Social Security survivor to retirement benefits switch - confused about retroactive lump sum calculation
Hi everyone. I've been collecting widow's benefits since I turned 62 (I'm now 67, just passed my full retirement age last month). I'm trying to delay filing for my own retirement benefits as long as possible to maximize them since my finances are going to be really tight in the future. But I'm considering filing retroactively for my retirement benefits. Does anyone know how the SSA calculates the retroactive lump sum payment in my situation? I understand they'll go back 6 months, but I'm confused about how they handle the survivor benefits I've already received during that period. Do they subtract the survivor benefits I've already gotten from the retroactive retirement amount? Or do I get the full 6 months of retirement benefits regardless? My retirement benefit should be higher than my survivor benefit, but I'm not sure exactly by how much. The last time I checked was in early 2024, but with the recent COLA increases plus another year of earnings, I'm not certain of the current amount. Also embarrassing, but I can't remember how to log into my MySocialSecurity account. It's been a while since I accessed it. Any help would be appreciated!
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Marina Hendrix
SSA will pay you the DIFFERENCE between your retirement benefit and the survivor benefit you already received for those 6 months. So if your retirement is $2,100 and your survivor was $1,800, you'd get $300 x 6 months = $1,800 lump sum. To access your account go to ssa.gov and click on Sign In/Sign Up. If you forgot your password, use the 'Forgot Password' link. They'll send you a reset code by email or text depending on how you set it up. Have your SSN ready.
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Romeo Barrett
•Thank you so much for explaining that! That makes sense now. I was worried they might just say "sorry, you already got benefits for those months" and not give me anything. Do you know if the retroactive amount is taxable income all in the year I receive it?
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Justin Trejo
MY WIFE went thru similar thing. just be carefull because sometimes the SSA peple themselfs don't know there own rules!!!! we had to talk to 3 different agents before one knew the right answer. the first 2 gave completely wrong info and almost cost us $!!!
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Romeo Barrett
•That's what I'm worried about. I tried calling them twice last week but both times I was on hold for over an hour and then got disconnected. It's so frustrating trying to get someone on the phone who knows what they're talking about!
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Alana Willis
If you're struggling to get through to SSA on the phone, I'd recommend trying Claimyr (claimyr.com). They have a service that gets you through to a real SSA agent much faster than waiting on hold yourself. I used them when I was switching from disability to retirement benefits and it saved me hours of frustration. They have a video demo here: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU As for your question about taxation - yes, the retroactive payment will be counted as income in the year you receive it, not spread across the months it covers. This can sometimes push you into a higher tax bracket for that year, so it's something to plan for.
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Romeo Barrett
•Thank you for the suggestion! I'll check out that service. The tax information is really helpful too - I hadn't even thought about how it might affect my tax bracket. I definitely need to talk to someone at SSA who knows what they're doing before I make this decision.
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Tyler Murphy
I worked for SSA for 15 years. Here's what you need to know: 1. For retroactive retirement benefits, they will pay you the DIFFERENCE between what you would have received in retirement and what you already received in survivor benefits. 2. This is because you can't receive both benefits simultaneously - you get the higher of the two. 3. If your retirement benefit is $100 more per month than your survivor benefit, your 6-month retroactive payment would be $600 (minus any applicable tax withholding). 4. To access your account: Go to ssa.gov, click Sign In. If you can't remember your credentials, use the "Forgot Username" or "Forgot Password" options. They've added extra security recently, so you might need to verify your identity through your email or phone. 5. Consider carefully if filing retroactively is worth it. If you're trying to maximize lifetime benefits, sometimes it's better to keep the survivor benefits longer and switch later when your own benefit has grown more.
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Romeo Barrett
•Thank you for such a detailed explanation! That last point is making me reconsider. I was thinking of the immediate financial help, but maybe I should look at the long-term picture. Do you know if there's a calculator that could help me figure out the break-even point?
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Tyler Murphy
•Yes, there are several good calculators online. Check out Open Social Security (opensocialsecurity.com) or Maximize My Social Security. Both can help you compare different filing strategies. The basic math: Each year you delay past FRA, your benefit increases by 8%. So if waiting an extra year means your monthly benefit goes from $2,000 to $2,160, you'd need to live about 12.5 years beyond that point to break even on what you gave up by waiting. Given increasing lifespans, especially for women, waiting often makes mathematical sense if you can afford to.
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Sara Unger
Just wanting to chime in that I had a NIGHTMARE time trying to do something similar last year. The online account was completely useless for my situation and I ended up having to go to my local office IN PERSON after failing to get through on the phone for weeks. Bring ALL your documents if you go that route!!
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Butch Sledgehammer
•The in-person offices have been HORRIBLE since they reopened after covid. I waited 3 hours last time only to be told I needed some document I didn't bring. Total waste of time!!! And they wouldn't even let me make an appointment for coming back - had to wait in line all over again. The system is broken!!!
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Freya Ross
i think they just take your full retirement amount for 6 months and subtract what survivor benefits you already got for those 6 months. that's what happened with my uncle last year when he did this exact same thing.
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Justin Trejo
•YEP thats how they did it for my wife too. she got a smaller lump sum than she expected because of this but at least her monthly check is bigger now going forward!!!!!
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Leslie Parker
I'm in a similar situation and meeting with an SSA representative next week. One thing I've been told is that you can request a benefit verification letter through your online account once you get back in. This will show your current survivor benefit amount which helps when making comparisons. Also worth noting - when you switch from survivor to retirement, your Medicare premium payment method might change. I was told to watch out for this to avoid any gaps in coverage.
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Romeo Barrett
•Thank you! I didn't even think about the Medicare premium payment method changing. That's really good to know. Could you possibly update this thread after your meeting next week to share what you learn? I'd really appreciate hearing about your experience.
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Leslie Parker
•Absolutely! I'll come back and share what I learn. My appointment is on Tuesday, so I'll try to post an update by the end of next week. Navigating all this is definitely confusing, so I'm happy to share anything that might help others in our situation.
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