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As a newcomer to this community, I've been following this thread closely as I'm considering early retirement next year and have been worried about how my small business income might affect Social Security benefits. Reading through everyone's experiences has been incredibly educational! One thing I'm curious about that hasn't been fully addressed: for those of you who have S corps with rental properties, how do you handle the timing of reporting to SSA? Do you report your expected salary at the beginning of the year, or wait until you know your actual earnings? I'm particularly concerned about accidentally under-reporting and then having issues later if circumstances change. Also, @Andre Dubois - have you been able to connect with SSA yet using the Claimyr service that @Liam O'Donnell mentioned? I'm very interested to hear how that goes since I've had similar frustrations trying to reach someone by phone. Thanks to everyone who has shared their experiences here. This thread has been more helpful than hours of trying to research this topic on my own!

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Welcome to the community @Royal_GM_Mark! Great timing questions about reporting to SSA. From what I've learned reading through this thread and doing my own research, you typically report your expected annual earnings at the beginning of the year through your my Social Security account online. If your circumstances change significantly during the year, you can update your estimate. The key is being conservative in your estimates - it's better to slightly overestimate your salary and get a small adjustment later than to underestimate and face benefit reductions. Since S corp salary is pretty predictable (you set it), this should be straightforward compared to variable income sources. For the timing aspect, I'd suggest reporting your expected S corp salary for the full year, but keep in mind that if you change your salary mid-year or have any other changes, you should update SSA promptly. The Annual Earnings Report that several people mentioned is also important to file accurately. I'm also very curious to hear how @Andre Dubois makes out with the Claimyr service - that phone wait time issue seems to be a common frustration that many of us face when trying to get definitive answers from SSA!

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As a newcomer to this community, I want to thank everyone for this incredibly detailed discussion! I'm in a similar situation - just turned 64 and considering early retirement with an S corp that owns a few rental units. Reading through all these experiences has been more valuable than any official SSA publication I've found. One aspect I haven't seen mentioned yet: has anyone dealt with SSA's position on S corp owners who occasionally handle emergency repairs or tenant issues themselves? I'm wondering if even minimal hands-on involvement (like dealing with a plumbing emergency when the property manager isn't available) could jeopardize the passive status, or if SSA considers this normal property ownership rather than "substantial services." Also, for those who have successfully navigated this process, do you think it's worth consulting with a Social Security attorney upfront, or is the DIY approach with proper documentation sufficient for most straightforward rental situations? The collective wisdom in this thread gives me much more confidence about moving forward with my retirement plans. Thank you all for sharing your real-world experiences!

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Hey Dylan! I'm actually in the middle of researching this exact same thing right now. From what I've gathered reading through all these comments, it sounds like the rollover itself won't hurt your SSDI, but man, the tax implications are something else! I'm leaning toward doing a partial rollover strategy like Rudy mentioned - maybe convert a little bit each year instead of doing it all at once. That way I can keep my taxable income more manageable and avoid getting hit with those Medicare premium increases. One thing I'm still trying to figure out though - does anyone know if there's a specific dollar amount that's considered "safe" to convert each year without triggering any red flags? I've got about $45k in my traditional IRA and I'm trying to map out a 3-4 year conversion plan. Thanks for starting this thread - it's been super educational reading everyone's experiences! 👍

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Sean, I'm pretty new to all this but from what I've been reading online, there isn't really a "safe" dollar amount that applies to everyone since it depends on your total income picture. But I've seen some people mention trying to stay under certain tax bracket thresholds when planning conversions. Maybe someone with more experience can chime in? I'm also trying to figure out the best approach for my situation - I've got a smaller traditional IRA (around $20k) and I'm wondering if it's worth converting at all or if I should just leave it alone. This whole thread has been eye-opening about how complex this stuff can get! 😅 Dylan, thanks for posting this question - it's helping a lot of us figure this out!

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Hey Dylan! I just wanted to chime in as someone who's been on SSDI for about 4 years now. The advice from Sofia and Rudy is spot on - the rollover itself won't affect your SSDI benefits directly since it's not considered earned income. But definitely watch out for those tax implications! I made a similar move about 2 years ago and learned the hard way about the Medicare premium thing. Ended up with higher Part B premiums the following year because my MAGI spiked from the conversion. Not the end of the world, but definitely something I wish I'd planned for better. My suggestion would be to sit down with someone who really knows this stuff before you pull the trigger. The SSA rules can be tricky, and while the folks here have given great advice, having a professional look at your specific situation could save you some headaches down the road. Also, if you do decide to go ahead with it, keep really good records of everything. The SSA might ask questions later, and having all your documentation ready makes life so much easier. Good luck with whatever you decide! 🙂

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Thanks Anastasia! Your experience with the Medicare premium increase is exactly the kind of real-world insight that's so valuable. I'm wondering - when you say you "learned the hard way," how much did your Part B premiums actually go up? I'm trying to get a sense of the actual dollar impact so I can factor that into my decision. Also, did the higher premiums last just one year or did it take a while for them to adjust back down? This is definitely making me lean more toward the partial rollover approach that others have mentioned! 😊

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OMG ppl are so lucky with military pensions! My dad worked for the county for 35 years and gets a good pension but when he tried to get any SS from my moms record they said nope because of that GPO thing. makes no sense why military is treated different from other govt workers!

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The difference is that military service members have been paying into Social Security since 1957, while many state and local government employees (like your father) were covered by pension systems that operated outside of Social Security and didn't contribute to it. The GPO was designed to treat government workers who didn't pay into Social Security similarly to dual-earner couples where both spouses paid into the system.

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As someone new to understanding Social Security benefits, this thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm in a somewhat similar situation - my spouse worked for a state agency that didn't pay into Social Security for most of their career, but I've been in the private sector my whole working life. Reading about how military pensions are treated differently than other government pensions really clarifies why we're facing the GPO reduction while military families like yours won't. It sounds like you and your husband are in a much better position than I initially thought when I saw your question. The key takeaway I'm getting is that the type of government service really matters - if Social Security taxes were paid during that service, then GPO doesn't apply. Thanks to everyone for sharing their experiences and knowledge!

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I'm still waiting for mine too! It's been really stressful not knowing the exact amount, especially since we're trying to finalize our holiday spending budget. My sister got hers two weeks ago and we usually receive all our SSA mail around the same time. Reading all these responses really puts my mind at ease though - sounds like this is completely normal and they really do send them out over several weeks. I'll stop checking the mailbox obsessively every day and just wait patiently until mid-December like others suggested. Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences!

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I'm in the exact same situation! Still waiting for my COLA letter and it's making me anxious about our budget planning too. My husband got his over a week ago, but mine is nowhere to be found. This thread has been so helpful though - I had no idea they stagger the mailings over such a long period. I'm going to try that 2.5% calculation method that Mason mentioned and stop worrying about it until mid-December. It's such a relief to know this is totally normal and not something to panic about!

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I'm also still waiting for my COLA letter and was getting really worried until I found this thread! My neighbor got hers almost two weeks ago and we're both retirement age with similar circumstances, so I couldn't understand the delay. It's such a relief to hear from everyone that SSA really does send these out in waves over several weeks. The 2.5% calculation tip is super helpful - I just did the math and it looks like my monthly benefit should go up by about $47. I'll stop stressing about it and wait until December to check my MySocialSecurity account online. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences, especially the former SSA employee who explained the process!

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I'm so glad I found this discussion! I've been in the same exact situation - still waiting for my COLA letter while my spouse got theirs over a week ago. I was starting to think there was an issue with my account or that somehow I got missed in their system. Reading everyone's experiences here has been incredibly reassuring. The former SSA employee's explanation about the 3-4 week batching process makes so much sense, and I love the 2.5% calculation tip to get a rough estimate while we wait. I'm definitely going to stop checking the mailbox multiple times a day and just be patient until mid-December. Thanks to everyone for sharing - this community is so helpful for navigating all these SSA processes!

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I work part-time for the Social Security Administration and can confirm everything that's been shared here - no enrollment periods for retirement benefits! You can literally apply any day of the year once you hit 62. Since you mentioned health concerns, I'd strongly suggest calling SSA at 1-800-772-1213 to discuss your specific situation. We can look at your exact earnings record and show you the precise benefit amounts at different claiming ages, plus discuss any survivor benefit implications if you're married. One small correction to something mentioned earlier - the reduction for claiming at 65 instead of 67 is actually calculated monthly, so it's about 13.33% reduction, but that's permanent for life. However, if you're dealing with health issues, getting 24 months of payments earlier could very well be the smart financial move. Also, don't forget that your Medicare premiums will be deducted from your Social Security payments automatically once you start receiving them, which simplifies things. The whole process really is designed to be flexible and accommodate people's changing circumstances - that's exactly why we don't have restricted enrollment periods like Medicare does.

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This is incredibly helpful information, especially coming from someone who works at SSA! I really appreciate you taking the time to clarify everything. The fact that you can look at actual earnings records rather than estimates when I call makes that phone consultation sound even more valuable. I had no idea that Medicare premiums would be automatically deducted - that's actually really convenient since I'm already enrolled. Your point about the system being designed for flexibility really puts me at ease. I think I'm going to call that number this week to get my specific numbers and then likely move forward with applying. Thank you for the professional insight!

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I'm glad you found this community to ask such an important question! As someone who recently navigated this same decision, I want to emphasize what others have said - you have complete flexibility with when to apply for Social Security retirement benefits. There are absolutely no enrollment periods like Medicare has. I was in a very similar position last year - planned to wait until 67 but health concerns made me reconsider. What really helped me was doing a comprehensive analysis that went beyond just the monthly payment amounts. I looked at my total expected lifetime benefits under different scenarios, factoring in my health situation and family history. A few additional considerations that might help your decision: - Social Security benefits are inflation-adjusted, so starting earlier means you'll get those annual cost-of-living adjustments on a smaller base amount - If you're married, think about survivor benefits - your claiming decision affects what your spouse would receive - Consider your other retirement income sources - sometimes having Social Security start earlier allows you to delay withdrawing from retirement accounts, potentially saving on taxes The online application really is straightforward, and you can save your progress if you need to gather additional documents. Most people I know who applied received their first payment within 4-6 weeks. Given your health concerns, the certainty of receiving benefits now versus the uncertainty of what the future holds might make starting at 65 the right choice for your peace of mind.

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