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Just wanted to add another perspective here - I'm a retired benefits counselor and worked with SSA for 15 years. A few additional tips that might help: 1. Keep detailed records of your monthly earnings throughout 2025. SSA sometimes makes mistakes in their calculations, and having your own records helps if you need to dispute anything. 2. Consider the timing of when you receive paychecks vs when you earn the money. SSA counts wages in the month you receive them, not when you earn them. So if you get paid on the 1st for the previous month's work, that income counts toward the month you receive it. 3. If you're close to the limit in any month, you can ask your employer to defer some income to the next month (like delaying a bonus) to stay under the threshold. 4. The "first year rule" that Amina mentioned is really important - make sure you understand exactly how it applies to your situation starting in February. Since the 2025 limits haven't been announced yet, I'd suggest calling SSA in January to get the official numbers before making any final decisions about your work schedule. Good luck with your retirement planning!
This is incredibly helpful advice, especially the part about timing of paychecks! I never would have thought that the month you receive payment matters more than when you actually do the work. That's definitely something I need to coordinate with my HR department. And you're absolutely right about keeping detailed records - after hearing about Oliver's experience having to pay back $4,000, I want to make sure I have everything documented. Thank you for sharing your professional expertise!
Another thing to keep in mind is that if you're planning to work part-time, you might want to consider seasonal work patterns to maximize your benefits. For example, if you know the monthly limit for 2025 will be around $1,950-$2,000 as Javier estimated, you could potentially work more hours in January (before you start collecting) and then reduce your hours for the rest of the year. Some people also find it helpful to work more in December since that gives them a full year to plan their earnings for the following year. Just make sure whatever arrangement you make with your boss is documented in writing so there's no confusion about your schedule or pay timing later on.
That's a really smart strategy about seasonal work patterns! I hadn't thought about working more hours in January before my benefits start. Since I'm planning to begin collecting in February, maximizing January earnings could really help offset the reduced hours I'll need for the rest of the year. Do you know if there are any restrictions on how much I can earn in January, or is it truly unlimited as long as I haven't started collecting yet?
If your husband's payment for the month in which he died was directly deposited, the bank should be notified. Typically, Social Security will contact the bank to request the return of the payment. However, if the funds have been spent, Social Security will contact you to arrange repayment. It's best to leave those funds untouched until this is resolved. When you have your appointment about survivor benefits, mention this situation so they can help you handle it correctly.
I'm so sorry for your loss, Diego. Going through this paperwork while grieving is incredibly difficult. Just wanted to add one more thing that might help - when you call to make your appointment, you can also ask them to mail you form SSA-10 (Application for Widow's or Widower's Benefits) ahead of time so you can review it and fill out what you can before your appointment. This can help speed up the process and reduce some of the stress of trying to remember details during the meeting. Also, if you have any joint bank account statements or tax returns that show you were married and living together, bring those too as backup documentation. Take care of yourself during this difficult time.
did u try asking for a supervisor when they denied your waiver? sometimes the first person just says no to everything but a supervisor can actually help
I'm a retired SSA claims specialist and I've seen thousands of GPO cases like yours. First, don't give up on that overpayment appeal - the fact that they admitted having your documentation beforehand is actually significant. Request an Administrative Law Judge hearing and emphasize that timeline in your testimony. For your benefit strategy, here's what I'd recommend: Get your complete earnings record and benefit estimates from SSA (either online at ssa.gov or through that Claimyr service someone mentioned). You need to know your Primary Insurance Amount (PIA) before WEP reduction to make this decision properly. Since you're already receiving survivor benefits (reduced by GPO), the key question is whether your own retirement benefit at FRA would exceed what you're getting now. If your own benefit at 67 would be substantially higher, keep the survivor benefit until then. If not, you might consider filing for reduced retirement at 62 and keeping whichever is higher. One thing many people miss: if you file for your own retirement benefit, WEP will reduce it, but that reduction might be less severe than the GPO reduction you're experiencing on survivor benefits. The math matters here - get those exact numbers!
One last point regarding your strategy: when you pass away (hopefully many decades from now), your wife will receive the higher of the two benefits as a survivor benefit. So by having her wait until 70 to claim her own retirement benefits, you're also potentially maximizing her future survivor benefit. This is especially important since women typically outlive men by several years. The restricted application strategy you're considering provides: 1. Your full benefit now when you need it 2. Extra spousal income for your wife while her benefit grows 3. A maximized benefit for your wife at 70 4. A maximized survivor benefit for your wife if you predecease her It's really an optimal approach for your birth years and situation.
As someone who just went through this process myself, I wanted to add a practical tip: when you go to file the restricted application, bring a printed copy of the SSA Program Operations Manual (POMS) section RS 00615.362 which specifically covers this strategy. I had to visit my local SSA office THREE times before finding someone who understood what I was asking for. The first two representatives insisted it wasn't possible and tried to make me file for both benefits at once. Having the official documentation helped immensely when I finally spoke with a supervisor. Also, make sure your wife emphasizes she wants to "restrict the scope of her application to auxiliary benefits only" - that's the exact language from the POMS that triggers the right process in their system. The strategy really does work exactly as described here, but you may need to be persistent and well-prepared when dealing with SSA staff who aren't familiar with it. Good luck!
Mason Kaczka
I just wanted to update everyone! I called SSA this morning and after being on hold for about 2 hours, I finally spoke with someone who confirmed I'm eligible for survivor benefits! My ex-husband's benefit was significantly higher than mine, so even with the reduction for taking it early, I'll get about $850 more per month than I'm currently receiving. They're processing my application now and said it will take 4-6 weeks. I'm also considering the withdrawal option to maximize my benefits long-term, but I need to think about whether I can afford to repay the three payments I've received so far. Thank you all SO MUCH for your help! I would never have known about this without this community.
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Dominic Green
•That's WONDERFUL news!!! So happy for you! $850 more per month is life-changing money. Congrats!!
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Sophia Russo
•Great news! If you do consider the withdrawal strategy, remember that while it means repaying some benefits now, it could mean tens of thousands more over your lifetime. The math usually strongly favors delaying your own retirement benefit to age 70 if you can afford to do so. Glad you got the information you needed!
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Miguel Ortiz
Congratulations Mason! This is such a great outcome and really shows how important it is for people to know about these benefits. Your story is going to help so many others who might be in similar situations. Just wanted to add for anyone else reading this thread - if you're considering the withdrawal option like Mason mentioned, you might want to run the numbers with a financial advisor or use one of the Social Security calculators online. The decision really depends on your individual financial situation, health, and life expectancy expectations. Also, for future reference for others: if you're approaching 60 and were married 10+ years to someone who has passed away, it's worth talking to SSA about survivor benefits BEFORE you file for your own retirement. The timing strategy can make a huge difference in lifetime benefits. Thanks for sharing your update - it's so encouraging to see someone get the benefits they're entitled to!
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Anastasia Smirnova
•This whole thread has been so educational! As someone new to this community, I'm amazed at how helpful everyone has been. Mason, congratulations on getting this sorted out - $850 extra per month is incredible! I'm not in this situation yet, but my parents are getting close to retirement age and I had no idea about these divorced spouse survivor benefits. My mom was married to my biological father for 12 years before they divorced, and she's been with my stepdad for 20 years now. I'm wondering if she should look into this when the time comes, especially since my biological father made significantly more money. Does anyone know if remarriage affects eligibility? I think I read somewhere that it does, but I'm not sure about the details.
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