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One more important point: If you do exceed the earnings limit, SSA doesn't necessarily reduce each month's benefit by the same amount. They typically withhold benefits completely for some months rather than reducing each payment. For example, if they determine you need to repay $5,000, and your monthly benefit is $2,500, they might withhold 2 full months of benefits. They'll notify you before they do this. Also, remember that any benefits withheld due to excess earnings aren't truly "lost" - once you reach FRA, SSA recalculates your benefit amount to give you credit for those months when benefits were withheld.

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That's good to know! So it's not as catastrophic as I feared if I accidentally go over. I think I'll try to stay well under the limits just to be safe, but it's reassuring to know the withheld amounts aren't permanently lost.

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As someone who recently navigated this exact situation, I want to add a few practical tips that helped me: 1. **Create a simple tracking system NOW** - I use a basic spreadsheet with columns for date, hours worked, type of work, and income earned. This makes it easy to see if you're approaching either limit. 2. **Be conservative with your planning** - I aimed to stay about 10% under both the income and hours limits to give myself a buffer for unexpected projects or miscalculations. 3. **Consider timing your invoicing** - Since you're self-employed, you might have some flexibility in when you send invoices and receive payments. This can help you manage which months income gets counted toward. 4. **Keep ALL business records** - Even if SSA doesn't ask for them, having detailed records of expenses, hours, and income will save you headaches if questions arise later. The good news is that once you hit your FRA in August 2025, all these restrictions disappear completely. You're only dealing with about 8 months of careful tracking. It's manageable if you stay organized from the start!

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This is incredibly helpful advice! I'm just starting to think about all this and feeling pretty overwhelmed by the complexity. The spreadsheet idea sounds perfect - I'm definitely going to set that up this weekend. One question about the invoicing timing - does it matter when I do the actual work versus when I get paid? Like if I complete a project in December 2024 but don't invoice until January 2025, which month does that income count toward? Also, thank you for mentioning the buffer strategy. I was planning to try to get right up to the limits, but staying 10% under sounds much safer given how confusing all these rules are!

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I'm also in Florida (Fort Lauderdale area) and have been dealing with this same nightmare! Reading through everyone's experiences here is both reassuring and depressing - at least I know it's not just me struggling with this system. I tried calling yesterday morning around 10am and got the busy signal, then tried again around noon and waited 1.5 hours before giving up. Based on all the great advice in this thread, I'm planning to try the Wednesday afternoon approach (around 1-2pm) that several people mentioned. Also going to check my online Social Security account first - I totally forgot that was even an option! For my situation I just need to update my address after a recent move, so maybe I can handle that online without calling at all. Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences and strategies. It's really helpful to know what's working (and what isn't) for other people dealing with the same frustrating system!

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I'm new to this community but dealing with the exact same frustration! I'm in Jacksonville and have been trying to get through for weeks about my disability determination. It's really helpful reading everyone's strategies - I had no idea about the Wednesday afternoon timing or checking the online account first. Going to try both of those approaches before attempting another phone call. It's ridiculous that we all have to become experts in gaming the system just to access basic services, but I really appreciate everyone sharing what's actually working!

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I'm also new to this community and currently dealing with the same phone nightmare in Tallahassee! Been trying to reach SSA about updating my direct deposit information after switching banks, and it's been absolutely impossible. Reading through all these experiences really validates how broken the system is right now. I'm definitely going to try the Wednesday afternoon strategy around 1-2pm that several people have had success with. Also had no idea about checking my Social Security online account first - that could potentially save me from having to call at all for something like a direct deposit change. For anyone still struggling with this, it sounds like the key takeaways are: 1) Try Wednesday/Thursday afternoons instead of mornings, 2) Check your online account first to see if you can handle it there, 3) Have all your info ready before calling, and 4) Consider that third-party callback service if you're really desperate. Thanks to everyone for sharing their real experiences and actual strategies that work. It's frustrating we have to jump through so many hoops, but at least this gives me a better game plan than just repeatedly calling at random times!

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Thank you all for the helpful responses! I've learned so much. To summarize what I understand now: Since my sister was born after 1954, when her SSDI converts to retirement at 67, she has to choose either her own benefit OR 50% of her ex's (whichever is higher) - she can't do one then switch to the other. I'll help her set up a my Social Security account to see her projected benefit amount and then we'll try to figure out what her ex might be receiving to compare. I appreciate everyone taking the time to explain this complicated situation!

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One final tip - when her time comes to make this decision, have her schedule an appointment with SSA rather than just calling or walking in. An actual appointment gives her the best chance of speaking with someone knowledgeable about these complex scenarios involving SSDI conversion and divorced spouse benefits. And bring all documentation about the marriage and divorce to that appointment.

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Just wanted to add one more consideration that hasn't been mentioned yet - if your sister's ex-husband hasn't filed for his own benefits yet, she might still be able to claim divorced spouse benefits even if he's just eligible (age 62+). The rule is that if they've been divorced for at least 2 years, she can claim on his record even if he hasn't actually applied yet. This could be relevant depending on his age and filing status. Also, make sure she understands that claiming divorced spouse benefits won't affect what her ex receives - it's completely independent of his benefits. Good luck navigating all this!

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That's a really important point about the 2-year divorce rule! I hadn't heard about that before. So even if her ex hasn't filed yet, as long as he's 62 or older and they've been divorced for at least 2 years, she could still potentially claim on his record? That might open up more options for timing. And it's reassuring to know that whatever she does won't impact what he receives - I was worried there might be some awkward situation where claiming benefits on his record would somehow reduce what he gets. Thanks for adding that detail!

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I'm so sorry to hear about your wife's diagnosis - my heart goes out to your family during this incredibly difficult time. As someone new to this community, I've been reading through all the incredibly helpful responses here and wanted to share something that might be useful. When my neighbor went through a similar situation with her disabled son, she discovered that some SSA offices offer "appointment packages" specifically for survivor benefit cases where they handle multiple related tasks in one visit - reporting the death, applying for survivor benefits, updating representative payee information, and addressing any Medicare-related questions all at once. This can save you from having to make multiple trips during an already overwhelming time. Also, I'd suggest bringing a small notebook or phone to record any case numbers, reference numbers, or confirmation numbers they give you during the process. Having those numbers can be really helpful if you need to follow up or if there are any processing delays. The care and preparation you're showing for your son during this heartbreaking situation is truly admirable. From everything shared here, it sounds like you have a clear path forward and a supportive community to help guide you through this process.

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Thank you for mentioning the "appointment packages" - that sounds incredibly helpful and efficient. Having everything handled in one visit would definitely be less stressful than making multiple trips during what will already be such a difficult time. I'll specifically ask about that when I call to schedule an appointment. Your suggestion about bringing a notebook to record case numbers is really practical too. I can already imagine how easy it would be to forget important details when I'm dealing with grief and trying to process so much information at once. I'm so grateful for this community - everyone has been so thoughtful and thorough in sharing their experiences and advice. It's making something that felt completely overwhelming seem much more manageable. Thank you for taking the time to share these helpful suggestions.

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I'm so deeply sorry about your wife's diagnosis and what you're going through as a family. As a newcomer to this community, I've been reading through all these incredibly detailed and helpful responses, and I'm amazed by the knowledge and compassion everyone has shared. I wanted to add one small thing that might be helpful - when you do schedule your appointment with SSA, consider asking if they can provide you with a written checklist of everything you'll need to bring. Different offices sometimes have slightly different requirements, and having that checklist directly from them could save you from having to make a second trip if you're missing something. Also, I noticed several people mentioned the importance of getting everything in writing. You might want to ask SSA if they can email or mail you a summary of the conversation after your appointment, including the expected timeline for processing and the new benefit amount. Some offices do this automatically, but others will only provide it if you specifically request it. Your dedication to ensuring your son's care continues seamlessly during this transition shows what an incredible father you are. Sending you and your family strength and peace during this difficult journey.

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Thank you for this thoughtful suggestion about requesting a written checklist from SSA ahead of time. That's such a practical idea that could prevent a lot of unnecessary stress during an already difficult period. I'll definitely ask for that when I call to schedule the appointment. Your point about requesting a written summary after the meeting is also really valuable - I can see how having all the key details, timelines, and benefit amounts documented would be essential for my records and peace of mind. As someone new to this community, thank you for taking the time to read through everything and add such helpful advice. The support and detailed guidance from everyone here has been incredible during what initially felt like an impossible situation to navigate. I'm so grateful for this community.

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This is exactly what I needed to see! I'm 64 and turning 65 in a few months, planning to enroll in Medicare but delay SS until 70. I had no idea about this premium overlap issue or the 3-month advance payment requirement for direct Medicare billing. Reading through all these experiences, it sounds like keeping detailed records is absolutely critical - dates, amounts, confirmation numbers, everything. The 5-month refund timeline is good to know so I won't panic when it inevitably happens to me. It's also reassuring that the system automatically catches these overlaps, even if SSA processes everything at glacial speed. Thanks for sharing this - real experiences like yours are so much more valuable than trying to decode the official government documentation!

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You're absolutely right about keeping detailed records! I just went through Medicare enrollment myself and wish I had seen this thread earlier. One thing I'd add - when you're paying those Medicare premiums directly, make sure to save not just the payment confirmations but also screenshots of your Medicare.gov account showing your payment history. I learned the hard way that sometimes their online records don't perfectly match what you actually paid, especially if there are any premium adjustments during the year. Having multiple forms of documentation saved me when I had to verify a discrepancy. The advance payment thing is definitely a shock to the budget at first, but knowing it's temporary helps!

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This is incredibly helpful - thank you for sharing your experience! I'm currently 66 and just started receiving my Social Security benefits last month after delaying past my FRA. I've been paying Medicare premiums directly since I enrolled at 65, so I'm probably in line for a similar refund situation. Reading through all these comments, I'm realizing I should have been keeping better track of my premium payments. I can see from my bank statements that I've been paying, but I don't have all the confirmation details organized. One question - when you got the refund, was there any way to see a breakdown of exactly which months they were refunding you for? I'm trying to figure out how many months of overlap I might have so I can estimate what to expect. Also, did you have to report this refund as income for tax purposes, or is it just considered a return of your own overpayment? This thread has been a goldmine of practical information that you just can't find anywhere in the official documentation!

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Great questions! When I logged into my SSA account online after getting the refund, there was actually a detailed breakdown showing exactly which months they refunded me for. It showed something like "Medicare Premium Refund - February 2025, March 2025" with the specific premium amount for each month. Super helpful for understanding exactly what they calculated. As for taxes, this is considered a refund of your own overpayment, not income, so you don't need to report it. It's like getting a refund from any other overpayment - you're just getting back money that was already yours. For your records, you might be able to reconstruct some of the details by checking your Medicare.gov account - they usually show payment history going back quite a while. Even if you don't have perfect records, the SSA system seems pretty good at calculating the overlap correctly on their end.

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