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Just wanted to chime in as someone who recently navigated this whole process! For the W-4V form, definitely use your SSN on line 4 - that's exactly what they're looking for. One thing I'd recommend is double-checking what withholding percentage you want before you submit. I initially chose 10% thinking it would be plenty, but after talking to my tax preparer, we realized I needed to bump it up to 12% because of other retirement income. It's much easier to get it right the first time than to submit a new form later to change it. Also, regarding the appointment scheduling that someone mentioned - this varies by office! My local SSA office doesn't take appointments for routine paperwork like W-4V forms, so definitely call your specific office to ask about their policies. Some handle these as walk-ins only, others do appointments. Your husband's name change situation sounds very routine - as long as his SSN records are current with his legal name, you should be fine. SSA deals with childhood name changes all the time. Good luck with everything!

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Thanks for the insight about withholding percentages! You're absolutely right that it's better to get it right the first time. I was leaning toward 10% but now I'm thinking I should definitely consult with a tax professional first to make sure I'm not underestimating what we'll owe. And good point about calling my specific office about appointment policies - I shouldn't assume they all work the same way. I'll ask about both their appointment availability and their walk-in procedures when I call. Really appreciate all the practical advice from someone who's recently been through this!

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I went through this exact same process about 6 months ago and can definitely help clear up some confusion! For line 4 on the W-4V, your Social Security number is absolutely correct - that's the identification number they need. Don't overthink it. Regarding your husband's form, you're smart to wait until his approval comes through. I tried to submit my spouse's W-4V before their benefits were approved and the SSA office couldn't process it because there was no active benefit record in the system. Save yourself a trip and wait for that approval letter. For the name change situation, I really wouldn't stress about it. If your husband disclosed the name change on his application and SSA didn't immediately flag it for additional documentation, they likely have what they need in their records. Childhood name changes are pretty common and SSA has extensive historical records. That said, it's always wise to have those documents ready just in case - but don't proactively send them unless requested. One last tip: when you do go to submit your W-4V, consider calling your local office first to ask about their current wait times and whether they accept appointments for forms. Some offices are swamped while others move pretty quickly, and policies vary by location. Good luck with everything!

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Thank you so much for this detailed response! It's really reassuring to hear from someone who went through the exact same situation just 6 months ago. I feel much more confident now about using my SSN on line 4 and waiting for my husband's approval before submitting his form. Your point about calling ahead to check wait times and appointment policies is spot on - I'll definitely do that before making the trip. It sounds like we're on the right track with having the name change documents ready but not worrying unless SSA specifically asks. Really appreciate you taking the time to share all these practical insights!

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As someone who's 62 and just started researching this topic for my upcoming retirement next year, this entire discussion has been absolutely eye-opening! I had no idea there were potentially two different tests to consider - like everyone else here, I thought it was simply about staying under the annual earnings limit. What really stands out to me is how @Alicia Stern's year of successful real-world experience, combined with all the other positive outcomes shared here, creates such a clear roadmap. The pattern couldn't be more obvious: stay under the $23,400 earnings limit, genuinely scale back your business operations (not just manipulate income numbers), document everything meticulously, and get guidance through in-person appointments instead of playing "phone rep roulette." The key insight about SSA focusing on authentic retirement transitions versus people trying to game the system while continuing substantial business operations makes complete sense. They seem to care much more about whether you've truly reduced your involvement than just hitting financial targets. After reading about everyone's conflicting experiences with phone representatives, I'm definitely scheduling an in-person appointment at my local SSA office like @Ravi Kapoor, @Diego Vargas, and others recommended. The difference in knowledge between phone staff and field office representatives is concerning but really valuable to know about. I'm planning to implement the conservative tracking approach that's worked for everyone: simple spreadsheet documenting both earnings and hours, staying well under the annual limit, and authentically reducing my graphic design business rather than just creative accounting. Thank you all for sharing such detailed, practical experiences - this thread has been more helpful than any official SSA publication I've read! The real-world wisdom here is going to save me from so much potential confusion as I navigate this transition.

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As someone who's 64 and just starting to research early retirement with continued freelance work, this discussion has been absolutely invaluable! Like so many others here, I had no idea there were potentially two different tests to navigate - I was completely unaware of the hours rule beyond the annual earnings limit. What's really encouraging is seeing @Alicia Stern's year-plus of successful real-world experience and how it aligns perfectly with everyone else's positive outcomes. The pattern is crystal clear: stay under the $23,400 earnings limit, genuinely reduce your business involvement rather than just manipulating income, document everything thoroughly, and get reliable guidance through in-person appointments instead of the "phone rep lottery." The distinction between authentic retirement transitions versus trying to game the system while continuing substantial operations makes perfect sense. It sounds like SSA really focuses on whether you've truly scaled back your business activities, not just whether you can creatively account your way under the earnings threshold. After reading about all the conflicting phone rep experiences, I'm absolutely scheduling an in-person appointment like @Ravi Kapoor and @Diego Vargas recommended. The knowledge gap between phone staff and field office representatives is alarming but crucial to understand before making these important decisions. I'm implementing the conservative approach that's worked for everyone: tracking both earnings and hours in a simple spreadsheet (even though hours may not be strictly required), staying well under the annual limit, and authentically scaling back my copywriting business operations rather than just hitting financial targets. Thank you all for sharing such detailed real-world experiences - this thread provides more practical guidance than any official SSA resource I've found. The wisdom here is going to save me from enormous confusion and potential headaches!

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As a newcomer to this community, I just wanted to say how incredibly helpful and reassuring this entire discussion has been! I'm currently going through the exact same situation - I submitted my Social Security retirement application online from Washington state yesterday and this morning received notification that it's being processed by the Norfolk, Virginia office. Like literally everyone else who has shared their experience here, my immediate reaction was pure panic - I was absolutely convinced something had gone terribly wrong with my application or that there had been some major system malfunction. But reading through all these detailed real-world experiences from fellow community members has completely transformed my understanding and anxiety into genuine confidence about the process. The consistency of positive outcomes across such an incredible variety of state-to-state processing combinations is truly remarkable and very comforting. The former SSA employee's comprehensive explanation about workload sharing and distributed processing was particularly enlightening - it really helped me grasp that this is actually a sophisticated and intentional efficiency system designed to optimize processing times rather than a concerning error. I'm especially encouraged by the numerous reports of faster processing when applications are routed to offices with better capacity. Following the excellent practical advice shared throughout this thread, I've already set up my online account monitoring and text alerts, and I'm committed to being patient with the process rather than worrying unnecessarily. This community is absolutely invaluable for people navigating Social Security applications for the first time - thank you all for sharing your experiences so openly and creating such a supportive environment where newcomers can learn from real outcomes and feel confident about what initially seems like a very concerning situation!

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Welcome to the community, Natasha! Your Washington to Norfolk experience is such a wonderful addition to this amazing collection of stories we've all shared. It's incredible how you perfectly captured that "pure panic" feeling that seems to be the universal first reaction when we see our applications being processed thousands of miles away! Norfolk appears to be another major processing hub, just like all the other offices mentioned throughout this extensive discussion. What I find so remarkable about this thread is how it's become this comprehensive resource documenting positive outcomes from virtually every corner of the United States. Your detailed description of going from panic to genuine confidence really resonates with my own experience and I'm sure with so many others here. The former SSA employee's insights have clearly been a game-changer for understanding the "why" behind this system. I love that you've already taken the proactive steps with monitoring and alerts - the practical advice shared here is so valuable. It's wonderful to see how this community continues to help newcomers navigate what initially seems alarming but is actually a well-functioning system designed to serve us better. Thank you for adding your Washington state perspective to this incredible resource!

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As a newcomer to this community, I want to thank everyone for this incredibly informative and reassuring discussion! I just applied for my Social Security retirement benefits online from South Carolina this morning and received notification that my claim is being processed by the Minneapolis, Minnesota office. Like virtually everyone else here, my immediate reaction was complete confusion and worry - I thought there must have been some kind of error or system glitch since South Carolina and Minnesota seem so far apart! But after reading through all these detailed real-world experiences, I feel so much more confident about the entire process. It's amazing to see how consistent everyone's positive outcomes have been, regardless of which out-of-state office handled their applications. The former SSA employee's explanation about workload balancing was particularly helpful in understanding that this is actually an efficient system designed to improve processing times rather than cause problems. I'm especially encouraged by all the reports of faster processing with offices that have more available capacity. Following the excellent advice shared here, I've already set up my online account monitoring and text alerts, and I'm going to focus on being patient rather than anxious. This community is such a valuable resource for people going through this process for the first time - thank you all for sharing your stories and creating such a supportive environment!

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As a newcomer to this community, I have to say this discussion has been both incredibly helpful and quite concerning! I was planning to set up withholding soon and thought it would be straightforward, but this thread has revealed some serious inconsistencies in how SSA handles these calculations. The contradiction between the early responses saying withholding is calculated on gross benefits (before Medicare deductions) versus @Rick B's official SSA documentation showing it's calculated after Medicare deductions is really alarming. This isn't just a minor detail - it could mean a difference of hundreds of dollars in withholding over the course of a year. @Dana Mulvany's point about potential implementation errors in the online system is particularly troubling. If SSA's own automated withholding tool is calculating incorrectly, that could be affecting thousands of beneficiaries who trust the system to handle their taxes properly. Given all this uncertainty, I think I'll take the conservative approach several others have mentioned - start with a higher withholding percentage as a safety buffer, document everything meticulously, and manually verify which calculation method SSA actually uses on my first benefit statement. Once I know for certain how my specific case is being handled, I can adjust accordingly. It's frustrating that we as beneficiaries have to become our own quality control for basic federal procedures, but this discussion has made it clear that's exactly what's needed right now. Thank you all for sharing your real experiences - even the conflicting information has been invaluable for showing just how inconsistent this process can be!

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As a newcomer to this community, I'm incredibly grateful for this detailed discussion even though it's revealed some serious concerns about SSA's consistency! @McKenzie Shade, your conservative approach of starting with higher withholding and adjusting based on actual statements is exactly what I plan to do. The contradiction between @Rick B s'official SSA documentation showing withholding calculated after Medicare deductions versus the earlier experiences shared by others is really troubling. This could easily mean a difference of $100+ monthly for many beneficiaries - that s'not a trivial discrepancy! @Dana Mulvany s point'about potential implementation errors in the online system is what worries me most. If SSA s own'automated tools are calculating incorrectly, people could be getting improper withholding for months before they realize it during tax season. I love @Lucy Lam s suggestion about'creating a shared tracking system where people can report their actual benefit statement calculations. That kind of crowdsourced verification seems necessary given the inconsistencies we ve discovered here.'For my own situation, I ll definitely start'with a conservative withholding percentage, keep detailed records of everything I submit, and manually verify the calculation method on my first statement. It s frustrating that'we have to become our own auditors for federal procedures, but this thread has made it clear that s exactly what's needed right'now. Thank you all for such honest and thorough sharing of your experiences!

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As a newcomer to this community, this discussion has been absolutely invaluable even though it's revealed some deeply concerning inconsistencies! @McKenzie Shade, your conservative approach is spot-on - I'm planning the exact same strategy given all the contradictory information we've uncovered. The discrepancy between @Rick B s'official SSA documentation showing withholding calculated AFTER Medicare deductions versus multiple other members experiences' with it being calculated BEFORE is genuinely alarming. We re'talking about potentially $75-150+ monthly differences in withholding for many people! What concerns me most is @Dana Mulvany s observation'about possible implementation errors in the online system. If SSA s automated'withholding tool is miscalculating, that could be creating tax problems for thousands of beneficiaries who trust the system to handle this correctly. I think the idea of tracking real experiences once people start getting statements is brilliant. Maybe we should start a follow-up thread where members can share their actual benefit calculations to help everyone understand which method SSA is really using. For now, I ll submit'my W-4V with a higher percentage as a safety buffer, document everything meticulously, and verify the calculation myself once I receive my first statement. It s disappointing'that we have to audit federal procedures ourselves, but this thread has shown that s exactly'what s needed.'Thank you all for such transparent sharing - this peer knowledge is essential when government systems are this inconsistent!

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As a newcomer to this community, I have to say this discussion has been both incredibly helpful and quite alarming! I came here hoping to get straightforward guidance on Social Security withholding calculations before setting up my own, but instead I've discovered what appears to be a significant systematic problem with SSA's procedures. The fundamental contradiction between the early responses saying withholding is calculated on gross benefits (before Medicare deductions) versus @Rick B's official SSA documentation showing it's calculated after Medicare deductions is deeply concerning. This isn't just confusing advice - it represents a potential difference of hundreds of dollars annually in withholding amounts. @Dana Mulvany's insight about possible implementation errors in SSA's online withholding system is particularly troubling. If their automated tools are miscalculating, thousands of people could be getting improper tax withholding without realizing it until tax season. Given all this uncertainty, I think the conservative approach many have suggested makes perfect sense: 1. Start with a higher withholding percentage as a safety buffer 2. Document everything meticulously (forms submitted, dates, responses received) 3. Manually verify the calculation method on your first benefit statement 4. Report any discrepancies immediately to SSA It's frustrating that beneficiaries have to become their own quality control for basic federal tax procedures, but this thread has clearly shown that's exactly what's needed right now. The idea of tracking real experiences once people start receiving statements is excellent - we may need to crowdsource verification of SSA's actual practices. Thank you all for sharing your real-world experiences so transparently. This kind of peer knowledge sharing is invaluable when dealing with inconsistent government systems!

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As a newcomer to this community, I'm really grateful for this incredibly comprehensive discussion! @Victoria Scott, you've summarized the situation perfectly - what started as a simple question has revealed some serious systematic issues with SSA's withholding procedures. The contradiction between @Rick B s'official SSA documentation showing withholding calculated after Medicare deductions versus everyone else s'experience is exactly why I ve'been hesitant to start my own withholding. That potential difference of hundreds of dollars annually isn t'something any of us can afford to get wrong! @Dana Mulvany s point'about implementation errors in the online system is what worries me most as someone who was planning to use that platform. If SSA s own'automated tools can t be'trusted to calculate correctly, how can we have confidence in any of their digital services? Your four-step action plan is exactly what I m going'to follow - start conservative, document everything, verify manually, and report discrepancies. The idea of creating a follow-up thread where people can share their actual benefit statement calculations is brilliant. We really do need to crowdsource verification of what SSA is actually doing versus what they claim to do. It s disappointing'that we have to become our own auditors for federal tax procedures, but this discussion has shown that peer knowledge sharing is absolutely essential when government systems are this inconsistent. Thank you all for being so transparent about these problems - it s been'invaluable preparation for someone just starting this process!

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I'm turning 70 in May 2025 and this entire thread has been incredibly helpful! It's so reassuring to read about everyone's real experiences with the application process and timing. One thing I wanted to add that I learned from my local AARP office - they mentioned that it's worth double-checking that your Medicare Part B enrollment is properly coordinated with your Social Security application. Since I've been on Medicare for a few years already but paying premiums separately, I want to make sure the transition to having premiums deducted from my SS payments goes smoothly. Also, for anyone else in our situation who's been living off savings while waiting until 70, don't forget to factor in how this new guaranteed income might affect your overall withdrawal strategy from other retirement accounts. I've been working with my financial planner to potentially reduce some 401k withdrawals once my maximized Social Security kicks in, which could help with tax management. The patience has definitely been worth it - seeing that 132% of full retirement age benefit amount is going to make such a difference in our financial security. Thanks to everyone for sharing such detailed and helpful experiences!

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This is such a great point about Medicare coordination! I hadn't really thought about how the transition from paying Medicare premiums separately to having them deducted from Social Security might work. Since I've also been paying my Part B premiums directly, I'll definitely want to make sure that gets set up properly during the application process to avoid any billing confusion. Your comment about adjusting 401k withdrawal strategy once Social Security starts is really smart too. With that maximized benefit amount coming in, it opens up a lot more flexibility for tax planning and managing other retirement account distributions. I should definitely discuss this with my financial advisor - potentially being able to reduce taxable withdrawals from traditional retirement accounts could help manage my overall tax bracket. It's incredible how much coordination goes into optimizing retirement income streams! Thanks for bringing up these important planning considerations that go beyond just the Social Security application itself. This thread has been such a wealth of practical advice from people who are actually navigating these decisions in real time.

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This has been such an incredibly thorough and helpful discussion! As someone who's also turning 70 this year (September 2025), I've learned so much from everyone's real experiences. One additional consideration I wanted to mention - since we're all planning to apply in the March-May timeframe, it might be worth checking if there are any upcoming changes to Social Security policies or procedures that could affect our applications. I know there's always talk in Congress about various Social Security reforms, though most wouldn't affect current beneficiaries. Also, for those of us who have been very disciplined about waiting until 70, don't forget to celebrate this milestone! We've essentially given ourselves a guaranteed 24-32% raise (depending on our full retirement age) by waiting. In today's uncertain financial markets, that kind of guaranteed return is incredibly valuable. I'm planning to apply in April 2025 and am feeling much more confident about the process after reading everyone's experiences here. The timeline is crystal clear now - apply 3-4 months early, turn 70, then get that first maximized payment the following month. Thanks to this community for sharing such valuable real-world insights!

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You're absolutely right about celebrating this milestone! It takes real discipline to wait until 70, especially when you see friends and family starting their benefits earlier. That guaranteed 24-32% increase really is incredible when you think about it - there's literally no other investment that can offer that kind of risk-free return. Your point about checking for any policy changes is smart too, though like you said, most proposed reforms typically protect current beneficiaries. It's still worth staying informed just to be prepared. Reading through this entire thread has been so educational and reassuring. It's amazing how much collective wisdom there is here from people who've actually been through the process. We're all so close to the finish line now - just a few more months of patience and then we'll be reaping the rewards of all those years of careful planning! Best of luck with your April application. It sounds like we'll all be celebrating our first maximized payments around the same timeframe later this year. What an achievement!

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