One more important point: make sure you're clear about which type of benefits your son receives. You mentioned DAC (Disabled Adult Child) benefits from his mother's record, which are Title II benefits (sometimes called SSDI). These are different from SSI (Supplemental Security Income), which has much stricter income and resource limits. For DAC benefits, the primary concern is whether he's engaging in Substantial Gainful Activity (SGA). Since he's not earning income from this activity, it's unlikely to affect his benefits, but as others have mentioned, documenting everything and potentially reporting it is a good idea for transparency. I've helped many families navigate these waters, and in your situation, I recommend: 1. Keep detailed records of all sales, expenses, and donations 2. Consider sending a letter to your local SSA office describing the activity 3. Focus on the therapeutic/social aspects of the activity in your documentation 4. Keep the business funds completely separate from personal funds Regarding forming a nonprofit - this adds significant administrative burden without necessarily providing additional protection for his benefits. A simpler approach might be to partner with the existing animal shelter as a program under their nonprofit umbrella.

I'm dealing with a similar situation with my daughter who has autism and receives DAC benefits. She's been making and selling greeting cards at craft fairs, but like your son, all proceeds go to charity (in her case, a local food bank). What I learned from our experience: SSA cares more about the structure and documentation than the actual activity itself. We created a simple written agreement with the food bank showing they receive 100% of proceeds, and we maintain a separate checking account just for this activity. Every penny in gets documented and donated. The key insight our disability attorney shared: frame this as a therapeutic/social activity rather than a business venture in any communications with SSA. Emphasize the social skills development, routine building, and community connection aspects. This helps distinguish it from competitive employment. One practical tip: consider having the animal shelter sell the birdhouses directly rather than your son selling them and donating proceeds. This removes him from the "sales" aspect entirely and makes it clearly volunteer work/donation of goods. Best of luck navigating this - it's wonderful that your son has found something meaningful to do that helps animals!

As someone who just went through a similar ordeal applying for disability benefits while living in the UK, I can't emphasize enough how broken the international SSA system is right now. I had to make over 20 attempts to get through, and like many others here, had multiple "ghost appointments" where nobody called. What finally worked for me was a combination of several strategies mentioned here: calling right at 7am Eastern time, using the Claimyr service (which is legit and worth every penny), and having my sister in Florida also try calling on my behalf. The domestic lines really do seem to work better. One additional tip I haven't seen mentioned - if you're having trouble with the online my Social Security account due to foreign address formatting issues, try using a US address temporarily just to create the account and submit the initial contact request. You can update the address once you're actually speaking with someone. The important thing is getting into their system somehow. Ruby, congratulations on finally getting through! Your persistence paid off. For everyone else still struggling, don't give up. The system is absolutely terrible right now, but people are getting through eventually. Document everything, try multiple approaches, and be prepared to spend way more time on this than should be necessary.

This whole thread has been incredibly eye-opening about the state of SSA's international services. I'm a US citizen living in Australia and have been putting off applying for my retirement benefits because I keep hearing horror stories like these. Reading through everyone's experiences, it's clear this isn't just isolated incidents - there's a systematic breakdown in how SSA handles overseas applications. What really frustrates me is that we're not asking for special treatment here. We paid into the system our entire working lives just like domestic applicants, but we're getting drastically inferior service just because we live abroad. The fact that people have to pay third-party services like Claimyr just to reach their own government agency is absurd. Ruby, I'm so glad you finally got through and that your application is progressing! Your persistence is inspiring. For everyone else still fighting this battle - the strategies shared here seem to be the best available workarounds until SSA fixes their broken system. The early morning calling time, using the correct international numbers, and documenting everything seem to be the common threads among the success stories. Has anyone tried reaching out to their congressional representatives about these issues? I know we can't vote from overseas, but we're still constituents, and this seems like the kind of systematic failure that might warrant congressional oversight.

Thank you everyone for the helpful information! I'm going to create my Social Security account online tonight and look at my estimated benefits. Sounds like I need to wait until I'm 62 (and until he's 62 as well), but at least I know I have options. This is such a relief after thinking I might be out of luck because of his remarriage.

I went through this EXACT situation!!! My ex remarried a younger woman right after our divorce but I was able to claim on his record when I turned 62. The worker at my local SS office was AMAZING and explained everything. BUT she said that if I ever remarry I would LOSE the ex-spousal benefit!!! So keep that in mind if you're dating anyone... unfortunaely remarrying can actually COST you money in this situation!

my mom got her payment at a different time than your aunt cuz she was born on the 8th so she got hers on the second wednesday. its so confusing why they do it different for different birthdates!!

I'm sorry for your loss. Based on what others have explained here, it sounds like you have a good understanding now - you should expect one final payment for October (arriving in November), but definitely follow up directly with SSA to confirm the death has been properly reported. One thing I'd add is to keep detailed records of all communications with SSA, including dates, times, and names of representatives you speak with. This can be really helpful if there are any discrepancies later. Also, consider opening a separate account for any final payments so you can easily track and return money if SSA determines something was paid in error. The estate settlement process is stressful enough without having to worry about surprise clawbacks months later.

One more important point: If you decide to switch the boys to your record, you'll need to file SSA-4-BK (Representative Payee Report) for the benefits they received under their father's record before closing that out. This is basically an accounting of how you spent their benefits. Keep all documentation of how their current benefits are being used for their care, education, etc. The transition from one benefit type to another often triggers a review of the previous benefits management.

Congratulations on finalizing the adoption! As someone who has navigated similar waters with my adopted nephew, I'd strongly recommend getting a written estimate from SSA before making any changes. When I called to inquire about switching my nephew from survivor benefits to my record, they were able to give me the exact dollar amounts for both scenarios over the phone - this helped me make an informed decision without any surprises. Also, since you mentioned you're already the representative payee and have separate accounts set up, you're ahead of the game! The transition should be smoother since SSA already has all your payee information on file. Just make sure to ask specifically about the effective date of any changes when you meet with them - sometimes there can be slight delays in processing that might affect when the new benefit amounts kick in. The fact that your son hadn't worked consistently in recent years definitely suggests your record could provide higher benefits for the boys. Good luck with the process!