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One crucial point that hasn't been mentioned: while claiming divorced spouse benefits doesn't require your ex to be receiving benefits, he does need to be age-eligible (at least 62). Since you mentioned he's 66, this requirement is already met. Even though your own benefit will be higher, it's still important to mention your eligible divorced spouse status when you apply. This ensures the SSA does the proper calculations and comparison. Given your substantial benefit amount ($2,950), I strongly recommend waiting until your Full Retirement Age to avoid permanent reductions. If your financial situation allows, waiting until 70 would increase your benefit by approximately 32% to around $3,900 per month for the rest of your life.
Thank you for this additional information. I wasn't aware of the age requirement for the ex-spouse, but good to know he meets that criteria. I'll definitely mention the marriage when I apply, even though it sounds like my own benefit will be higher. The idea of waiting until 70 is tempting, but I'm concerned about the break-even point. At what age would I need to live to in order to make delaying until 70 worthwhile?
To answer your question about the break-even point for delaying benefits from FRA to age 70: Generally, you'd need to live until approximately 82-83 years old to break even. Every month you live beyond that age, you're coming out ahead by having delayed. With women's average life expectancy now in the mid-80s and continuing to increase, delaying benefits is often a smart financial decision, especially for women with family histories of longevity. It's essentially longevity insurance. Delaying also maximizes potential survivor benefits should you remarry. Something to consider in your overall planning.
This break-even analysis is so important and not enough people consider it! My financial advisor showed me that with current life expectancies for women, something like 80% of women would be better off waiting until 70 to claim. It's basically betting that you'll live beyond 83, which statistically, most women who reach 65 will do. I wish I had waited.
Congrats on reaching FRA! Something no one mentioned yet - even though the earnings limit is gone, you still have to pay income tax on your combined income (work + SS benefits) if it goes over certain thresholds. For most people, up to 85% of SS benefits become taxable when your combined income gets high enough. Just something to budget for!
Good point! I forgot to mention this. The thresholds for Social Security benefits becoming taxable are pretty low too. For single filers, if your combined income (adjusted gross income + nontaxable interest + half of your SS benefits) exceeds $25,000, up to 50% of benefits may be taxable. Above $34,000, up to 85% may be taxable. Op should definitely factor this into their calculations when deciding how much to work in 2025.
One final clarification for you: to maximize your benefits, remember that: 1. You can work unlimited amounts after FRA without benefit reduction 2. If you're switching to your own retirement benefits, consider whether it makes sense to delay claiming your own retirement past FRA to earn delayed retirement credits (8% per year until age 70). You could potentially continue receiving survivor benefits while delaying your own retirement benefit, depending on which is higher. 3. Any new earnings that replace lower earnings in your 35-year calculation will increase your benefit. SSA recalculates annually. 4. Watch those IRMAA thresholds for Medicare premiums - for 2025 (based on 2023 income), the first tier starts around $97,000 for individuals. Based on everything you've shared, you're making good decisions. Starting work in January 2025 after reaching FRA gives you complete freedom from the earnings test.
Thank you so much for this additional information! I've already looked at the numbers, and my own retirement benefit at FRA will be higher than my survivor benefit, so switching makes sense for me. And now I know I can work without worrying about benefit reductions! This forum has been incredibly helpful - I feel much more confident about my decisions now. I appreciate everyone taking the time to share their knowledge and experiences!
One more important factor to consider: if you claim your benefit early at 64, and your husband passes away in the future, your survivor benefit would be affected. As a widow, you would be eligible for up to 100% of what your husband was receiving (including any delayed retirement credits), but if you had claimed your own benefit early, your survivor benefit would be reduced. This is one reason why, in couples with significant benefit differences, financial advisors often recommend that the lower-earning spouse consider claiming early while the higher-earning spouse delays as long as possible. This maximizes the survivor benefit protection.
Quick follow-up on my earlier response: when you go back to SSA, ask specifically about the "restricted application" for survivor benefits. This is the technical term for what you want to do - restricting your application to ONLY the survivor benefit while letting your own retirement benefit grow. Also, you should know that survivor benefits taken before your Full Retirement Age are reduced for early claiming (unlike switching to your own benefit at 70, which doesn't get penalized). Since you're turning 65 and your FRA is 66 and 10 months, that $1,850 figure already includes the early claiming reduction. If you waited until your FRA to claim the survivor benefit, it would be slightly higher, but that's rarely the optimal financial strategy when your own benefit will exceed the survivor benefit eventually.
This is incredibly helpful information! I'll definitely use the term "restricted application" when I go back. Do you happen to know if I need to bring any special documentation with me when I apply for the survivor benefit? I have my husband's death certificate and our marriage certificate already.
Those documents are the main ones you'll need. Also bring your own ID, birth certificate if you have it (though they may already have this on file), and your Social Security card. If you've been married before for 10+ years, bring documentation about those marriages too, as you might qualify for benefits on those records as well. And definitely bring a notepad to write down the name of who you speak with and summary of advice given.
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Jamal Wilson
•Thanks for the info. I might consider using something like that if I keep having trouble reaching someone. My retirement decisions are too important to make without getting the right information.
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Mei Lin
Here's a summary of what we've discussed to help clarify: 1. If you're married at least 9 months before your husband passes away, you qualify for survivor benefits 2. If your husband passes away while on SSDI, your survivor benefit would be 100% of his disability benefit amount IF you claim at your Full Retirement Age or later 3. If you claim your own retirement benefit early (before your FRA) and later switch to survivor benefits, the RIB-LIM rule might reduce your survivor benefit amount 4. You can choose to receive either your own retirement benefit OR the survivor benefit, whichever is higher (not both simultaneously) 5. You can switch between benefits - for example, take your reduced retirement now and switch to survivor benefits later, or take survivor benefits first and switch to your own retirement later if it's higher The best strategy depends on the specific benefit amounts in your case. I recommend speaking with a knowledgeable SSA representative who can review both your records.
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Jamal Wilson
•Thank you so much for this clear summary! I've taken notes and will definitely speak with SSA before making any decisions. This forum has been incredibly helpful.
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