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What reasons can Washington ESD unemployment be denied - need to understand my options

I'm trying to understand all the different reasons Washington ESD can deny unemployment benefits because I want to make sure I don't mess up my application. I've heard there are tons of ways they can disqualify you and I'm honestly pretty nervous about filing. Can anyone break down the main reasons they reject claims? I know about getting fired for misconduct but what else should I watch out for? My last job ended kind of messy and I'm worried they might try to fight my claim.

The main categories for Washington ESD denials are: 1) Voluntary quit without good cause 2) Discharge for misconduct 3) Not able and available for work 4) Refusing suitable work 5) Not actively seeking work 6) Fraud/misrepresentation. Each has specific criteria they look at during adjudication.

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What counts as 'good cause' for quitting? My situation was pretty complicated with my supervisor.

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Good cause includes things like harassment, unsafe working conditions, significant changes to job duties, or constructive discharge. Document everything if you can.

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The main categories for Washington ESD denials are: 1) Voluntary quit without good cause 2) Misconduct (including attendance issues, policy violations, insubordination) 3) Not available or able to work 4) Not actively seeking work 5) Earnings exceeding benefit amount 6) Not meeting monetary eligibility. Since you mentioned attendance problems, that could potentially be classified as misconduct depending on your employer's documentation.

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How do they determine if attendance issues count as misconduct? I was maybe 10-15 minutes late like 4 times in my last month there.

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It depends on your employer's attendance policy and whether you received warnings. If you were written up or had documented violations of their policy, that could be misconduct. But minor tardiness without formal discipline might not be.

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they denied mine because I wasn't available due to lack of childcare. apparently that's a thing even though I was ready to work if I found care

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Yeah the able and available requirement is strict. You have to be ready to accept work immediately when offered.

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seems unfair but whatever, I appealed it and eventually got approved after explaining my situation better

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If you're worried about the employer fighting your claim, you should know they have 10 days to respond to Washington ESD about your separation. Most of the time if it's not clear-cut misconduct they won't bother, but some companies are vindictive about it.

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That's exactly what I'm worried about. My ex-boss was pretty angry when I left.

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Document everything from your employment. Save emails, write down incidents with dates. If it goes to adjudication you'll need proof.

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got denied twice before finally getting approved, the system is brutal honestly

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What were you denied for initially?

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first time they said i quit voluntarily even tho i was laid off, second time was some BS about not being available for work

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I got denied initially because they said I didn't meet the wage requirements. Make sure you earned enough in your base period - it's the first 4 of the last 5 completed calendar quarters before you file. You need wages in at least 2 quarters and meet minimum thresholds.

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How do you find out what your base period wages are?

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It shows up in your eServices account once you file, or you can request a wage transcript from Washington ESD beforehand.

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This happened to me too because I had a gap in employment. They use weird quarters so check your math.

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I've been helping people with Washington ESD issues for years and the most common denials I see are: misconduct (attendance, performance, policy violations), voluntary quit disputes, and work search failures. If you're worried about the attendance thing, make sure you have documentation showing you were laid off, not fired for cause. Pay stubs, layoff notice, anything proving it was workforce reduction not disciplinary action.

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I do have a layoff notice that specifically says 'reduction in workforce' so that should help right?

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That's perfect documentation. Keep that safe because if your former employer contests your claim and says it was misconduct, that layoff notice will be crucial evidence in your favor.

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Is that legit? Sounds too good to be true

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Yeah it's real, I was skeptical too but it actually worked. Better than spending all day redialing.

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Might need this if my claim gets complicated. The phone system is impossible.

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Don't forget about the job search requirements. You have to make 3 job contacts per week and keep a log. If you don't do this properly they can deny your weekly claims even if your initial claim was approved.

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Wait, 3 per week? I thought it was 3 per month!

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Nope, 3 per week unless you're in certain training programs or have a union referral. Check the job search requirements on the Washington ESD website.

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If you do run into issues with Washington ESD reviewing your claim or if they deny you and you need to speak with someone, I had good luck using claimyr.com to actually get through to an agent. They have a service that calls for you and gets you connected when an agent picks up. There's a video demo at https://youtu.be/7DieNd3C7zQ that shows how it works. Way better than sitting on hold for hours trying to reach someone yourself.

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Never heard of that service before, does it actually work? I've been trying to call Washington ESD for weeks about my adjudication.

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Yeah it worked for me. I was trying to get through about an overpayment issue and couldn't reach anyone. Used their service and got connected to an agent the same day who helped sort everything out.

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Another big reason for denial is not meeting the monetary requirements. You need to have earned enough wages in your base period. For 2025, you need at least $1,685 in your highest quarter and total base period wages of at least 1.5 times your high quarter amount.

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How do you know what your base period wages are? Is that something I can check before filing?

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Your base period is the first 4 of the last 5 completed calendar quarters before you file. So if you file in January 2025, it would be January-December 2024. You can check your wage history on the Washington ESD website after you create your account.

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They can also deny you if you're not able and available for work. This includes things like being out of the country, in jail, going to school full-time, or having health issues that prevent you from working. You have to be physically and mentally able to work and available for work during normal business hours.

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What if you're taking care of a sick family member? Would that affect your eligibility?

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It could depending on the situation. If it prevents you from being available for work or limits the hours you can work, that might be an issue. There are some exceptions for family care situations but it's complicated.

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They can also deny you for working while claiming benefits without reporting it properly. Even small amounts of work need to be reported on your weekly claim or they'll hit you with an overpayment and fraud charges.

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What if you do like gig work or sell stuff online?

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All income counts. Report everything to be safe, they'll deduct it from your benefits but it's better than getting caught later.

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Good to know, I might do some freelance work while I'm looking.

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Don't forget about the work search requirements! You have to be actively looking for work and keep a log of your job search activities. If you don't meet the minimum number of work search activities per week, they can deny your benefits.

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how many job searches do you have to do per week?

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It's typically 3 work search activities per week, but it can vary based on your situation. Activities include applying for jobs, attending job fairs, networking contacts, etc. You have to keep detailed records.

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Another common one is if you're attending school full-time. Generally makes you unavailable for work unless it's approved training through WorkSource or you can prove you're still available for suitable work.

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What about online classes at night? That shouldn't interfere with daytime work.

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Part-time or evening classes are usually okay as long as they don't prevent you from accepting suitable work offers.

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If you get denied don't give up! You have 30 days to appeal and a lot of initial denials get overturned at the hearing level. I won my appeal even though I was initially denied for misconduct.

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How hard is the appeal process? Do you need a lawyer?

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You don't need a lawyer but it helps to be prepared. Gather all your evidence and witnesses. The administrative law judge was fair in my case.

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I used that Claimyr service someone mentioned earlier to get help understanding my denial notice. The agent explained what I needed for my appeal.

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THE SYSTEM IS DESIGNED TO DENY PEOPLE!!! I got denied for 'misconduct' because I had a disagreement with my supervisor about unsafe working conditions. Apparently standing up for worker safety is misconduct now. Had to appeal and it took MONTHS to get resolved.

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That's awful! Did you win your appeal eventually?

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Yes but only after hiring a lawyer and going through a hearing. The whole system is rigged against workers.

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WASHINGTON ESD WILL FIND ANY EXCUSE TO DENY YOU! They denied my friend because she moved to a different county and they said that affected her job search area. The system is rigged against workers.

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That doesn't sound right. Moving within Washington shouldn't affect eligibility unless it limits your job search unreasonably.

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Tell that to the adjudicator who denied her claim. She's appealing but shouldn't have to.

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One more important denial reason is fraud or misrepresentation. If you provide false information on your application or weekly claims, that's grounds for denial and potential overpayment issues. Always be completely honest about your work history, reason for separation, and any earnings while on benefits.

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What counts as misrepresentation? Like if you forget to report some small amount of earnings?

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Intent matters. Honest mistakes are usually handled differently than deliberate fraud. But you should report ALL earnings, even small amounts. It's better to over-report than under-report.

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same thing happened to my brother, got denied for attendance even though he was literally sick with pneumonia

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Did he have medical documentation? That seems like it should have been excused.

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yeah he had doctors notes and everything but his employer still fought it, eventually got approved on appeal

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If you're worried about getting denied, make sure you have all your documentation ready. Pay stubs, separation notice, any correspondence with your employer, medical records if health was involved, etc. The more documentation you have, the better your chances if there's a dispute.

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Should I get a statement from my coworkers about the layoff situation?

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That could be helpful, especially if they can confirm it was a layoff and not disciplinary action. Written statements with contact info are best.

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Just wanted to mention again about that Claimyr service since people are talking about appeals and denials. If you do get denied and need to talk to Washington ESD about your case, it's really helpful for getting through to someone who can actually explain what happened and what your options are. Much better than the automated system or trying to call yourself.

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How much does something like that cost though?

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I'm not sure about pricing but for me it was worth it to actually reach someone instead of wasting days trying to get through on my own. Time is money when you're dealing with benefit issues.

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Another thing to watch out for is if you have any issues with your identity verification. Washington ESD has gotten really strict about ID verification after all the fraud issues. If there are any problems verifying your identity, that can hold up or deny your claim.

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What kind of identity verification do they require?

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Usually driver's license, Social Security card, and sometimes additional documents. The ID.me system can be tricky if your documents don't match exactly what they have on file.

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Partial unemployment can also get tricky. If you're working reduced hours but still earning too much compared to your benefit amount, you might not qualify for any payment that week. It's not exactly a denial but you won't get benefits.

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How do they calculate partial benefits? I might have some part-time work while I'm looking for full-time.

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They subtract your gross earnings from your weekly benefit amount. If what's left is less than $10, you don't get a payment that week. But you can still file your weekly claim to keep your claim active.

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Don't forget about union issues too. If you're in a union and there's a strike or work stoppage, that can affect your eligibility. Labor disputes have special rules that are different from regular layoffs.

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I'm not in a union so that shouldn't be an issue for me.

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Good, that's one less thing to worry about then.

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I've seen people get denied for not registering with WorkSource within the required timeframe. Make sure you complete your WorkSource registration as soon as you file your claim.

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How long do you have to register with WorkSource?

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I think it's within a few days of filing but I'd do it immediately to be safe. It's required for most claimants unless you have a specific exemption.

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honestly just file and see what happens, youre overthinking it. if they deny you then you can deal with it but dont assume the worst

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You're probably right, I just want to be prepared since I really need these benefits.

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understandable but stressing about it wont change anything, just make sure you answer everything honestly

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The key thing is being honest and having documentation. Even if you do get denied initially, you have appeal rights. Many denials get overturned on appeal if you have good documentation and can present your case properly.

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How long do you have to file an appeal if you get denied?

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30 days from the date of the determination. Don't wait - file your appeal right away even if you're still gathering documentation.

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Based on what you've described with the layoff notice saying workforce reduction, you should be fine. The attendance issues might come up but if your employer documented it as a layoff rather than termination for cause, that's in your favor. Just be honest about everything and you'll likely get approved.

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Thanks, that makes me feel better. I'll make sure to keep all my documentation organized just in case.

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Good plan. And remember, even if there are issues, you have options. Don't give up if you get an initial denial.

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Make sure your employer separation reason matches what you put on your application. If there's a discrepancy they'll investigate and might deny the claim during adjudication.

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What if you and your employer disagree about why you left?

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That's when it goes to adjudication and they interview both parties. Be honest and have documentation to support your version.

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This is why I always save text messages and emails from work situations. You never know when you'll need proof.

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They also deny claims for people who are self-employed or independent contractors. You have to have traditional W-2 employment to qualify for regular UI benefits.

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What about if you had both W-2 and 1099 work?

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The W-2 wages count toward your claim, but ongoing 1099 work while claiming benefits needs to be reported as income.

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Don't forget about the waiting week requirement. You won't get paid for your first eligible week, but if you get denied later they might make you repay benefits from week 2 onward if there was an issue from the beginning.

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So even if they approve my first few weekly claims, they can still go back and deny the whole thing?

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Yes, if new information comes to light during adjudication. That's why it's important to be completely honest from the start.

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Medical issues can also cause denials if they prevent you from working. You have to be physically and mentally able to perform suitable work. If you have restrictions, you need medical documentation.

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What if you can work but just need accommodations?

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As long as the accommodations don't unreasonably limit your job search, you should be okay. Document your abilities and limitations clearly.

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Here's something people don't realize - if you refuse work that's considered 'suitable' based on your skills and experience, they can deny future benefits even if your original claim was valid.

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How do they define suitable work? What if the pay is way lower than my last job?

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Generally 70% of your previous wage after the first few weeks, but it depends on local job market and your skill level. They consider commute distance too.

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I turned down a job that was 2 hours away and they threatened to cut my benefits. Had to appeal and explain the unreasonable commute.

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One more thing - if you're getting other benefits like workers comp or disability, it can affect your unemployment eligibility. They don't want you 'double dipping' even if the situations are different.

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This is all so complicated. I just want to make sure I do everything right from the start.

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Best advice is to be completely honest on your application and keep detailed records. If you get stuck, use that Claimyr thing to actually talk to someone at Washington ESD instead of guessing.

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Exactly. Most denials come from incomplete information or misunderstandings that could be cleared up with proper communication.

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One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is that they can also deny you if you're receiving severance pay or other separation payments. Washington ESD considers this as wages for the period it covers, which can delay when your benefits start or affect your weekly benefit amount. If you got a severance package, make sure to report it accurately when you file - they'll find out anyway when they verify your wages with your employer. Better to be upfront about it than have them discover it later and potentially hit you with an overpayment.

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Good point about severance pay! I didn't get any severance from my last job but that's definitely something people should know about. It sounds like Washington ESD has a lot of ways to trip people up if you're not careful about reporting everything accurately.

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