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I'm so glad to see this thread - it really highlights how confusing the Social Security system can be! As someone who's navigated similar benefit coordination issues, I wanted to add that it's also worth asking SSA about any potential earnings limits if you're still working while receiving widow benefits before your full retirement age. The annual earnings test can reduce benefits if you earn over certain thresholds ($23,400 for 2024), but this wouldn't affect your daughter's SSDI payments at all. Just another factor to consider in your decision-making process. Also, make sure to ask about Medicare eligibility timing when you speak with them - sometimes there are coordination benefits there too that people don't realize they can take advantage of.

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That's a really important point about the earnings test! I'm actually still working part-time, so I'll definitely need to ask about those thresholds when I call. I had no idea that could affect my widow benefits but not my daughter's SSDI - it's yet another example of how these programs have their own separate rules. The Medicare timing question is also something I hadn't considered. Thank you for bringing that up! It seems like there are so many interconnected pieces to think about. I'm making a list of all these questions to ask when I speak with SSA.

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This is such a helpful thread! I'm in a similar situation but my disabled son is only 22 and gets childhood disability benefits. Reading through all these responses has really helped me understand that different types of Social Security benefits have their own rules and calculations. I especially appreciate everyone mentioning the importance of getting agent names and asking for documentation in your file - I've had the same experience with getting different answers from different representatives. It's so frustrating when you're trying to do the right thing for your family! One thing I'd add is that if you do decide to apply, consider asking SSA about retroactive benefits too. Sometimes there can be back payments available depending on when you became eligible versus when you actually apply. Just another detail to explore when you speak with them. Good luck with your decision - it sounds like you're being very thoughtful about protecting your daughter's benefits while also taking care of your own needs.

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Just wanted to add one more reassuring data point - I'm currently 69 and collecting survivor benefits while working part-time at a local library. I earn about $35,000 a year and there's absolutely no reduction in my benefits. The freedom after FRA is real! Also, regarding your career change plans - I made a similar transition from high-stress work (banking) to something more peaceful at age 68. The mental health benefits have been incredible. Garden centers and bookstores sound lovely! You've got so many great options once you hit FRA next year.

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Thank you so much for sharing your real-world example! It's incredibly reassuring to hear from someone who's actually doing what I'm hoping to do. $35,000 with no benefit reduction is exactly the kind of confirmation I needed. Your transition from banking to library work sounds wonderful - I can definitely relate to needing that mental health break from high-stress work. Looking forward to exploring those garden center and bookstore opportunities next year!

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I'm so glad to see this question being asked! As someone who recently went through this same confusion, I want to emphasize what everyone else has confirmed - there is absolutely NO earnings limit after Full Retirement Age for survivor benefits. I was in a similar boat last year, worried about transitioning from my stressful career while on survivor benefits. The SSA representatives I spoke with were very clear: once you hit FRA, you can earn any amount without affecting your survivor benefits. The only consideration is potential taxation of those benefits if your combined income exceeds certain thresholds, but that's completely separate from benefit reduction. Your plan to transition to something less stressful like a garden center or bookstore sounds wonderful. I made a similar change and the peace of mind has been incredible. You're so close to that FRA date in June 2026 - hang in there! The financial freedom that comes with no earnings restrictions will give you so many more options for your next chapter.

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My friend works for SS (not giving advice just sharing what I know) - definitely call the main number not your local office. The national line has access to more info. And keep calling until you get someone helpful cuz some reps are way better than others honestly

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This is so true! I called SS four times about my retirement and got four completely different answers until finally someone actually knew what they were talking about!

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Just checking back - were you able to get through to someone who could help? The situation with multiple families definitely complicates things, but 4 months is still excessive for not even having an update.

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Yes! I used that Claimyr service you recommended and actually got through to a claims specialist after only 20 minutes instead of the usual 2+ hour wait. They confirmed they're waiting on the current wife's paperwork, but the specialist submitted a request for provisional payments for my son since it's been over 120 days. They said we should receive the first payment (including backpay) within 2-3 weeks! Thank you so much for your help!

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You're understanding the situation correctly now. To summarize where things stand for you: 1. Your SS retirement benefit will be calculated using only your retail job earnings where you paid SS taxes 2. The benefit will now use the regular formula (no WEP reduction) 3. For spousal benefits: If 2/3 of your teacher pension ($3,200 × 2/3 = $2,133) exceeds 50% of your husband's benefit ($950 × 0.5 = $475), then yes, the GPO would eliminate any spousal benefits When you apply in March 2025, I recommend bringing documentation of both your covered and non-covered work to your appointment, as some SSA representatives are still getting familiar with how to properly implement the WEP elimination correctly.

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Thank you so much for this clear explanation. I'll definitely bring all my documentation with me. Is there a specific form I should request or ask about to make sure they process my application without applying the old WEP formula?

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There's no specific form to request regarding WEP elimination. The change in law should be automatically applied to your benefit calculation. However, it's always good to specifically mention to the representative that you understand the Windfall Elimination Provision has been eliminated and you want to make sure your benefit is calculated using the standard formula. If you create a my Social Security account at ssa.gov, you can check your earnings record to ensure all your covered employment (the retail job) is properly recorded before your appointment. This can prevent delays in processing your application.

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just wanted to add that when i applied they were super confused about the WEP change at first! so definitely be prepared to kindly remind them about it. my sister had to talk to 3 different people before finding someone who knew how to handle it right

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That's really helpful advice about checking my earnings record online first! I just created my account and can see all my retail job earnings are properly recorded. It's reassuring to know the WEP elimination should be automatic, but I'll definitely mention it explicitly when I apply. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences - this has been so much more helpful than what I got from my financial advisor!

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I've been through this exact situation! A few additional tips that helped me: 1) When you call SSA, ask specifically for the "overpayment unit" - they handle these cases daily and are more knowledgeable than general customer service. 2) If you have any medical expenses or prescriptions, make sure to include those in your hardship documentation - they carry significant weight. 3) Keep copies of EVERYTHING you submit and get confirmation numbers. 4) Don't be discouraged if your first request gets denied - you can appeal and often get a better outcome on the second try. The stress is overwhelming, but you have legitimate options. Focus on getting that SSA-634 form filed with detailed expense documentation, and remember that $10/month (or even lower) repayment plans are definitely possible in genuine hardship cases.

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This is incredibly helpful advice, especially about asking for the overpayment unit specifically! I've been getting transferred around to different departments when I call. Your point about medical expenses is important too - I do have prescription costs that eat up a big chunk of my budget each month. Thank you for taking the time to share such detailed guidance. It really helps to know that others have successfully navigated this process, even if it takes persistence.

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I work as a benefits counselor and deal with SSA overpayment cases regularly. Here's what you need to know: The absolute minimum they can typically accept is $10/month, but in exceptional hardship cases, they have discretion to go as low as $1-5/month. The key is proving genuine hardship through detailed documentation. File both forms - SSA-632 (waiver request) first, then SSA-634 (reduced payment) as backup. Include EVERYTHING in your expense documentation: utilities, food, medications, transportation, insurance, even small recurring expenses. The more detailed your financial picture, the stronger your case. Also, if you're denied initially, don't give up - request a reconsideration and consider asking for a face-to-face meeting at your local office where you can present your case in person. Good luck!

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