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I'm currently in the middle of this exact process and this thread has been a lifesaver! After reading everyone's experiences, I called my local SSA office this morning around 10 AM and finally got through to a real person. The representative told me that while their official policy requires certified copies, they do accept clear faxed copies to initiate the application, but they reserve the right to request certified copies later if needed. She gave me her direct extension and said to call her back after faxing to confirm receipt. I'm planning to fax my documents tomorrow and then follow up as suggested. It's reassuring to see that so many people have successfully navigated this process, even with all the inconsistencies. For anyone still struggling to get through to their local office, I found that pressing "0" repeatedly during the automated menu eventually connected me to a live person instead of getting stuck in the phone tree. Fingers crossed my experience goes as smoothly as some of the success stories shared here!

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That's great that you got through and found a helpful representative! The tip about pressing "0" repeatedly is really useful - I've been getting stuck in those automated phone trees for days. It sounds like you have a solid plan with getting her direct extension and following up after faxing. Based on what I've read in this thread, having that one consistent contact person seems to make all the difference. I'm curious how your fax submission goes tomorrow - would you mind updating us on whether they accept your documents? I'm planning to start my own spousal benefits application next week and your experience could really help guide my approach. Good luck with everything!

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Based on everyone's experiences here, it's clear that SSA policies vary significantly between offices and even between representatives at the same office. I'm planning to apply for spousal benefits myself and this thread has been incredibly helpful in understanding what to expect. It seems like the safest approach is to prepare for both scenarios - have high-quality copies ready to fax if your local office accepts them, but also be prepared to mail certified copies if needed. The consistent advice about calling your local office directly (not the 1-800 number) during mid-morning hours and getting a specific representative's name and extension seems crucial. I'm also going to follow the suggestion about getting any policy confirmations in writing via email to avoid the runaround that several people experienced. Thanks to everyone who shared their real experiences - both the successes and the frustrations. It's unfortunate that something this important has so much variability in how it's handled, but at least now I know what questions to ask and what documentation to prepare!

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so confused lol. why would SSA let us do this? seems like theyd have to pay out more money this way

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It's just how the law is written. When Congress amended the Social Security rules in 2015, they specifically preserved this option for survivor benefits while eliminating similar strategies for spousal benefits. The survivor strategy remains because it helps people (mostly women) who might otherwise face financial hardship after losing a spouse. Remember that survivor benefits are paid from the same overall Social Security trust fund, so it's not really "extra" money - it's just allowing more flexible timing for when you claim different types of benefits you're entitled to.

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This is such valuable information! I had no idea this option existed for divorced surviving spouses. I'm 58 and my ex-husband passed away two years ago after we were married for 12 years. I've been dreading the thought of claiming early and getting reduced benefits, but it sounds like I could potentially claim survivor benefits at 60 and then switch to my own higher benefit at 70. Does anyone know if there are any earnings restrictions while collecting survivor benefits? I'm still working full-time and won't be ready to fully retire for several more years.

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Yes, there are earnings restrictions for survivor benefits before you reach full retirement age, just like with regular retirement benefits. For 2025, if you're under FRA, you can earn up to $23,400 per year without any reduction in benefits. If you earn more than that, they'll reduce your survivor benefits by $1 for every $2 you earn above the limit. In the year you reach FRA, the limit is higher and the reduction is less ($1 for every $3 over the higher threshold), and once you reach FRA, there's no earnings limit at all. Since you're 58 now, you'd need to consider this if you claim survivor benefits at 60 while still working full-time.

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jsut be careful with those casino winnings cause they might make your SS benefits taxable if you win too much. happened to my brother last year and he was shocked when he had to pay taxes on his SS

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That's a good point about taxation. Up to 85% of your Social Security benefits can become taxable if your combined income (adjusted gross income + nontaxable interest + half of your Social Security benefits) exceeds certain thresholds. For individuals, benefits start becoming taxable when combined income exceeds $25,000, and more so above $34,000. This doesn't affect your actual benefit amount - you'll still get the same monthly payment. It just means some portion might be subject to income tax.

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I just went through this process last month! For 2024 income, I put "estimated" and entered my best guess. The online system accepted it without any issues. One tip: have all your documents ready before you start the online application. The system times out after a while, and you might lose your progress if you have to go hunting for information mid-application. I learned this the hard way!

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Great tip about having documents ready! What documents did you end up needing besides tax returns? I have my birth certificate and driver's license ready, but wondering if there's anything else I should gather before starting.

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For the online application, you'll mainly need your Social Security number, birth certificate, and tax returns for the past 2-3 years. If you have a spouse, you might need their information too. Bank account details for direct deposit are helpful to have ready as well. The application will guide you through exactly what's needed, but having your tax returns organized definitely speeds things up!

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This is such an important topic to plan ahead for. I went through something similar with my husband a few years ago. One thing I'd add that hasn't been mentioned much is the importance of understanding how survivor benefits work if your wife has her own Social Security record too. Since she's currently working and contributing to Social Security, she'll have her own benefit calculation when she reaches retirement age. The strategy many widows use is called "restrict and switch" - she could potentially claim the survivor benefit first (either at 60 with reduction or later at full amount), then switch to her own retirement benefit at 70 if it would be higher due to delayed retirement credits. Also, regarding that gap period before she turns 60 - I'd strongly recommend looking into increasing any life insurance you have specifically to cover those missing months of income. When my husband passed, I was 57 and that 3-year gap was financially devastating even though we thought we were prepared. The combination of funeral expenses, reduced household income, and having to wait for any Social Security help was overwhelming. One last tip: have her start tracking all of her work earnings and Social Security statements now. When the time comes to apply, having organized records of both your earnings histories will make the process much smoother.

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This is incredibly helpful information about the "restrict and switch" strategy - I hadn't heard of that option before! It sounds like it could potentially maximize her benefits if her own Social Security record ends up being substantial by the time she reaches 70. Given that she's currently earning $34k annually and still has 8 years left before she turns 67, her own benefit could indeed grow significantly. Your point about increasing life insurance specifically for that gap period really resonates with me. We have some coverage, but I'm realizing it may not be adequate to replace the missing Social Security income for potentially 3+ years. I'm going to get quotes this week for additional term coverage to bridge that gap. The advice about tracking earnings and Social Security statements is also excellent - I'll help her set up a my Social Security account so we can monitor her projected benefits and make sure all her earnings are being recorded correctly. Having everything organized ahead of time will definitely reduce stress during what will already be a difficult period. Thank you for sharing your experience and these practical strategies. It's giving me a much clearer picture of how to properly prepare for this situation.

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I'm so glad you're thinking ahead about this - it shows how much you care about your wife's financial security. From reading everyone's experiences here, it's clear that the gap period between your passing and when she turns 60 is really the biggest challenge to prepare for. One thing I'd suggest is also looking into whether your wife might qualify for any pension survivor benefits through your work history, if you have any. Sometimes people focus so much on Social Security that they forget about other potential sources of survivor income. Also, since she's still working and building her own Social Security record, you might want to run some calculations to see what her own benefit would be at different claiming ages versus the survivor benefit. The my Social Security website has calculators that can help with this. Sometimes the math works out better to claim her own reduced benefit at 62 and then switch to survivor benefits later, depending on the amounts involved. The document preparation advice everyone's given is spot on. I'd also add that you should make sure she knows where all your important financial accounts are located and has access to them. When grief hits, even simple tasks become overwhelming, so having everything clearly organized and accessible will be a huge help.

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This is all such valuable information, thank you everyone for sharing your experiences and advice. As someone new to this community, I'm really impressed by how supportive and knowledgeable everyone is here. I'm actually in a similar situation - my husband is 72 and I'm 58, so I'm trying to learn as much as I can about what to expect. The point about pension survivor benefits is really important and something I hadn't considered. My husband has a small pension from his previous employer that I should probably look into. And the suggestion about running calculations comparing my own benefit versus survivor benefits at different ages is something I definitely need to do. One question for those who have been through this - did you find it helpful to meet with a financial advisor or Social Security specialist before the need arose? I'm wondering if getting professional guidance now while we have time to plan might be worth the investment, especially given all the different strategies and timing considerations involved.

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I'm so sorry for your loss, Connor. You're asking really smart questions about planning ahead. Just wanted to add one more consideration that might be helpful as you think about your timeline: if you're still working and earning income, there's an earnings test that applies to survivor benefits claimed before your full retirement age. If you claim survivor benefits at 60 but are still working, you might have benefits reduced if you earn over the annual limit (around $22,320 for 2024). This is temporary though - any benefits withheld due to earnings get added back to your benefit amount once you reach full retirement age. This might factor into your decision about when to claim, especially if you plan to keep working. The good news is you have 8 years to plan this out and see how your financial situation evolves. Your kids will be 16 and 19 by then, so your expenses and needs may be quite different.

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This is such an important point about the earnings test that I hadn't considered! Since I'm still working and plan to continue, this could definitely impact my claiming strategy. It's good to know those withheld benefits get added back later though - I wasn't aware of that provision. Having 8 years to plan does feel reassuring, and you're right that my situation will likely look very different by then. Thank you for adding this perspective!

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I'm truly sorry for your loss, Connor. You're being so thoughtful in planning ahead for your family's financial security. I wanted to add something that might help with your long-term planning: since you're 52 now, you have time to potentially maximize your own Social Security benefit by continuing to work. Social Security calculates your benefit based on your highest 35 years of earnings, so if you're currently earning more than you did in some earlier years, those additional work years could replace lower-earning years in your calculation. This is especially relevant given the claiming strategies others mentioned. If you can build up your own benefit significantly over the next 10-15 years, you might be able to claim a reduced survivor benefit at 60, then switch to your own (potentially higher) benefit at your full retirement age of 67. Also, don't forget that both benefits will receive annual cost-of-living adjustments, so even though your husband's benefit won't "grow" in the traditional sense, it will keep pace with inflation. You're asking all the right questions and planning well ahead. Consider meeting with a fee-only financial planner who specializes in Social Security strategies when you get closer to 60 - they can run detailed scenarios to help you optimize your claiming strategy.

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