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anybody know if this effects SSI too? my cousin gets SSI and is getting married next month

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SSI (Supplemental Security Income) is completely different from retirement benefits. SSI is needs-based, so getting married can definitely affect eligibility and payment amounts since your spouse's income and resources will count toward the limits. Your cousin should contact SSA before getting married to understand how it will affect their benefits.

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So to summarize for everyone: the "claim spousal at FRA, then switch to your own at 70" strategy (restricted application) only works if you were born before January 2, 1954. For everyone else, once you file, you get the higher of either benefit and can't switch later. It's frustrating how many outdated articles are still out there!

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Thanks for that clear summary! You're right about the outdated information - I think that's why I was confused. I appreciate everyone helping to clear this up.

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wait wait wait i think you guys are cofusing SSA rules. isnt there still something he can do with a 'deemed filing' exception? My friend did something like that recently. Maybe ask about that specificaly?

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You're thinking of the deemed filing changes that were also part of the 2015 law. Before that change, deemed filing only applied before FRA. After the change, it applies at any age for people born on or after January 2, 1954. So unfortunately, there's no deemed filing exception that would help in this case - it's actually the deemed filing rule itself that prevents the strategy the original poster was asking about.

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Thank you all for your helpful responses! It seems clear now that my husband can't collect on my record while delaying his own benefits since he was born after January 1954. We'll stick with our plan to have him wait until 70 to maximize his benefit (and my potential survivor benefit). I appreciate everyone taking the time to explain this - Social Security rules can be so confusing!

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You're making a wise choice. Since your husband is already 67, he only has 3 more years of waiting, and each year increases his benefit by 8%. That higher amount will last for his lifetime and potentially yours too (as a survivor benefit if he predeceases you), so the long-term gain is substantial. Best wishes with your retirement planning!

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just wondering, how old r u and ur husband? cause that matters for the benefits i think

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Good question - I'm 68 and he's 72. We both started taking our benefits at our full retirement ages.

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Based on your ages (68 and 72), you're both at Full Retirement Age, which simplifies things considerably. Since you're already at FRA, if your husband were to pass away, you would be eligible to receive 100% of his benefit amount immediately with no reduction. And since you're not working, there would be no earnings test to worry about. Just ensure both of you have created MySocialSecurity accounts online. This will make it easier to track benefits and provide you with benefit verification letters that might be needed during the survivor benefit application process.

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We do have MySocialSecurity accounts already - that's been helpful for keeping track of our current benefits. It's reassuring to know that my situation would be relatively straightforward since we're both past FRA. Thank you for taking the time to explain everything!

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I want to emphasize what was said above about the Date Last Insured (DLI) - this is absolutely worth investigating. MS cases can be particularly complex because the onset is often gradual, but she should focus on documenting when the condition first prevented her from working at a substantial level (what SSA calls Substantial Gainful Activity or SGA). Additionally, regarding spousal benefits - your sister would need to wait until age 62 for reduced spousal retirement benefits, or full retirement age (67 for her) for unreduced spousal benefits. If she pursues the SSDI route based on her own record with the DLI approach, she should gather: 1. All medical records documenting her MS progression, especially from 8 years ago 2. Employment records showing when she reduced hours or stopped working 3. Statements from former employers or coworkers about how her condition affected her work 4. A detailed written statement about how her symptoms progressed This documentation will be crucial if she needs to prove she became disabled before her DLI expired.

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Thank you so much for this detailed explanation. I'll help her start gathering all those records. I know she has medical documentation going back to when she was first diagnosed. The part about documenting when she actually had to stop working due to the MS is really helpful.

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Just wondering has she tried applying for state disability programs? Some states have their own disability benefits that aren't as strict as SSDI with the work credits thing.

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I don't think she has. They're in Tennessee - I'm not sure what programs might be available there but I'll definitely suggest looking into state options too. At this point we need to explore every possibility.

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Unfortunately, Tennessee doesn't have a state disability program like California or New York. However, she should check with Tennessee's Department of Human Services to see if she qualifies for any assistance programs based on her disability status. They may have programs that can help with healthcare, food, or other needs even if not direct income support.

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I just remembered something important - ask the doctor to write a note specifically stating your husband cannot work! My husband's neurologist wrote a detailed letter about his limitations and I think that made a big difference in his approval.

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Thank you everyone for the helpful advice. After showing my husband these responses, he finally agreed not to work during the application process. We're gathering all his medical records, VA disability documentation, and will be asking his doctors for detailed statements about his limitations. I'm nervous about our finances, but his health and securing these benefits is more important right now. I'll update once we get further in the process.

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That's a wise decision. Remember that if he's approved, SSDI benefits can be paid retroactively for up to 12 months before the application date (depending on when disability began), which might help with financial concerns. Best of luck to you both during this challenging time.

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