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As a newcomer to this community, I want to say how incredibly helpful this entire discussion has been! I'm 59 and facing a very similar situation - I've been receiving survivor benefits for 18 months and recently got engaged. Before finding this thread, I was completely unaware of the age 60 rule and was planning our wedding for this spring. Now I realize I need to wait just a few more months to protect my financial security. What strikes me most is how this critical information isn't more widely known. My friends who gave me conflicting advice clearly didn't understand the nuances, and I wonder how many people make costly mistakes simply because they don't know about resources like this community. I'm especially grateful for the practical tips shared here - the early morning SSA calling strategy, keeping detailed records, getting everything in writing, and the spreadsheet approach for comparing scenarios. These are exactly the kind of real-world insights you can't get from reading dry government websites. One thing I'm curious about that I haven't seen mentioned - does anyone know if there are any tax implications to consider when switching between survivor and spousal benefits? I imagine the amounts might be different enough to potentially affect tax brackets, but I'm not sure if the benefits are taxed the same way regardless of type. Thank you all for creating such a supportive and informative space for navigating these complex decisions!
Welcome to the community, Nadia! You're absolutely right that this critical information isn't widely known - it's almost shocking how many people stumble into costly mistakes simply because the rules aren't clearly communicated. I'm so glad you found this thread before making your decision! Regarding your tax question, that's a really smart consideration. Social Security benefits (whether survivor or spousal) are generally taxed the same way - it depends on your total "combined income" which includes your adjusted gross income, non-taxable interest, and half of your Social Security benefits. If your combined income exceeds certain thresholds ($25,000 for single filers, $32,000 for married filing jointly), then up to 50-85% of your benefits become taxable. The key thing to watch for is if switching from survivor to spousal benefits results in a significantly different benefit amount, it could potentially push you into or out of those tax thresholds. Also, once you remarry, you'll likely be filing jointly, which changes the tax calculation entirely since you'll be combining both spouses' incomes. I'd definitely recommend consulting with a tax professional in addition to getting the SSA calculations - they can help you model different scenarios. This is yet another reason why the age 60 rule is so valuable - it gives you time to plan not just the Social Security aspects, but all the related financial implications of remarriage!
As someone who works with Social Security beneficiaries regularly, I want to emphasize how important it is to get personalized advice for your specific situation. While the general rule about age 60 and remarriage is well-established, there can be nuances based on your exact benefit amounts, ages, and circumstances. One thing I'd add that hasn't been mentioned much is the potential impact on Medicare premiums (IRMAA) if your new household income is significantly higher after marriage. High earners pay income-related monthly adjustment amounts for Medicare Part B and Part D, and this is based on modified adjusted gross income from two years prior. So even if your Social Security benefits aren't affected, your Medicare costs could change. Also, for anyone reading this thread in the future - these rules can and do change with new legislation, so always verify current rules with SSA directly. What's accurate today might not be in a few years. The Social Security 2100 Act and other proposed reforms could potentially modify some of these remarriage provisions. I really appreciate how supportive this community is in helping people navigate these complex decisions. The real-world experiences shared here are invaluable for folks facing these difficult choices between love and financial security.
Thank you for bringing up the Medicare IRMAA implications - that's such an important point that often gets overlooked! I hadn't even considered how combining household incomes after remarriage could affect Medicare premiums, especially since those calculations are based on income from two years prior. That could definitely be a nasty surprise down the road if you're not planning for it. Your point about legislative changes is also crucial. It's a good reminder that while we can share experiences and current understanding, the rules could evolve. I've bookmarked the SSA website to check for updates, especially with all the Social Security reform discussions happening. As a newcomer to this community, I'm really impressed by how knowledgeable and helpful everyone is. The combination of personal experiences and professional insights like yours creates such a valuable resource for people navigating these life-changing decisions. It really does help knowing there are people who understand how overwhelming it can be to balance financial security with major life choices like remarriage.
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I'm in a very similar boat as many of you - I'm 64 and have been receiving survivor benefits from my late husband for the past 3 years. I recently started dating someone who's 66 and gets benefits based on his ex-wife's record. We've been talking about marriage but keep putting it off because of all the uncertainty around Social Security. After reading through this entire thread, I think I have a better understanding now. It sounds like I could potentially keep my survivor benefits since I'm close to the age 60 threshold, but my boyfriend would definitely lose his ex-spouse benefits. The suggestion about getting a comprehensive financial analysis from a Social Security specialist really resonates with me - I hadn't thought about looking at taxes, shared living costs, and the long-term picture. Has anyone here used a specific financial advisor or Social Security specialist they'd recommend? I'd love to get a professional analysis before we make any decisions. It's frustrating that the system makes us choose between financial security and marriage, but at least understanding all our options will help us make an informed choice.
I don't have a specific advisor to recommend, but I'd suggest looking for a fee-only financial planner who has credentials in Social Security planning (like an RSSA - Registered Social Security Analyst). You can search for them through the National Association of Personal Financial Advisors (NAPFA) website. Many of these specialists offer one-time consultations specifically for Social Security optimization, which sounds like exactly what you need. I'd also recommend calling your local Area Agency on Aging - they sometimes offer free or low-cost financial counseling services for seniors, and they're familiar with these exact situations since so many older adults face this dilemma.
I'm so grateful to have found this thread! I'm 69 and have been receiving survivor benefits from my late husband for 4 years now. I recently reconnected with an old friend who's 71 and receives benefits based on his ex-wife's record (they were married for 15 years). We've been discussing marriage but were completely confused about the Social Security implications. Reading through everyone's experiences has been eye-opening. It sounds like I should be able to keep my survivor benefits since I'm well over 60, but he would lose his ex-spouse benefits. The advice about consulting with a Social Security specialist is invaluable - I never considered looking at the complete financial picture including taxes, shared expenses, and Medicare costs. I'm definitely going to look into finding an RSSA certified planner as someone suggested. It's heartbreaking that the system forces seniors to choose between love and financial security, but at least now I feel like we can make an informed decision. Thank you all for sharing your stories and advice - it means more than you know when you're facing such a difficult choice!
I'm new to this community but wanted to chime in because my grandparents went through something very similar a few years ago. They were both in their early 70s and facing the exact same dilemma - my grandfather was getting survivor benefits and my step-grandmother was receiving ex-spouse benefits. What really helped them was actually visiting their local SSA office in person rather than trying to handle everything over the phone. The representative was able to pull up both of their records and run scenarios showing exactly what would happen to their benefits if they married. They also got information about potential spousal benefits they might be eligible for on each other's records. In their case, they discovered that while she would lose her ex-spouse benefits, my grandfather could actually claim a higher spousal benefit based on her work record than what he was getting as a survivor. It didn't completely offset the loss, but it made the decision much easier. I'd definitely recommend the in-person visit if you can manage it - the agents seem to have more time and patience to walk through complex situations like yours. Wishing you both the best as you navigate this decision!
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One thing to keep in mind is that the earnings limit applies to the year you're under Full Retirement Age, not just when you start collecting benefits. So if you turn 63 in the middle of 2025, the full year's earnings count toward that $22,750 limit. Also, if you do go over, SSA typically sends you a letter asking you to estimate your expected earnings for the year so they can adjust your monthly payments accordingly rather than creating a big overpayment situation. It's much better to be proactive about this!
This is really helpful - I didn't realize the full year's earnings count even if I only start collecting benefits partway through! Being proactive about contacting SSA if I'm going to go over sounds much better than dealing with surprise overpayments later. Thanks for the clarification on how they handle adjusting payments.
Just want to add another important detail - if you're self-employed or have 1099 income, the earnings limit applies to your NET self-employment income (after business expenses), not gross like it is for W-2 wages. So if you do any freelance or consulting work alongside your part-time job, make sure you're calculating that portion correctly! I made this mistake my first year and had to scramble to figure out my actual countable earnings.
Wow, that's a really important distinction I hadn't considered! So for W-2 wages it's gross income, but for self-employment it's net after business expenses? That seems like it could get pretty complicated to track, especially if someone has both types of income like you mentioned. Do you know if there are any good resources or worksheets that help calculate the correct amounts when you have mixed income sources?
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Social Security specialist here. There's some confusion in some of these responses. Let me clarify: 1. WEP affects your own retirement benefits if you have a pension from non-covered work. 2. GPO affects spousal or survivor benefits if you have a pension from non-covered work. In your case, since your husband has a teacher's pension from work not covered by Social Security AND only has 20 years of substantial earnings under Social Security, he: - Already sees his own SS retirement benefit reduced by WEP - Would likely have any survivor benefits from your record reduced by GPO The GPO reduction is 2/3 of his gross monthly pension. So if his teacher's pension is $3,200, the GPO reduction would be about $2,133. If your SS benefit is $2,650, after the GPO reduction, he would receive about $517 in survivor benefits. Here's the official SSA fact sheet on GPO: https://www.ssa.gov/pubs/EN-05-10007.pdf
Thank you for breaking this down so clearly. This helps me understand what we're actually looking at. So he would still get SOMETHING from my record, just not the full amount. And the calculation is basically: My benefit ($2,650) - 2/3 of his pension ($2,133) = His survivor benefit ($517) That's not as bad as I feared, but still a huge reduction. Is there any way to plan for this or reduce the impact?
You've got the calculation exactly right. As for mitigating the impact, options are limited but here are a few considerations: 1. If your husband could accumulate 30 years of substantial earnings under Social Security (rather than 20), he would be fully exempt from WEP on his own benefit, but GPO would still apply to survivor benefits. 2. Life insurance might be worth considering in your situation to provide additional financial protection. 3. Some states have considered or implemented programs to help offset these reductions for public employees, though these are rare. 4. There are periodic congressional efforts to reform or eliminate WEP/GPO, but nothing has passed yet despite decades of attempts. 5. Get an official calculation from SSA so you know exactly what to expect for financial planning.
I'm going through something similar with my own family planning. My wife is a retired teacher with a state pension, and we've been trying to understand these rules for months. One thing that might help is to request a detailed benefit estimate from SSA that shows exactly how WEP and GPO would affect your specific situation. You can do this online through your my Social Security account or by calling them directly. Also, I've heard that some financial planners who specialize in public employee benefits can help you model different scenarios and plan accordingly. Given that your husband would still receive around $517 in survivor benefits (based on the calculation above), plus his teacher's pension, it might not be as dire as it first seemed. The key is getting the official numbers from SSA so you can plan with certainty rather than estimates. Have you considered reaching out to your husband's teacher retirement system too? They sometimes have resources or counselors who understand how their pensions interact with Social Security benefits.
This is really helpful advice! I hadn't thought about contacting his teacher retirement system - that's a great idea. They probably deal with these WEP/GPO questions all the time and might have resources I don't know about. The online benefit estimate through my Social Security account sounds like the best first step. At least then we'll have official numbers instead of trying to guess. And you're right that $517 plus his pension isn't as catastrophic as I was imagining when I first started worrying about this. Do you know if those financial planners who specialize in public employee benefits are expensive? We're on a pretty tight budget, but if it helps us plan better for the future, it might be worth the investment.
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I don't think I can pay back everything! Ugh, I should have researched more before filing. I just assumed taking it at 62 was best because I needed the money then. Nobody told me about all these exceptions and special rules!
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Romeo Quest
This is such valuable information! As someone new to navigating Social Security, I had no idea about the RIB/LIM rule. It's incredible that you were able to increase your monthly benefit by $1,250 just by knowing to ask about this specific provision. I'm wondering - for those of us who might face similar situations in the future, are there any resources you'd recommend for learning about these lesser-known rules? It sounds like even the SSA agents aren't always familiar with them, so it seems like we need to educate ourselves to be effective advocates. Also, congratulations on your successful claim! It must be such a relief to have that financial security, especially during what I'm sure is already a difficult time dealing with your loss.
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•Great question about resources! From what I've learned lurking here and from my own research, a few suggestions: The SSA's Program Operations Manual System (POMS) is publicly available online and contains the actual rules agents use - it's dense but searchable. The National Academy of Social Insurance has some good publications too. Also, this community has been invaluable - people share real experiences with these complex situations that you won't find in official guides. I'd also suggest keeping notes about your work history, marriage dates, and benefit estimates in one place so you're prepared when life changes happen. It's unfortunate we have to become our own experts, but stories like @06f533382889's show it can literally pay off in thousands of dollars!
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