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Thanks everyone for the detailed explanations! This has been incredibly helpful. I'm dealing with a similar situation and want to make sure I understand the process correctly. From what I'm gathering, the key is to first determine whether the partnership has already applied the 163(j) limitation at their level. If they have, then the Box 13k amount is already limited and can be deducted directly on Schedule E without filing Form 8990. But if the partnership is exempt and passed through the full amount, then I need to evaluate whether my individual client qualifies for the small business exemption. One follow-up question: if my client does need to file Form 8990, does the Box 13k amount get entered on line 1a as "business interest expense" or does it go somewhere else on the form since it's coming from a pass-through entity? I want to make sure I'm not double-counting or missing anything in the calculation. Also, for the gross receipts test, when you say "businesses under common control" - does this include if my client owns rental properties through separate LLCs? The aggregation rules can get pretty complex.

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Aria Khan

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Great questions! For Form 8990, the Box 13k amount would actually go on line 1a as "business interest expense" - it's treated just like any other business interest expense for purposes of the limitation calculation. The form doesn't distinguish between direct business interest and pass-through interest. Regarding the aggregation rules, yes, rental properties held through separate LLCs would typically be aggregated if they're under common control. The general rule is that entities with more than 50% common ownership get aggregated for the gross receipts test. So if your client owns multiple LLCs, you'd need to combine their gross receipts to determine if they exceed the $27 million threshold. One thing to watch out for - make sure to check if there are any other pass-through entities involved. Sometimes clients have interest from multiple K-1s, and you'll need to aggregate all of that business interest expense on Form 8990 if they don't qualify for the small business exemption.

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FireflyDreams

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This is exactly the kind of complex partnership issue that trips up so many practitioners! I've been dealing with similar K-1 Box 13k situations lately, and the key insight that helped me was realizing that the partnership's treatment determines your next steps. Here's my practical approach: First, look for any statement or attachment that came with the K-1 - partnerships are supposed to indicate whether they've applied the 163(j) limitation. If they have, you're done - just deduct the $92,300 on Schedule E. If there's no clear indication, I'd recommend calling the partnership's preparer directly rather than guessing. For the gross receipts test, remember it's a 3-year average of ALL businesses under common control. So if your client has multiple entities or rental properties, you'll need to aggregate everything. The $27 million threshold applies to the combined total. One red flag I've learned to watch for: sometimes partnerships will put a note in Box 20 with code AE indicating they're exempt, but that doesn't mean your individual client is automatically exempt too. You still need to run the gross receipts test at the individual level. The good news is that once you work through this process a few times, the pattern becomes much clearer. Don't hesitate to reach out to the partnership if you need clarification - they should have this information readily available since other partners are probably asking the same questions!

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Andre Laurent

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This is really helpful guidance! I'm new to handling these partnership situations and appreciate the step-by-step approach. One thing I'm still unclear on - when you mention calling the partnership's preparer, what specific information should I be asking for? Should I request a copy of their Form 8990 if they filed one, or is there a standard statement they should provide? I want to make sure I'm asking the right questions so I don't seem completely lost when I call them. Also, you mentioned the 3-year average for gross receipts - is that based on the tax years or calendar years? My client has some seasonal rental income that varies significantly year to year, so I want to make sure I'm calculating this correctly.

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Sofia Morales

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The documentation aspect everyone's mentioning is crucial. I learned this the hard way during an audit two years ago. The IRS auditor didn't care that I had a portfolio line of credit - they wanted to see exactly where every dollar went and how it connected to investment purchases. What saved me was keeping a separate spreadsheet with three columns: date of withdrawal, amount, and specific investment purchased. I also kept screenshots of my brokerage account showing the investment purchases on the same dates. The auditor accepted this documentation and allowed the full deduction. Pro tip: If you're using the funds for multiple purposes, consider taking separate withdrawals for each purpose rather than one large withdrawal that you split later. Makes the paper trail much cleaner and easier to defend if questioned.

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Keisha Taylor

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This is incredibly helpful advice! I'm just starting to consider a portfolio line of credit and had no idea the documentation requirements were so strict. Your spreadsheet approach sounds like a smart way to stay organized from the beginning rather than trying to piece things together later. Quick question - when you say "screenshots of brokerage account," did you literally take screenshots of each purchase confirmation, or was there a better way to document the investment purchases? I'm trying to set up a system before I actually take out the loan so I don't end up in the same situation you described with the audit.

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Emma Johnson

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@Sofia Morales Your audit experience is a perfect example of why proper documentation is so critical! For anyone reading this, I d'recommend downloading monthly statements from your brokerage account rather than just screenshots - they re'more official and harder to question. Most brokerages also provide detailed transaction history exports that you can download as CSV files. These show exact dates, amounts, and security purchases which creates an ironclad paper trail. I keep both the monthly statements and the CSV exports in a dedicated tax folder on my computer. Another tip: if you re'buying ETFs or mutual funds with the borrowed money, make sure to note the exact fund names and ticker symbols in your records. The IRS wants to see that you actually purchased qualifying investments, not just that money moved around your accounts.

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Ravi Malhotra

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I've been dealing with portfolio line of credit interest deductions for the past three years, and wanted to share a few additional insights that might help others avoid some pitfalls I encountered. One thing that hasn't been mentioned yet is the timing of when you actually use the borrowed funds versus when you take the loan. I made the mistake of taking out a large portfolio line in December but didn't actually purchase investments until February of the following tax year. The IRS considers the interest deductible based on when you actually USE the money for qualifying investments, not when you borrow it. So I had two months of interest that wasn't deductible because the money was just sitting in my checking account. Now I time my withdrawals much closer to when I'm actually making investment purchases. Also, be careful with dividend reinvestment plans (DRIPs) if you're trying to maximize your net investment income for the interest limitation. I learned that you can elect to receive dividends in cash rather than automatically reinvesting them, which increases your investment income and potentially allows you to deduct more interest expense in the current year. The carryforward rules @Tyrone Hill mentioned are definitely important to understand upfront, especially if you're planning a large loan relative to your current investment income.

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@Ravi Malhotra This timing issue you mentioned is something I wish I had known earlier! I m'in a similar situation where I m'considering a portfolio line but wasn t'sure about the optimal timing for withdrawals and purchases. Your point about dividend election is really interesting - I hadn t'thought about how that could impact the investment income limitation. Do you know if there are any downsides to taking dividends in cash instead of reinvesting, beyond just having to manually reinvest them later? I m'wondering if there are any tax implications or other considerations I should be aware of before making that election with my dividend-paying stocks. Also, when you say you time your withdrawals closer to investment purchases now, do you literally withdraw and invest on the same day, or is there still some reasonable window where the IRS would accept the connection between the loan and the investment use?

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Diego Flores

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Has anyone here actually received a 1099 or any tax form from the VA for the funding fee refund? I got a refund last year and my tax guy insists I should have received some kind of tax form for it.

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I got a funding fee refund of about $4k in 2023 and didn't receive any tax forms for it. Called the VA regional loan center to confirm and they said they don't issue any tax forms for these refunds because they're not considered income.

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Ravi Patel

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I went through this exact situation last year and can confirm what others have said - the VA funding fee refund is NOT taxable income. You won't receive any tax forms from the VA for it, and you don't need to report it on your return. Here's what I learned from my experience: The VA considers this a refund of a fee you weren't supposed to pay in the first place due to your disability rating. It's essentially returning your own money, not providing you with income. However, I'd strongly recommend doing what others suggested about applying that refund toward your mortgage principal. Since the funding fee is still built into your loan balance, you're paying interest on money you effectively got back. I put my entire $5,200 refund toward principal and it'll save me over $12,000 in interest over the life of the loan. Also, keep good records of the refund and your disability rating effective date. While you don't need to report it as income, having documentation that shows why you received the refund can be helpful if you ever get questioned about it during an audit. Hope this helps put your mind at ease about the tax implications!

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This is really helpful, thank you! I'm actually going through a similar situation right now - just got my disability rating backdated and expecting a funding fee refund soon. One question: when you applied the refund to principal, did you have to do anything special with your lender or just make a regular extra payment? Also, did you keep any specific documentation beyond just the refund letter from the VA?

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Mohammed Khan

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Just to add another perspective on this - I've been managing rental properties for about 8 years and have dealt with this exact situation multiple times. The key thing everyone's mentioned is correct: you don't need to amend your 2022 return for the $3,800 window replacement. One thing I'd emphasize is documentation. Make sure you keep all your receipts, invoices, and any photos of the work being done. The IRS may ask for proof of when the improvement was actually placed in service if you ever get audited. I always create a simple spreadsheet tracking all my rental property improvements with dates, costs, and depreciation schedules. Also, since you mentioned this is a recurring issue (forgetting to include improvements), consider setting up a simple system to track these as they happen. I use a basic app on my phone to photograph receipts immediately and note what property they're for. Has saved me from missing depreciation on several occasions! The consensus here is solid - start depreciating this year and don't stress about the amendment for this amount.

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NebulaNova

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Great advice on the documentation! I'm definitely guilty of not keeping good records. Quick question - when you say "placed in service," does that mean the date the windows were actually installed, or when I started renting the property out again after the work was done? The installation took about 3 days in 2022.

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Naila Gordon

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Good question! "Placed in service" means the date the windows were actually installed and ready for use - so it would be when the installation was completed, not when you resumed renting. If the installation took 3 days, use the date when the work was finished and the windows were functional. The property doesn't need to be actively rented at that moment for the asset to be considered "placed in service." As long as the property is available for rent (even if vacant), the improvement is considered in service for tax purposes. So if your windows were installed on, say, March 15, 2022, that's your placed-in-service date regardless of whether you had tenants at the time. This is why keeping those contractor invoices with completion dates is so important - they serve as your documentation for the IRS.

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I've been dealing with rental properties for about 5 years now and ran into this exact scenario with a roof repair I forgot to include. The advice here is spot-on - you can absolutely start depreciating those windows this year without amending your 2022 return. One additional tip: since you mentioned the $3,800 cost included installation labor, make sure you're not accidentally double-counting anything. Sometimes contractors will break out materials vs labor on their invoices, but for tax purposes, it all goes into the same depreciation bucket as others have mentioned. Also, if you're planning any other improvements to this rental property in the near future, consider bundling them strategically. While each individual improvement gets its own depreciation schedule, having everything documented and organized makes tax time much smoother. I learned this the hard way after having scattered receipts for multiple small improvements across different years! The $138/year depreciation on your windows is definitely not worth the hassle of amending - you're making the right call to just start fresh this year.

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This is really helpful advice, especially about bundling improvements strategically! I'm actually planning to replace the HVAC system in the same rental property later this year, so it sounds like I should keep that separate on the depreciation schedule even though it's the same property. One question though - you mentioned not double-counting materials vs labor. My contractor invoice does break these out separately ($2,400 materials, $1,400 labor). Should I be concerned about this breakdown, or just use the total $3,800 as the depreciable basis like everyone's been saying? I want to make sure I'm not missing anything that could cause issues later.

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Ava Thompson

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This has been an incredibly comprehensive discussion! As someone who works in tax preparation, I wanted to add one final consideration that might be helpful for your Nevada-to-Arizona transfer. Since you're gifting a vehicle worth $15,000 (under the annual exclusion), you won't need to file Form 709, but I'd still recommend keeping a simple record for your own files documenting the gift. Just a basic summary with the date, recipient, vehicle details (VIN, year, make, model), and fair market value. This isn't required by the IRS, but it's good practice in case you ever need to reference it years down the road. Also, while everyone has covered the major tax implications well, don't forget that your brother may need to budget for Arizona registration fees, which can vary significantly depending on the county and vehicle value. Even though he may avoid sales tax with the family gift exemption, there are still standard registration and title fees that he'll need to pay. The consensus here is spot-on - gifting is definitely your cleanest option given the circumstances. Just make sure you both keep detailed records of the entire process, including all the valuation documentation, signed paperwork, and correspondence with both state DMVs. Good luck with the transfer next month!

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Levi Parker

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Ava, thanks for that great summary and the tip about keeping personal records even when not required to file with the IRS! That's really smart advice. I'm just getting started in this community and have been following along with all the excellent advice here. As someone who's never dealt with vehicle transfers before, this whole discussion has been eye-opening about how many different factors you need to consider. One thing that really stands out to me is how the gift route seems to consistently come out ahead in almost every scenario discussed - simpler paperwork, potential state tax savings, cleaner documentation trail, and no federal filing requirements under the annual exclusion. It makes me wonder why anyone would choose the discounted sale route when gifting seems so much more straightforward. Andre, it sounds like you've got a clear path forward now with all this advice! The documentation checklist that's been built throughout this thread should make the process pretty smooth for both you and your brother.

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Manny Lark

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As a newcomer to this community, I've been following this discussion with great interest since I'm actually facing a similar situation with my elderly parents wanting to transfer their second vehicle to me. One aspect I haven't seen fully addressed is the timing of when your brother should actually take possession of the vehicle versus when the paperwork gets processed. Should Andre physically hand over the keys and car at the same time as signing the title and gift affidavit, or is there a recommended sequence to follow? Also, I'm curious about liability insurance coverage during the transition period. If Andre signs the title over as a gift but his brother hasn't yet registered it in Arizona, who's responsible for maintaining insurance coverage during that gap? I know some states require continuous coverage even during ownership transfers. The advice in this thread has been incredibly thorough - especially the emphasis on documentation and the clear consensus that gifting is the way to go for Andre's situation. It's really helpful to see all the different considerations laid out so comprehensively!

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