated version with numbers that could include part of the EIN. Also check if there s'a reference number or ACH ID associated with the deposit, as those can sometimes be traced back to the employer s'tax ID. Another tip - if you find the company in the Secretary of State database but the EIN isn t'listed, you can usually see who the registered agent was. Sometimes contacting the registered agent if (they re'still in business can) help you get additional info about the dissolved company.

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Salim Nasir

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Another approach that worked for me when I had a similar situation - try searching for the company on LinkedIn or other professional networking sites. Even if the company is defunct, sometimes former employees still have it listed in their work history, and occasionally the full legal name or other identifying details are there that you can use to cross-reference with other databases. Also, if you had any 401(k) or retirement account with this employer, those documents almost always include the EIN. Check any old statements or rollover paperwork you might have saved. Same goes for any employee handbook or onboarding documents - HR departments typically include the EIN on various internal forms. One last thing - if you're really stuck and need to file soon, you can actually file your tax return without the W-2 by using Form 4852 (Substitute for Form W-2). You'll need to estimate your wages and withholdings based on your paystubs, but it allows you to file on time while you're still tracking down the official documents. The IRS will match it up with the actual W-2 data once they process everything.

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Malik Jackson

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This is really comprehensive advice! The Form 4852 option is especially good to know about since I'm already filing so late and getting stressed about penalties. Just to clarify - if I use Form 4852 with my paystub estimates, will the IRS automatically flag my return for audit? Or is this a pretty standard thing they're used to dealing with? I'm worried about making my situation worse by filing incorrectly, but at this point I just want to get something submitted.

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I wish the tax code wasn't so unnecessarily complicated!! Why can't points just be points and deductions just be deductions? My freind got audited over this exact issue and the IRS agent didn't even understand it. He kept changing his answer!!!!

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Logan Chiang

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The complication comes from people using the tax code as a way to get around limits. That's why we have all these rules. If there was a simple "deduct all points" rule without the $750k mortgage limit, people would just convert regular interest into points to bypass the limit completely.

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Isla Fischer

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This is exactly the kind of situation where documentation is everything. I went through something similar last year with an $820k mortgage and $8,200 in points. The key thing I learned is to keep meticulous records of exactly how much of your loan went toward the home purchase vs. any improvements. Since you mentioned $50k went to renovations, that could actually work in your favor. The IRS treats home improvement debt differently - it's not subject to the same $750k cap as acquisition debt. So you'd potentially have $780k subject to the limit (not the full $830k), which would increase your deductible percentage. My advice: get your closing statement, contractor receipts, and any other documentation organized now. When your tax person gets back, they'll be able to properly allocate the points between acquisition debt and improvement debt. This could save you several hundred dollars in additional deductions. Don't just assume you're limited to the simple ratio calculation - the improvement portion changes everything.

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Jacob Lee

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This is really helpful - I had no idea that the home improvement portion could be treated differently! So just to make sure I understand correctly: if I can properly document that $50k of my mortgage went directly to renovations, then I'd calculate my deductible points based on $780k being subject to the limit instead of the full $830k? That would change my ratio from about 90% to around 96%, which is a meaningful difference on $9,500 in points. Do I need any specific type of documentation beyond the closing statement and contractor receipts to prove this allocation?

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