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Wait so your own benefit is higher than your husbands? In my case my husbands benefit was way higher than mine would ever be so I just took his. But if yours is higher then yeah do what everyone is saying.

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Good point about benefit amounts. If the survivor benefit is higher than her own retirement benefit would be at FRA, then she should just take the survivor benefit permanently. But since she mentioned her own benefit would be higher (after 38 years as a nurse), the strategy of taking survivor benefits temporarily and then switching makes perfect sense.

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Thanks everyone for the helpful advice! I'm going to try making an appointment at my local office instead of dealing with the phone system. I'll be very clear that I ONLY want survivor benefits for now. I'll also bring printouts of the SSA rules about this to the appointment, just in case. It's so frustrating that even the SSA employees seem confused about their own policies sometimes. I just want to make sure I'm not leaving money on the table while I wait for my FRA in a few months.

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That's a smart approach. One more tip: when you go to your appointment, ask specifically for someone who specializes in survivor benefits. And if you sense the person helping you seems unsure, politely ask to speak with a technical expert or supervisor. Good luck!

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my cousin said something about a 60 day window after applying where u can withdraw ur application if u change ur mind about taking early benefits. might be worth asking about that too in case she decides to wait for full amount later

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That's interesting and could be really helpful information. I'll add it to the list of things for her to ask about. Thanks!

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Another thing she should consider is that survivor benefits taken early are reduced differently than regular retirement benefits. The reduction for survivor benefits at age 62 is about 28.5%, while regular retirement at 62 would be reduced by about 30%. The exact percentage depends on her specific FRA. The SSA representative should be able to calculate the exact amount during her appointment.

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I didn't realize there was a difference in how they calculate the reductions. Thanks for pointing that out!

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Make sure to ask about the Lump Sum Death Payment too! If you were living with your second husband when he passed, you might qualify for the $255 payment even if you don't qualify for monthly survivor benefits. It's not much but every bit helps. Also, something I learned the hard way - bring proof of ALL your marriages and divorces to your appointment. They wanted my marriage certificate from 30 years ago! I had to reschedule and hunt through old boxes. Have birth certificates, social security cards, death certificates, marriage/divorce papers all ready to go so you don't have to do multiple appointments.

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That's really helpful! I wouldn't have thought to bring ALL that documentation. I'll start gathering everything now. And thank you for the tip about the lump sum payment - I hadn't heard about that and you're right, every bit does help in my situation.

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when u go on SS at 60 u get 71.5% of what youd get at full retirement age. make sure u can live on that amount. my sister thought shed get full amount and was shocked how much less it was taking early.

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Thank you for this warning. I didn't realize the reduction was that significant! I'll definitely ask for the exact amount during my appointment. Even a reduced amount will help my situation, but I need to know the number for planning.

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i dont understand why SSA dosent just SAY whats changed? like tell us exactly what the diffrence is now vs before. im affected by WEP not GPO but its all so confusing!!!!

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They haven't changed the actual GPO formula or rules - that would require Congress. What they're clarifying is that application timing still matters for GPO-affected individuals. The optimum filing strategies for someone affected by GPO/WEP can be complex and case-specific, which is probably why they're being cautious about making broad statements. But you're right - clearer communication would be helpful.

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Just an update - I called SSA this morning (was on hold for almost 2 hours!) and the agent confirmed they're seeing many GPO-affected people filing now. He said they're processing these applications faster than normal because of the increased volume. He also mentioned something about "protective filing dates" being important, though I didn't fully understand what that meant.

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A "protective filing date" basically secures your filing date even if your application isn't complete. This can be important because benefits are calculated based on when you apply. By establishing this date, you protect potential benefits while gathering additional documentation or information they might need. It's good they mentioned this - shows they're taking the timing factor seriously for GPO cases.

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Social Security CIC benefits for disabled adult son after father's death - can payments start before 5-month waiting period?

I'm trying to figure out the mess of SSDI benefits after my father's unexpected passing. Dad applied for SSDI in September 2024 and got approved in December with that standard 5-month waiting period (meaning benefits would start March 2025). His approval letter mentioned contacting SSA about my brother, who's a disabled adult dependent (he has severe autism and has been disabled since childhood). Unfortunately, Dad passed away suddenly in mid-January 2025 before any payments started. Mom had her phone appointment with SSA last week about survivor benefits and asked about Childhood Disability Benefits (what they call CIC) for my brother after seeing it mentioned in an online forum (the SSA rep never brought it up!). When the rep asked Mom about starting benefits in January, she said yes without thinking it through. Now we're wondering: could my brother's disabled adult child benefits on Dad's record actually start EARLIER than January? Maybe from when Dad first applied in September or when he got approved in December? Is there a separate 5-month waiting period for disabled adult children? Or does that only apply to the disabled worker (Dad)? Can we request an earlier start date for my brother's benefits since he's been disabled his entire life? Any advice would be incredibly helpful. This is all so confusing and we're still processing Dad's passing while trying to navigate this bureaucratic maze.

I believe there's some confusion in the responses you're getting. Let me clarify based on SSA rules: 1. When a wage earner dies during the 5-month waiting period for SSDI, survivors don't have to serve the remainder of that waiting period. Benefits can begin the month of death. 2. For your brother as a Disabled Adult Child (DAC), benefits would typically start with the month of your father's death (January 2025). 3. There's a provision called "Deemed Filing Date" that might help in certain situations. If your father mentioned your brother's disability when he first applied in September 2024, there's a possibility this could be considered a protective filing date for your brother. 4. Request a detailed explanation in writing regarding the earliest possible entitlement date. Ask specifically about any protective filing provisions that might apply. 5. If your brother was receiving SSI, the rules for back payments get even more complex, as SSI payments may need to be repaid if retroactive SSDI is awarded. I recommend requesting a meeting with a Technical Expert at your local SSA office who specializes in disabled adult child benefits, not just speaking with the frontline representatives who may not be familiar with all the nuances.

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Thank you for mentioning the "Deemed Filing Date" - I've never heard of that! Dad definitely mentioned my brother's disability when he applied, so this could be relevant. We'll specifically ask about this and request the meeting with a Technical Expert rather than just talking to whoever answers the phone. And we'll request the explanation in writing too - great suggestion.

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One more important thing - if your brother was already receiving SSI (Supplemental Security Income) benefits on his own record, switching to the higher DAC benefits on your father's record will affect his Medicaid eligibility. There's a special provision called "Section 1634(c)" or the "DAC Medicaid protection" you should ask about to ensure he keeps Medicaid coverage even with the higher SSDI payment.

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That's a critical point about Medicaid that I hadn't considered! My brother is on SSI and Medicaid currently, so we definitely need to make sure we don't lose that coverage. I'll specifically ask about the "DAC Medicaid protection" - thank you so much for mentioning this!

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