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I'm so sorry for your loss, Chloe. This is definitely something you need to address quickly, but don't panic - it's a very common issue that SSA deals with regularly. The payment system isn't connected in real-time to death notifications, so there's always this lag where payments continue briefly after someone passes. Here's what I learned when I went through this with my stepfather: Call SSA as early as possible in the morning (8 AM is ideal) and tell them you need to report an "overpayment due to death" - using those exact words will get you to the right department faster. Have his SSN, exact date of death, and the bank routing/account information ready. They'll likely send a form directly to the bank authorizing the return of the funds. Whatever you do, don't touch that money until you get the all-clear from SSA. The whole process usually takes 1-2 weeks once you make contact. You're doing everything right by being proactive about this. Many people just ignore it and then face bigger headaches later when SSA discovers it during their regular audits.

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Thank you for the condolences and the specific wording suggestion, Oliver. "Overpayment due to death" sounds like exactly the kind of terminology that will help me get transferred to the right person quickly. I really appreciate everyone taking the time to share their experiences - it's made what seemed like a scary bureaucratic nightmare feel much more manageable. I'll definitely call at 8 AM sharp tomorrow with all the information ready. It's good to know that being proactive now will save me from bigger problems down the road.

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I'm so sorry for your loss, Chloe. I went through this exact situation when my uncle passed away in September. The key thing that helped me was calling SSA's automated phone system outside of peak hours - I had success calling around 7 PM on a weekday evening. The automated system can actually handle simple benefit inquiries and death notifications without needing to speak to a live person initially. When you do speak with someone, make sure to ask them to note in your father's file that you've reported the posthumous payment and are awaiting instructions for return. This creates a paper trail showing you were proactive about reporting it, which protects you if there are any delays in the return process. Also, ask the bank to place a hold or note on that specific deposit so it doesn't accidentally get mixed in with other account activity. Most banks are familiar with this situation and can flag SSA deposits separately until they receive return authorization. The whole thing took about 3 weeks for me, but having that documentation helped avoid any complications. You're handling this the right way by addressing it quickly.

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Thank you so much for the tip about calling in the evening, Simon! I hadn't thought about using off-peak hours to get through easier. That's really smart advice about asking them to note everything in my father's file too - creating that paper trail makes a lot of sense for protection. I'll definitely ask the bank to put a hold on that specific deposit when I call them. It sounds like you really thought through all the angles when you dealt with this situation. I feel much better prepared now thanks to everyone's advice here.

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I wanted to share something that really helped me when I went through this process - create a simple checklist of all the documents mentioned here and check them off as you gather them. It sounds basic, but when you're dealing with grief and stress, having that visual confirmation that you have everything can be really reassuring. Also, if you have multiple copies of important documents like the death certificate, bring extras. Sometimes they need to keep originals for their records, and you'll want copies for your own files. One last tip - if you use any medications that might affect your memory or concentration, consider taking your appointment at a time of day when you feel most alert. The information they'll give you is important for your financial future, so you want to be in the best headspace possible to understand and remember it all. You're being so proactive about this - that's going to serve you well!

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A checklist is such a great idea! I've been keeping mental notes but writing everything down would definitely be less stressful. And you're so right about bringing extra copies of important documents - I only ordered one certified copy of the death certificate but I should probably get a few more just to be safe. I really appreciate the tip about timing the appointment when I'm most alert too. I'm definitely a morning person, so I'm glad I scheduled it for 10 AM rather than later in the day. It's amazing how many practical details there are to think about beyond just the paperwork itself. Thank you for all the helpful suggestions!

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One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet - if you have any military service records for your husband (DD-214), bring those too. Military service can sometimes affect Social Security benefits calculations, and they may need to verify his service dates. Also, I'd suggest bringing a copy of your most recent Social Security statement (you can print it from ssa.gov if you have an account) so you can compare your projected benefits with the survivor benefits. This will help you understand which option might be better for you long-term. The representatives are usually very helpful in walking through these comparisons during your appointment. You sound like you're doing everything right to prepare - that thoroughness will definitely pay off!

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That's a great point about military records! My husband did serve in the Navy for four years in the 1980s, and I do have his DD-214 somewhere in our filing cabinet. I hadn't thought about that potentially affecting his Social Security benefits calculation. And downloading my own Social Security statement is brilliant - having those numbers side by side will make it so much easier to understand the comparison. I actually created my ssa.gov account a few months ago but haven't logged in recently. I'll make sure to print that out before Tuesday. Thank you for thinking of these details that I would have completely overlooked!

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Just wanted to share my recent experience since I went through this exact same process last year! I applied online in January at age 67 and received my first payment about 5 weeks later in March (for February benefits). The key things that helped speed up my process: 1) Made sure all my W-2s and tax info was up to date in their system beforehand, 2) Double-checked that my direct deposit info was correct in my mySSA account, and 3) Didn't call unless absolutely necessary since that seemed to slow things down. The online status tracker was actually pretty accurate - it went from "pending" to "approved" about a week before I got my first deposit. Since you're at full retirement age and filed online, you're in a good position for faster processing. Fingers crossed you see that payment sooner rather than later!

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This is really helpful, thank you! I'm glad to hear about your positive experience. I did make sure my tax information was current and double-checked my banking details before submitting, so hopefully that will help. It's reassuring to know that the online status tracker was accurate for you - I'll keep monitoring mine closely. Five weeks sounds much more reasonable than some of the horror stories I was reading about. Thanks for sharing the specific timeline and tips!

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I went through this same process about 6 months ago and wanted to share what helped me get accurate information. While waiting for processing, I found that creating a my Social Security account online (if you don't already have one) was invaluable. Not only can you track your application status there, but you can also see your estimated benefit amount and payment schedule once approved. One thing that caught me off guard was that your first payment date depends on when your application gets fully processed, not just when you applied. So even though you applied in February, if processing takes a few weeks, your first payment might still follow the normal schedule based on your birth date (sounds like that would be the third Wednesday for you). The good news is that once you're in the system, payments are very reliable. I'd recommend checking your online account every few days rather than calling - the phone wait times are brutal and the online info is usually more current anyway.

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I'm glad to see you're getting some solid advice here! As someone who works with international benefit cases, I wanted to add a few practical tips for when the time comes: 1. Make sure your wife keeps her Mexican passport current - she'll need it for identity verification when applying for survivor benefits at the US Embassy. 2. Consider setting up a US bank account that offers good international wire transfer services now, rather than waiting. Some Mexican banks have partnerships with US banks that make transfers easier and cheaper. 3. Keep all your Social Security earnings records organized and accessible. The embassy will need documentation of your work history when processing her application. 4. If she does decide to give up her green card eventually, she should do it formally through USCIS rather than just staying away - this creates a clear paper trail that can actually help with benefit processing later. The totalization agreement really does make this much simpler than it used to be. Your 35+ years of contributions definitely put you in a strong position to provide for her future security.

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This is really comprehensive advice, thank you! I hadn't thought about the banking aspect - setting up those international transfer arrangements ahead of time makes a lot of sense. Do you have any specific recommendations for US banks that work well with Mexican banks for these types of regular transfers? Also, when you mention keeping Social Security earnings records organized, are you talking about the annual statements SSA sends out, or is there other documentation I should be gathering now?

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Great question about banking! For US-Mexico transfers, I've had good experiences with Bank of America and Wells Fargo - they both have partnerships with Mexican banks that reduce transfer fees. BBVA is another option since they operate in both countries. For documentation, yes - keep those annual Social Security statements (Form SSA-1099), but also consider requesting a complete earnings record from SSA using Form SSA-7050-F4. This gives you a year-by-year breakdown of your covered earnings, which can be helpful if there are any discrepancies when your wife applies for benefits. One more tip: if your wife plans to maintain her green card, she should file US tax returns even while living primarily in Mexico. This helps establish her continuing ties to the US and can be useful documentation for both immigration and Social Security purposes. The foreign earned income exclusion can help minimize any US tax liability on her Mexican income. The fact that you're planning this out now really shows you care about her future security - that's wonderful to see!

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This is all such valuable information! I'm new to navigating these cross-border benefit situations, but reading through everyone's experiences has been really enlightening. As someone just starting to think about these issues, I'm curious - is there a particular timeline for when it's best to start this planning process? Should people be setting up these banking relationships and gathering documentation years in advance, or is it something that can be handled closer to retirement age? Also, are there any common mistakes that people make when planning for international survivor benefits that we should be aware of?

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I'm in a somewhat similar boat and wanted to share what I've learned so far. I'm currently receiving early retirement benefits and have a pending SSDI application, though I don't have the workers' comp component that you're dealing with. From what I understand after speaking with several SSA representatives (and getting different answers each time, unfortunately), the key points seem to be: 1. If your SSDI gets approved, you'll receive the higher benefit amount - which would be your full disability benefit rather than your reduced early retirement amount. 2. The workers' comp offset only applies to SSDI, not to regular retirement benefits directly. But since you'd be receiving SSDI instead of early retirement if approved, that's where the offset would hit. 3. The good news is that even with the offset, you'll likely still come out ahead compared to your current reduced early retirement payments. One thing that's been helpful for me is keeping a detailed log of every conversation I have with SSA, including the representative's name, date, and what they told me. The consistency of information has been... let's say "variable." Have you considered reaching out to your local SSA office in person? Sometimes face-to-face conversations can be more productive than the phone calls, especially for complex situations like yours. Good luck with everything - this process is definitely not easy to navigate!

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Thanks for sharing your experience! It's both reassuring and frustrating to hear that you're also getting inconsistent information from different SSA reps. Keeping a log is a really smart idea - I'm going to start doing that too. I hadn't thought about visiting the local office in person, but that's a great suggestion. Phone calls have been such a nightmare with wait times and getting disconnected. Maybe a face-to-face conversation would help me get clearer answers about how the workers' comp offset will actually affect my specific situation. It sounds like even with all the complexity and uncertainty, most people who've been through this process end up financially better off than staying on early retirement. That's encouraging to hear! I just wish the whole system was more straightforward and the representatives were better trained on these complex interactions.

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I've been following this discussion and wanted to add some clarity based on my experience working with Social Security benefits. The interaction between Workers' Comp settlements and Social Security benefits can indeed be confusing, but here's what's important to understand: The Workers' Compensation offset formula uses the higher of: (1) your monthly Social Security benefit amount, or (2) 1/12th of your highest annual earnings in the 5 years before you became disabled. Your combined benefits cannot exceed 80% of this figure. However, there's an important timing consideration: if your Workers' Comp settlement is structured as a lump sum, SSA will typically "prorate" it over the period it was intended to cover. This can significantly affect how the offset is calculated and applied. Also, regarding the conversion from early retirement to SSDI - yes, you would receive your full Primary Insurance Amount (PIA) if approved for SSDI, which is typically higher than reduced early retirement benefits. The key is that this adjustment happens regardless of the Workers' Comp situation. I'd strongly recommend requesting a "benefit estimate" letter from SSA that shows exactly how your benefits would be calculated with the Workers' Comp offset. This will give you concrete numbers to work with for your financial planning. The system is complex, but understanding these key points should help you make more informed decisions about your situation.

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This is incredibly helpful! The explanation about the offset formula using the higher of monthly benefits or 1/12th of highest earnings makes so much more sense now. I hadn't understood that part before. The point about lump sum settlements being "prorated" is really important - my Workers' Comp attorney mentioned something about this but didn't explain it clearly. Do you know if there's any advantage to structuring a settlement as periodic payments versus a lump sum when it comes to the SSA offset calculation? I'm definitely going to request that benefit estimate letter. Having concrete numbers would be such a relief after all this uncertainty. Thank you for breaking down the technical aspects in a way that actually makes sense!

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This is excellent information! I'm the original poster and this explanation about the offset formula is exactly what I needed to understand. The part about lump sum settlements being prorated is particularly interesting - I had no idea that's how SSA handles it. I'm definitely going to request that benefit estimate letter you mentioned. Having actual numbers instead of all this uncertainty would be such a huge relief. Do you know approximately how long it typically takes to receive that kind of detailed calculation from SSA? Also, based on what you've explained about receiving my full PIA if approved for SSDI (versus my current reduced early retirement amount), it sounds like the SSDI approval would likely benefit me financially even with the Workers' Comp offset. That's really encouraging! Thank you so much for taking the time to explain these technical details so clearly. This is the most helpful information I've gotten throughout this entire confusing process.

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