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Actually I just thought of this - have you checked if you qualify for any other programs? With your reduced income you might be eligible for assistance with utilities or property tax reductions for seniors. Our county has a program that caps property taxes for homeowners over 60 with income below certain levels.
Has anyone mentioned that Social Security MIGHT be taxable depending on your combined income?? I got surprised by this my first year on SS! If your combined income (adjusted gross income + nontaxable interest + half of SS benefits) exceeds $25,000 for individuals or $32,000 for couples, up to 85% of your benefits might be taxable. With your husband still working full-time, you'll probably hit that threshold.
This is an important point. With your husband's continued income, you would likely have a portion of any SS benefits subject to federal income tax. This is another reason why coordinating your claiming strategy as a couple is so important - it affects both your benefit amounts and your tax situation.
I've been dealing with Social Security for YEARS and this is nothing new. They NEVER update their systems on time. My husband and I both got caught in the confusion when the FRA changed years ago. The website said one thing, the phone people said another thing, and the office staff said something completely different! Then they have the nerve to blame YOU when their mistakes cause problems. Do NOT trust what one agent tells you - always get a second opinion and GET EVERYTHING IN WRITING!!!
Update: After reading all your helpful comments, I decided to try calling. After THREE HOURS on hold, I finally got through to someone. They confirmed that yes, for WEP/GPO repeal cases, phone or in-person are the only options right now. They're "working on updating the website" but couldn't give a timeframe. So frustrating! The agent was actually very helpful once I got through and started my mother-in-law's application. They'll be mailing her some forms to complete and return. Thanks everyone for your help and suggestions!
Glad you got through! Make sure she keeps copies of EVERYTHING she sends them. And note the date the forms were mailed back. If they claim they never received something (happens all the time), having proof of when it was sent can make a big difference. Also, if she has MySSA account, she can check the status online even though she couldn't apply online.
One thing no one has mentioned yet - there's a HUGE advantage to the higher-earning spouse delaying benefits until 70 if possible. Each year you delay past FRA increases your benefit by 8%, so waiting from 67 to 70 gives you a 24% higher benefit FOR LIFE. And if that higher-earning spouse dies first, that higher amount becomes the survivor benefit (assuming it's higher than the surviving spouse's own benefit). So in your case, since your benefit is higher than his, you might want to strongly consider waiting until 70 to claim, especially if you have longevity in your family.
Im still confused about something... if the husband takes SS at 62 but then keeps working, doesnt his benefit amount go up? And then wouldnt that mean the survivor benefit goes up too?
Great question! If he claims at 62 but continues working, two things can happen: 1. If he earns over the earnings limit ($22,320 in 2023), they'll withhold $1 in benefits for every $2 he earns above that limit until he reaches FRA. 2. SSA will recalculate his benefit amount annually to include those additional earnings years, which could increase his benefit slightly if those years are higher earning than the ones used in his original calculation. But the early claiming reduction is permanent - it doesn't go away. So while working might increase his benefit somewhat, he'll always have that early claiming penalty applied.
just wondering - did your sister ever work enough to qualify for Medicare on her own record? if shes getting SS benefits i assume yes but just checking cause thats important at her age too
After thinking about this more, I want to clarify something important: When your sister's husband eventually DOES file for benefits (whether now or later), she will automatically be eligible for the spousal benefit if it would increase her total benefit amount. The benefit calculation is: She gets her own benefit first, then an additional amount if the spousal benefit (up to 50% of her husband's PIA) would be higher. The early filing reduction from her claiming at 62 will affect the spousal amount, but she'd still likely see some increase. Also worth noting - if her husband passes away before her, she would be eligible for 100% of his benefit amount as a widow (assuming it's higher than her own). This survivor benefit can actually be a major factor in deciding when he should claim.
Thank you for this additional information! That's helpful to know about the survivor benefit - I hadn't considered that. I think we need to sit down with her husband and look at the long-term picture, especially considering both their ages and health conditions. I appreciate all the helpful responses here.
Paolo Ricci
After struggling with this exact decision, I consulted with a financial planner who specializes in Social Security strategies. The most eye-opening part was running a simulation that showed how the decision impacts total household benefits through both of our lifetimes, not just my individual break-even point. For couples, it's really a household income strategy, not an individual one. Money well spent for personalized advice!
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•That's a really good point. I've been thinking about this mostly from my own perspective, but it really is a household decision that affects our combined income for potentially decades. Did the financial planner charge a lot for this analysis? I might look into finding someone who specializes in Social Security strategies.
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The whole system is DESIGNED to confuse us!!! My uncle waited till 70 to claim and got exactly TWO CHECKS before he passed. Meanwhile the SSA building in my town just got renovated with fancy new furniture. Tell me where all our money is REALLY going!!?
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•I understand the frustration. It feels like a gamble no matter what we choose. Sorry about your uncle - that's exactly the scenario I'm trying to avoid. The system definitely feels opaque sometimes, which makes these decisions even harder.
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